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(I Am Not George) wrote:
Steveo wrote: (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. Or send mail to your house........ Dave there it is from the horses mouth, steve is openly harasing and threatening to harass hams in this NG he is like a child, if he doesnt get his way he will have a tantrum. What are you babbling about now, you drunken fool? I want to send -YOU- some mail. That's not harassment, dumbass. I dont want you're mail so dont send it. anything recieved will be used against you in a legal proceding. SO.......YOU ARE WA3MOJ GEORGE BUSCH OF DEVON CIR. You finally have admitted it, you ****ing liar!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- I won't retire, but I might retread. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:52:46 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: So what you are saying, in essence, is that people are well aware of the rules. If they choose to break them they will do so at their own risk. Yes Efforts to enforce the rules are a waste of time, since it will not stem the tide of irresponsible behavior. Is that about right? No. It is the job of the duly appointed Officer (Sheriff, constable, Highway Patrolman, Trooper) to enforce the laws, not me. Right, but it's the responsibility of every citizen to apply the social equivalent of peer pressure to those who refuse to "tow the line". This form of intimidation was widely employed in days long gone, but has largely been abandoned in this age of indifference. Dave, peer pressure might work among friends, but complete strangers couldn't give a rats ass. Do you think that this may be a part of the problem with society these days? No. I believe the problems lays in the up bring and teachings from Family & Friends in most cases. I would agree, and add that upbringing doesn't end at age 18. If no one is willing to support the laws, and instead place that job fully on the shoulders of LEO, is it any surprise that there are so many people willing to ignore those same laws? I think you should support the job that Law enforcement is doing, but that does not mean chasing down speeders and people that do break minor laws. People need to be made aware that "minor laws" are not always as "minor" as they may think. Many people believed that crimes such as cable TV theft of service were "minor" because what was being stolen was not physically tangible. But when the lost revenue for the cable companies were added to the picture, it's not such a "victimless" crime. Speeding, on the surface, does not seem to be a big deal either. But consider what can happen when there is a traffic mishap. Speed lessens reaction time, and increases the potential for damage and injury. Most laws were not created to ruin people's fun. They were created to protect society as a collective whole. There would be no reason for me to go chasing after a speeder and pull along side of him and start to berate him on how he was speeding. It would just **** him off and maybe create an even worse situation, road rage. Maybe so, but if people routinely did this, there would be a lot less people speeding, and the cops would have an easier job. Sorry, I'll disagree. Each to their own opinion Any cop will tell you not to confront a law breaker, call them and let them know, that is their job. Throw a ball in front of a speeding car, make him swerve, possibly crash, injure himself or someone other, you will be the law breaker, not the speeder. That would not be a good idea. But leaving a little "note" on the offender's car every time it happens, including the forwarding of their license number to the cops, might make someone think a little. To get a ticket, an officer must see the offence happen, just telling him that Jimmie was speeding won't do anything. Maybe if we all lived in Mayberry RFD something might happen, but not in this day & age. As a parent, I have become very conscious of people speeding through residential neighborhoods. I would hate to have my kid or an neighbor's kid fall victim to someone who's ignoring a "nuisance" law. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Do we, as American citizens, not have a responsibility to stand up for what is right? Do we have a responsibility to instill the need to be more law abiding? Yes, but as for "enforcement" of most laws, that is the responsibility of the Police, not average Joe on the street. The police are given the jurisdiction to make arrests and levy fines. But we all share the responsibility to make it known that we will not stand by and allow these things to go on. By doing nothing, you are giving your passive condonation, which further re-enforced the attitude that breaking the law is "ok". Here's where we part company Dave....... I AM NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER! I will report it to the local authorities, hope that they handle it accordingly, that is the reason I pay taxes. Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. What event(s) took place that made it seem more "cool" to be a law breaking rebel, rather than someone who obeys the rules? Don't know, again up bringing, but look at it this way, if there were no traffic fines, cities, counties etc etc would be broke. A capitalist solution to a social problem. Turn the problem into a windfall. Maybe if the fines were raised sufficiently, people might be less inclined to take the risk. When did social responsibility give way to social indifference? Oh, mid 70's I would think. I would agree. I'm still waiting for the pendulum to swing back. Dave "Sandbagger" Landshark -- Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. |
