Frank Gilliland wrote:
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Frank Gilliland wrote:

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Lou Franklin wrote in message . ..



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It's really amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on in the 11 meter CB realm......



It's even more amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on under Part 15 rules (especially the 1750 meter
band), and below 9 kHz where the FCC has no control.





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do you consider those operators under 9 khz freebanders?



Interesting thought..... but yes, I think the term describes them
better than it does illegal operators on 11 meters. The latter would
be more accurately called 'freeloaders'.



opportunists may be a better phrase.



I disagree. Ham radio offers much greater opportunities for the radio
enthusiast than the small, uncontrolled slice of the spectrum around
11m.

like i said, opportunists.

The only things it demands in return are that you memorize a few
technical questions, then pay a fee that will set you back about as
much as a happy meal. That seems to be too much of a sacrifice for
some people, but I don't think a true opportunist would pass it up.



why would anyone want to pay a fee to talk?


hypothetically speaking, if all u.s.
'freebanders' were to cease xmitting why would other operators in
foreign countries follow suit? they wouldn't of course.




Your point being..... what?


you post your distaste for 11m freeebanding while its a fcc decree that
claims its illegal. other countries could give a damn. this ng is an
international forum.
if it is illegal to xmit below 9khz why are posting it here instead of a
hammie ng where the spectrum is closer?





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In , jim
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim
wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

In , jim
wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:


In ,
(Dan) wrote:




Lou Franklin wrote in message . ..



We've recently added an updated technical article on broadbanding.
Learn all the tricks the pros use to get those modified older CBs to
tune the expanded range you want! Get your FREE copy of "SECRETS OF
BROADBANDING" at:

It's really amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on in the 11 meter CB realm......



It's even more amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on under Part 15 rules (especially the 1750 meter
band), and below 9 kHz where the FCC has no control.





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do you consider those operators under 9 khz freebanders?



Interesting thought..... but yes, I think the term describes them
better than it does illegal operators on 11 meters. The latter would
be more accurately called 'freeloaders'.



opportunists may be a better phrase.



I disagree. Ham radio offers much greater opportunities for the radio
enthusiast than the small, uncontrolled slice of the spectrum around
11m.

like i said, opportunists.

The only things it demands in return are that you memorize a few
technical questions, then pay a fee that will set you back about as
much as a happy meal. That seems to be too much of a sacrifice for
some people, but I don't think a true opportunist would pass it up.



why would anyone want to pay a fee to talk?


Oh, maybe for the same reason they would want to pay their phone bill.



hypothetically speaking, if all u.s.
'freebanders' were to cease xmitting why would other operators in
foreign countries follow suit? they wouldn't of course.




Your point being..... what?


you post your distaste for 11m freeebanding while its a fcc decree that
claims its illegal. other countries could give a damn.


Neither does the FCC, but then why did so many countries sign the ITU
treaty? Because they don't give a damn?


this ng is an
international forum.


This newsgroup has no charter, so the scope is defined by the title:
rec.radio.CB. It is therefore a forum for any country that has a
Citizen's Band. But also notice that each country's Citizen's Band is
defined by law.


if it is illegal to xmit below 9khz why are posting it here instead of a
hammie ng where the spectrum is closer?


But it is -not- illegal to transmit below 9kHz. It is not defined as a
Citizen's Band, but it -is- radio spectrum that can be legally used
without a license just like any of the other Citizen's Bands, and as
such it is much more closely associated with the title and scope of
this group than the so-called 'freeband'.





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Frank Gilliland wrote:
In , jim
wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:

In , jim
wrote:



Frank Gilliland wrote:


In , jim
wrote:




Frank Gilliland wrote:



In ,
(Dan) wrote:





Lou Franklin wrote in message . ..




We've recently added an updated technical article on broadbanding.
Learn all the tricks the pros use to get those modified older CBs to
tune the expanded range you want! Get your FREE copy of "SECRETS OF
BROADBANDING" at:

It's really amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on in the 11 meter CB realm......



It's even more amazing how a lot of amateur radio experimentation is
actually going on under Part 15 rules (especially the 1750 meter
band), and below 9 kHz where the FCC has no control.





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do you consider those operators under 9 khz freebanders?



Interesting thought..... but yes, I think the term describes them
better than it does illegal operators on 11 meters. The latter would
be more accurately called 'freeloaders'.



opportunists may be a better phrase.



I disagree. Ham radio offers much greater opportunities for the radio
enthusiast than the small, uncontrolled slice of the spectrum around
11m.

like i said, opportunists.