On 12 May 2004 19:10:22 GMT, Steveo
wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. It's never too late to reform. I've readily admitted that I was one of the "bad boys" to some degree, back in my younger and somewhat socially irresponsible days. I was a product of the 60's and 70's, and it took a little time and maturity to finally put things into their proper perspective. I still enjoy talking about the technical aspects of radio, including things which operationally are illegal on CB, but interesting from an experimenter's standpoint. And my statement still stands. If you believe in something, you need to fight for it. Otherwise, you have no right to complain when things are not the way you like them. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:43:39 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:52:46 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: So what you are saying, in essence, is that people are well aware of the rules. If they choose to break them they will do so at their own risk. Yes Efforts to enforce the rules are a waste of time, since it will not stem the tide of irresponsible behavior. Is that about right? No. It is the job of the duly appointed Officer (Sheriff, constable, Highway Patrolman, Trooper) to enforce the laws, not me. Right, but it's the responsibility of every citizen to apply the social equivalent of peer pressure to those who refuse to "tow the line". This form of intimidation was widely employed in days long gone, but has largely been abandoned in this age of indifference. Dave, peer pressure might work among friends, but complete strangers couldn't give a rats ass. You'd be surprised at just how many people's habits are influenced by the habits of other, complete strangers. Take a look at some of the ridiculous fashion trends over the years, which have nonetheless become popular, for the most obvious evidence of this peer influence. People need to be made aware that "minor laws" are not always as "minor" as they may think. Many people believed that crimes such as cable TV theft of service were "minor" because what was being stolen was not physically tangible. But when the lost revenue for the cable companies were added to the picture, it's not such a "victimless" crime. Speeding, on the surface, does not seem to be a big deal either. But consider what can happen when there is a traffic mishap. Speed lessens reaction time, and increases the potential for damage and injury. Most laws were not created to ruin people's fun. They were created to protect society as a collective whole. There would be no reason for me to go chasing after a speeder and pull along side of him and start to berate him on how he was speeding. It would just **** him off and maybe create an even worse situation, road rage. Maybe so, but if people routinely did this, there would be a lot less people speeding, and the cops would have an easier job. Sorry, I'll disagree. Each to their own opinion Ok, you have the right to disagree. Since you do not agree with my idea of active community involvement in awareness of laws, then what would you suggest that we, as a society, do to stem the rising tide of indifference to laws? Any cop will tell you not to confront a law breaker, call them and let them know, that is their job. Throw a ball in front of a speeding car, make him swerve, possibly crash, injure himself or someone other, you will be the law breaker, not the speeder. That would not be a good idea. But leaving a little "note" on the offender's car every time it happens, including the forwarding of their license number to the cops, might make someone think a little. To get a ticket, an officer must see the offence happen, just telling him that Jimmie was speeding won't do anything. Maybe if we all lived in Mayberry RFD something might happen, but not in this day & age. Maybe that needs to change to some degree. You're right of course, and that knowledge just enables lawbreakers. Perhaps if people could be cited without a LEO physically witnessing the offense, the problem would diminish. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. As a parent, I have become very conscious of people speeding through residential neighborhoods. I would hate to have my kid or an neighbor's kid fall victim to someone who's ignoring a "nuisance" law. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). On the other hand, I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise. Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence. Do we, as American citizens, not have a responsibility to stand up for what is right? Do we have a responsibility to instill the need to be more law abiding? Yes, but as for "enforcement" of most laws, that is the responsibility of the Police, not average Joe on the street. The police are given the jurisdiction to make arrests and levy fines. But we all share the responsibility to make it known that we will not stand by and allow these things to go on. By doing nothing, you are giving your passive condonation, which further re-enforced the attitude that breaking the law is "ok". Here's where we part company Dave....... I AM NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER! I will report it to the local authorities, hope that they handle it accordingly, that is the reason I pay taxes. We're not really parting company. I'm not advocating that you play cop. But reporting the issue repeatedly WILL get the attention of the LEO's, and the problem will get some attention. If nobody takes the responsibility to make those reports, the cops will think that all's well in happytown. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On 12 May 2004 12:42:14 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote: Steveo wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. If he wants to drive all the way to my house, I'll at least have the courtesy to buy him a beer and ask him why he's so angry..... Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On 12 May 2004 12:56:54 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote: Steveo wrote: (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. Or send mail to your house........ Dave there it is from the horses mouth, steve is openly harasing and threatening to harass hams in this NG he is like a child, if he doesnt get his way he will have a tantrum. He has no regard for laws, restraining orders, using the us mail for threats, etc. so be advised. If you are truly not who he thinks you are, then why worry if he sends mail? It will end up in the wrong place. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
Dave Hall wrote:
On 12 May 2004 12:42:14 -0700, (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. If he wants to drive all the way to my house, I'll at least have the courtesy to buy him a beer and ask him why he's so angry..... While the beer sounds good Dave, please pay no attention to our resident **** stir. I've done nothing that wasn't asked for by the two people whom I visited. -- I won't retire, but I might retread. |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... FlavaFlav wrote: leland never said he was gonna key your car assflap. liar More lies. I won't retire, but I might retread. Hey dude, The history Channel had a show on muscle cars of the 60's and early seventies last night. Man, was that cool. All the cars with commercials from that era and designers & engineers giving commentary. Landshark -- Treat people as if they were what they ought to be and you will help them become what they are capable of becoming. |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 03:43:39 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:52:46 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: So what you are saying, in essence, is that people are well aware of the rules. If they choose to break them they will do so at their own risk. Yes Efforts to enforce the rules are a waste of time, since it will not stem the tide of irresponsible behavior. Is that about right? No. It is the job of the duly appointed Officer (Sheriff, constable, Highway Patrolman, Trooper) to enforce the laws, not me. Right, but it's the responsibility of every citizen to apply the social equivalent of peer pressure to those who refuse to "tow the line". This form of intimidation was widely employed in days long gone, but has largely been abandoned in this age of indifference. Dave, peer pressure might work among friends, but complete strangers couldn't give a rats ass. You'd be surprised at just how many people's habits are influenced by the habits of other, complete strangers. Take a look at some of the ridiculous fashion trends over the years, which have nonetheless become popular, for the most obvious evidence of this peer influence. People need to be made aware that "minor laws" are not always as "minor" as they may think. Many people believed that crimes such as cable TV theft of service were "minor" because what was being stolen was not physically tangible. But when the lost revenue for the cable companies were added to the picture, it's not such a "victimless" crime. Speeding, on the surface, does not seem to be a big deal either. But consider what can happen when there is a traffic mishap. Speed lessens reaction time, and increases the potential for damage and injury. Most laws were not created to ruin people's fun. They were created to protect society as a collective whole. There would be no reason for me to go chasing after a speeder and pull along side of him and start to berate him on how he was speeding. It would just **** him off and maybe create an even worse situation, road rage. Maybe so, but if people routinely did this, there would be a lot less people speeding, and the cops would have an easier job. Sorry, I'll disagree. Each to their own opinion Ok, you have the right to disagree. Since you do not agree with my idea of active community involvement in awareness of laws, then what would you suggest that we, as a society, do to stem the rising tide of indifference to laws? There's a difference with "community" involvement and State involvement. While I might say something to someone in my town, I will not bother with some guy on the highway, that would never see me again in a million years. Any cop will tell you not to confront a law breaker, call them and let them know, that is their job. Throw a ball in front of a speeding car, make him swerve, possibly crash, injure himself or someone other, you will be the law breaker, not the speeder. That would not be a good idea. But leaving a little "note" on the offender's car every time it happens, including the forwarding of their license number to the cops, might make someone think a little. To get a ticket, an officer must see the offence happen, just telling him that Jimmie was speeding won't do anything. Maybe if we all lived in Mayberry RFD something might happen, but not in this day & age. Maybe that needs to change to some degree. You're right of course, and that knowledge just enables lawbreakers. Perhaps if people could be cited without a LEO physically witnessing the offense, the problem would diminish. Never happen, due process of the law. We are not deputized by the local government to enforce the law. Also, same issue as with enforcing FCC rules by local law, we would have to go through many hour or training, do you have the time? I don't raising two kids working 9+ hours a day. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers, the courts ordered them to stop. As a parent, I have become very conscious of people speeding through residential neighborhoods. I would hate to have my kid or an neighbor's kid fall victim to someone who's ignoring a "nuisance" law. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a civil thread to an abusive thread. I am a little that way, as for around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit, but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH over the speed limit. On the other hand, I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise. Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence. That's correct, petitions, 80% of residents, they still didn't care. Yes, it usually takes a fatality for locals to install stops signs, speed enforcement etc etc in the state of California. You usually can not hold a California politician accountably unless they show gross disregard or criminal activity. Do we, as American citizens, not have a responsibility to stand up for what is right? Do we have a responsibility to instill the need to be more law abiding? Yes, but as for "enforcement" of most laws, that is the responsibility of the Police, not average Joe on the street. The police are given the jurisdiction to make arrests and levy fines. But we all share the responsibility to make it known that we will not stand by and allow these things to go on. By doing nothing, you are giving your passive condonation, which further re-enforced the attitude that breaking the law is "ok". Here's where we part company Dave....... I AM NOT A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER! I will report it to the local authorities, hope that they handle it accordingly, that is the reason I pay taxes. We're not really parting company. I'm not advocating that you play cop. But reporting the issue repeatedly WILL get the attention of the LEO's, and the problem will get some attention. If nobody takes the responsibility to make those reports, the cops will think that all's well in happytown. Dave "Sandbagger" Landshark -- Most true happiness comes from one's inner life, from the disposition of the mind and soul. Admittedly, a good inner life is hard to achieve, especially in these trying times. It takes reflection and contemplation and self-discipline. |
"Landshark" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message ... FlavaFlav wrote: leland never said he was gonna key your car assflap. liar More lies. I won't retire, but I might retread. Hey dude, The history Channel had a show on muscle cars of the 60's and early seventies last night. Man, was that cool. All the cars with commercials from that era and designers & engineers giving commentary. Landshark That must have been cool..I watched a show about the Spirit of America, the jet powered land speed record holder from the sixties. Fun stuff. -- I won't retire, but I might retread. |
Dave Hall wrote:
On 12 May 2004 12:56:54 -0700, (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: (I Am Not George) wrote: Steveo wrote: Dave Hall wrote: Like in the case of illegal CB use, it may seem that the guys advocating legal operation are grossly outnumbered, but to ignore it, is giving your acceptance of it. Hypocrite. Dave Hall wrote: Granted this turns a 800 watt peak amp into a 200 watt amp (Doesn't sound so glamourous), but for my type of operating, this works the best. Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. Or send mail to your house........ Dave there it is from the horses mouth, steve is openly harasing and threatening to harass hams in this NG he is like a child, if he doesnt get his way he will have a tantrum. He has no regard for laws, restraining orders, using the us mail for threats, etc. so be advised. If you are truly not who he thinks you are, then why worry if he sends mail? It will end up in the wrong place. There is the problem for geo, it is him. "You don't know the **** storm you just brought upon yourself and other users of this forum..." --george busch -- I won't retire, but I might retread. |
NNTP-Posting-Date: =A0=A0 Wed, May 12, 2004, 1:35pm (EDT-1) From: =A0=A0
Dave Hall Group: =A0=A0 rec.radio.cb Subject: =A0=A0 Peaked and Tuned Date: =A0=A0 Wed, May 12, 2004, 2:35pm Organization: =A0=A0 home.ptd.net/~n3cvj X-Trace: =A0=A0 sv3-hKhHBR7qn180T5Bu3dyEhmANPbUn5PvEOKrb7INWIBH9cpHchV 8p0Wejccc8rzdf5C88HZ= Kdr9x6WrI!WlAbAVORPVohISeW6X0kKlZH+WhSYWjkUnA55eUJ 8TaQON6i/c4yK+MxxdSkePGx= m8wY1xkVYq6R!8fNyTIrBRHg=3D X-Complaints-To: =A0=A0 X-DMCA-Complaints-To: =A0=A0 X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: =A0=A0 Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: =A0=A0 Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: =A0=A0 1.1 On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:53:28 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: From: (Dave=A0Hall) On Tue, 11 May 2004 13:51:09 -0400, When have I EVER done that? YOU are the one who sees fit to paste it in, when it suits you. I deliberately do not bring my ham status into this group as a rule, since it is not relevant. The fact that my call is part of my email address is incidental, not deliberate. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj _ Oh? Someone ELSE made your email for you, making it "incidental" (definition: "Happening or likely to happen in an UNPLANNED conjunction")? _ Sigh. I should have known I'd have to explain it to you in the same manner that I have to use when explaining things to my 4 year old. _ Your 4 year old has been that age for years. Why is that child not aging, Davie? Ah..never mind. _ My 4 year old has been a 4 year old since January. Before that, she was a three year old. _ I said never mind, but you have exhibited an uncanny penchant for invoking your child into this newsgroup on many occasion, but such is to be expected from fathers who are separated from their child and only permitted supervised visits. Your pain manifests in the strangest of places, such as this group, but really, it isn't relevant, except to illustrate you couldn't even maintain a successful relationship with the mother of your child, let alone anyone else. _ *I* made up my email address. But its inclusion in any headers is not a deliberate act on my part. _ No one mentioned headers, Davie, except you. Let's look at what you said again. _ No, let's keep what you said in context. _ LOL..of course you would say NO to looking at what you said, it presents your idiocy and self-contradictions. _ You said: =A0 =A0"Same reason you feel it pertinent to present your hammie call in a CB ng. _ Which to anyone with normal comprehensive skills, would mean that I deliberately sign my messages with it or otherwise include the fact within the message body. _ Which has nothing to do with headers you are s-t-r-e-t-c-h-i-n-g to invoke, Davie-son, just like I maintained and you refused to acknowledge. _ Since you once again ran your fingers before you had your brain fully engaged, you made that erroneous accusation, and are now backpeddling. _ The back pedal is all yours. To "peddle", is to sell your wares, Davie-son. but since you again ran your mouth and fingers before you had your brain engaged, you made that erroneous statement and are now being force-fed the correction. _ I am hardly "flaunting" my ham status. _ No one accused you of doing such. You're way too paranoid. _ You did, see above. _ I did no such thing. I claimed you brought your call sign to this group after you claimed you did not. Anyone with normal cognitive comprehension skills that do not suffer such massive communication deficits sees that you most certianly did bring your call here. To wit: _ The fact that my call is part of my email address is incidental, not deliberate. _ Again,,the call is most certainly deliberate and NOT incidental. Sit down and take a rest, as your are quite dizzy from all that spinning you attempt. _ You will not see me signing it in the message body of any message posted on this group. _ Never claimed such,,,,merely claimed that you indeed brought your call to the group, and you did. Now you're angry once again because I illustrated your goofy lies and you resorted to what you always do when caught in lies,,,,,insults. You're a lowlife, davie-son. _ You need to dig some more. The only thing you're coming up with are dirty hands. _ No need to dig. One merely needs to watch your posts full of contradictions and lies. _ I made no such contradictions. Conversely, you make many accusations which, when confronted with them, resort to obfuscation and spin followed by the inevitable backpeddle. Like your lie concerning the Phelps, or the cber in "suburban" philthadelphia (which you demonstrated you have no clue what constitutes a "suburbia" of a town or city) that you claimed was convicted, except no record exists. Indidentally (hyuk), those "dirty hands" only come from handling you and dragging you across the coals with your own lies. _ You are the only one who lies here. And you're not even dead yet..... _ Sucks for you and Lelnad,,,,LOL..the both of you scumbag lids harass cbers for behavior you both engaged,,I merely point such things out and watch you go to pieces, insult, and cry about off-topics. _ Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj _ "The fact that my call is part of my email address is incidental, not deliberate" N3CVJ - Dave "Hypocrite" Hall |
dave the "hypocrite" Hall, N3CVJ ignorantly professed:
Ok, you have the right to disagree. Since you do not agree with my idea of active community involvement in awareness of laws, then what would you suggest that we, as a society, do to stem the rising tide of indifference to laws? The Bush administration released just this week domestic crime has decreased steadily over the last three years. Stop lying to try and bolster your psychotic analogies related to a cb newsgroup. You're all washed up here, hypocrite. Stop trying so hard to gain acceptance. You ruined yourself and your hammie reputation long ago with your lies. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: Right, but it's the responsibility of every citizen to apply the social equivalent of peer pressure to those who refuse to "tow the line". This form of intimidation was widely employed in days long gone, but has largely been abandoned in this age of indifference. Dave, peer pressure might work among friends, but complete strangers couldn't give a rats ass. You'd be surprised at just how many people's habits are influenced by the habits of other, complete strangers. Take a look at some of the ridiculous fashion trends over the years, which have nonetheless become popular, for the most obvious evidence of this peer influence. People need to be made aware that "minor laws" are not always as "minor" as they may think. Many people believed that crimes such as cable TV theft of service were "minor" because what was being stolen was not physically tangible. But when the lost