The only things it demands in return are that you memorize a few

technical questions, then pay a fee that will set you back about as
much as a happy meal. That seems to be too much of a sacrifice for
some people, but I don't think a true opportunist would pass it up.



why would anyone want to pay a fee to talk?



Oh, maybe for the same reason they would want to pay their phone bill.


in radio there should be no need to pay for service.


hypothetically speaking, if all u.s.
'freebanders' were to cease xmitting why would other operators in
foreign countries follow suit? they wouldn't of course.




Your point being..... what?


you post your distaste for 11m freeebanding while its a fcc decree that
claims its illegal. other countries could give a damn.



Neither does the FCC, but then why did so many countries sign the ITU
treaty? Because they don't give a damn?

the citizens dont. been a freeband listener lately?



this ng is an
international forum.



This newsgroup has no charter, so the scope is defined by the title:
rec.radio.CB. It is therefore a forum for any country that has a
Citizen's Band. But also notice that each country's Citizen's Band is
defined by law.

and each country has a different use for the spectrum.




if it is illegal to xmit below 9khz why are posting it here instead of a
hammie ng where the spectrum is closer?



But it is -not- illegal to transmit below 9kHz. It is not defined as a
Citizen's Band, but it -is- radio spectrum that can be legally used
without a license just like any of the other Citizen's Bands, and as
such it is much more closely associated with the title and scope of
this group than the so-called 'freeband'.

what other citizen bands are you talking about? you are equating 9khz
with the 40. isn't that a stretch?
where did you find this info about below 9 khz? no knocks just curious.






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why would anyone want to pay a fee to talk?



Oh, maybe for the same reason they would want to pay their phone bill.


in radio there should be no need to pay for service.


So radio should be free? Cell-phones wouldn't exist if you didn't pay
the bill. But maybe I should mention your opinion to our station
manager next time I see him -- maybe he will side with you and take
off all the commercials. Of course nobody at the station would get
paid, but hey, it should be free anyway, right?


snip
you post your distaste for 11m freeebanding while its a fcc decree that
claims its illegal. other countries could give a damn.



Neither does the FCC, but then why did so many countries sign the ITU
treaty? Because they don't give a damn?

the citizens dont. been a freeband listener lately?


The citizen's want their fire and police departments to work, don't
they? They want their cell-phones and garage-door openers and Rush
Limbaugh, right? Well if there are no laws regulating the use of the
airwaves all would be chaos and none of that would exist. And if the
FCC continues to lose control of the spectrum, it threatens all the
benefits that the citizen's want from the radio services. So yes, the
citizen's -do- give a damn.


this ng is an
international forum.



This newsgroup has no charter, so the scope is defined by the title:
rec.radio.CB. It is therefore a forum for any country that has a
Citizen's Band. But also notice that each country's Citizen's Band is
defined by law.

and each country has a different use for the spectrum.


Within the limits of the ITU treaty.


if it is illegal to xmit below 9khz why are posting it here instead of a
hammie ng where the spectrum is closer?



But it is -not- illegal to transmit below 9kHz. It is not defined as a
Citizen's Band, but it -is- radio spectrum that can be legally used
without a license just like any of the other Citizen's Bands, and as
such it is much more closely associated with the title and scope of
this group than the so-called 'freeband'.

what other citizen bands are you talking about?


========
Sec. 95.401 (CB Rule 1) What are the Citizens Band Radio Services?

The Citizens Band Radio Services a
(a) The Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service.......
(b) The Family Radio Service (FRS).......
(c) The Low Power Radio Service (LPRS.......
(d) The Medical Implant Communications Service (MICS).......
(e) The Wireless Medical Telemetry Service (WMTS).......
(f) The Multi-Use Radio Service (MURS).......
========


you are equating 9khz
with the 40. isn't that a stretch?


No, because I am not equating 9kHz with "the 40". I am equating it to
the common denominator of all the CB radio services -- license-free
use of certain parts of the radio spectrum.


where did you find this info about below 9 khz? no knocks just curious.


Just about everywhere in Title 47 of the United States Code, but for
easy reference try these: 2.106, 15.3, 15.33 and 15.209. The FCC
controls (or rather, attempts to give the appearance that it controls)
radio from 9 kHz and up. Anything below that is totally unregulated.
No licenses, no power limits, no mode restrictions (save harmonics
above 9 kHz), no nothing. It's RF wilderness, not even a local sherrif
or circuit judge. Perfect place for 'opportunists' to roam.





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