revenue for the cable companies were added to the picture, it's not such a "victimless" crime. Speeding, on the surface, does not seem to be a big deal either. But consider what can happen when there is a traffic mishap. Speed lessens reaction time, and increases the potential for damage and injury. Most laws were not created to ruin people's fun. They were created to protect society as a collective whole. There would be no reason for me to go chasing after a speeder and pull along side of him and start to berate him on how he was speeding. It would just **** him off and maybe create an even worse situation, road rage. Maybe so, but if people routinely did this, there would be a lot less people speeding, and the cops would have an easier job. Sorry, I'll disagree. Each to their own opinion Ok, you have the right to disagree. Since you do not agree with my idea of active community involvement in awareness of laws, then what would you suggest that we, as a society, do to stem the rising tide of indifference to laws? There's a difference with "community" involvement and State involvement. While I might say something to someone in my town, I will not bother with some guy on the highway, that would never see me again in a million years. So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on CB radio did? Any cop will tell you not to confront a law breaker, call them and let them know, that is their job. Throw a ball in front of a speeding car, make him swerve, possibly crash, injure himself or someone other, you will be the law breaker, not the speeder. That would not be a good idea. But leaving a little "note" on the offender's car every time it happens, including the forwarding of their license number to the cops, might make someone think a little. To get a ticket, an officer must see the offence happen, just telling him that Jimmie was speeding won't do anything. Maybe if we all lived in Mayberry RFD something might happen, but not in this day & age. Maybe that needs to change to some degree. You're right of course, and that knowledge just enables lawbreakers. Perhaps if people could be cited without a LEO physically witnessing the offense, the problem would diminish. Never happen, due process of the law. We are not deputized by the local government to enforce the law. Also, same issue as with enforcing FCC rules by local law, we would have to go through many hour or training, do you have the time? I don't raising two kids working 9+ hours a day. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers, the courts ordered them to stop. There's a difference between a rental car agency and a provision in the law. If the law were changed, it would be allowed. Your testimony only proves that the technology is viable. As a parent, I have become very conscious of people speeding through residential neighborhoods. I would hate to have my kid or an neighbor's kid fall victim to someone who's ignoring a "nuisance" law. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a civil thread to an abusive thread. Not really. I don't lambast people directly, only their ideas. I am a little that way, as for around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit, but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH over the speed limit. Same thing here. I never speed in a residential area. I may push it to 60 or 62 MPH on the highway, since they can't cite you in Pa, until you exceed 5 MPH over the limit. On the other hand, I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise. Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence. That's correct, petitions, 80% of residents, they still didn't care. Yes, it usually takes a fatality for locals to install stops signs, speed enforcement etc etc in the state of California. You usually can not hold a California politician accountably unless they show gross disregard or criminal activity. Those petitions and other actions that you take can be admitted as evidence. Their lack of response can then be interpreted as "gross negligence". Most juries would be more inclined to side with the dead kid's parents than a do-nothing politician. Maybe if a few cases set precedent, other local politicians will sit up and take notice. Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: "Steveo" wrote in message ... FlavaFlav wrote: leland never said he was gonna key your car assflap. liar More lies. I won't retire, but I might retread. Hey dude, The history Channel had a show on muscle cars of the 60's and early seventies last night. Man, was that cool. All the cars with commercials from that era and designers & engineers giving commentary. I saw it (or one similar) some time back. It was a great series. Brings back memories of a time when you could order a car right out of the factory with choice of engine, whether you wanted dual carbs, choice of rear, choice of exhaust, etc. And best of all, it could be had for under $3000. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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Dave Hall wrote: On 12 May 2004 12:42:14 -0700, (I Am Not George) wrote: Watch out Dave, if you disagree with this guy he will have a tantrum and drive to you're house and leave notes or take pictures, rotflmao. If he wants to drive all the way to my house, I'll at least have the courtesy to buy him a beer and ask him why he's so angry..... While the beer sounds good Dave, please pay no attention to our resident **** stir. I've done nothing that wasn't asked for by the two people whom I visited. you fool they did not ask you to take pictures of there houses and post them on the internet. Doug or Leland saying "come over any time" does not give you permission to behave in a harassing manner, make threats, take photos, etc. |
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FlavaFlav wrote: Steveo wrote in news:20040513080931.545$n7 @newsreader.com: While the beer sounds good Dave, please pay no attention to our resident **** stir. I've done nothing that wasn't asked for by the two people whom I visited. Dave pay no attention to our rersident psycho. The peoples houses he visits have done nothing to ask for the resident rambo to visit them. Heh, dogie has invited me repeatedly..notice the subject header from this invitation, punk. Judge: The charge is assault, we have witnesses that saw you in the act. Steveo: Your honor the victim asked me to his house Judge: Oh I see, case dismissed Steveo: ha ha I knew I could get away with it Judge: I was being sarcastic you idiot. Bayliff take him to county jail, 90 days for assault. |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: There's a difference with "community" involvement and State involvement. While I might say something to someone in my town, I will not bother with some guy on the highway, that would never see me again in a million years. So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on CB radio did? There's not much you can do about society as a whole. You can only make your part of society the best you can. Raise the children with good values and to respect their elders. I can not see the regress of CB as the eminent downfall of society. Any cop will tell you not to confront a law breaker, call them and let them know, that is their job. Throw a ball in front of a speeding car, make him swerve, possibly crash, injure himself or someone other, you will be the law breaker, not the speeder. That would not be a good idea. But leaving a little "note" on the offender's car every time it happens, including the forwarding of their license number to the cops, might make someone think a little. To get a ticket, an officer must see the offence happen, just telling him that Jimmie was speeding won't do anything. Maybe if we all lived in Mayberry RFD something might happen, but not in this day & age. Maybe that needs to change to some degree. You're right of course, and that knowledge just enables lawbreakers. Perhaps if people could be cited without a LEO physically witnessing the offense, the problem would diminish. Never happen, due process of the law. We are not deputized by the local government to enforce the law. Also, same issue as with enforcing FCC rules by local law, we would have to go through many hour or training, do you have the time? I don't raising two kids working 9+ hours a day. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers, the courts ordered them to stop. There's a difference between a rental car agency and a provision in the law. If the law were changed, it would be allowed. Your testimony only proves that the technology is viable. Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least probably not in our lifetime. As for the rental car agency, they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then threw the cases out of court. As a parent, I have become very conscious of people speeding through residential neighborhoods. I would hate to have my kid or an neighbor's kid fall victim to someone who's ignoring a "nuisance" law. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a civil thread to an abusive thread. Not really. I don't lambast people directly, only their ideas. I am a little that way, as for around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit, but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH over the speed limit. Same thing here. I never speed in a residential area. I may push it to 60 or 62 MPH on the highway, since they can't cite you in Pa, until you exceed 5 MPH over the limit. Speed limit in this state on the highways and freeways is between 55 & 75 MPH. On the other hand, I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise. Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence. That's correct, petitions, 80% of residents, they still didn't care. Yes, it usually takes a fatality for locals to install stops signs, speed enforcement etc etc in the state of California. You usually can not hold a California politician accountably unless they show gross disregard or criminal activity. Those petitions and other actions that you take can be admitted as evidence. Their lack of response can then be interpreted as "gross negligence". Most juries would be more inclined to side with the dead kid's parents than a do-nothing politician. Again, good luck trying in this state. I'm sure there is some sort of immunity laws that protect the *******s. Maybe if a few cases set precedent, other local politicians will sit up and take notice. Doubtful, look at the how we had to spend billions to get rid of a governor, that took a surplus of billions of dollars and made it a deficit of billions of dollars in only a couple of years. Dave "Sandbagger" Landshark -- The world is good-natured to people who are good natured. |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: "Steveo" wrote in message ... FlavaFlav wrote: leland never said he was gonna key your car assflap. liar More lies. I won't retire, but I might retread. Hey dude, The history Channel had a show on muscle cars of the 60's and early seventies last night. Man, was that cool. All the cars with commercials from that era and designers & engineers giving commentary. I saw it (or one similar) some time back. It was a great series. Brings back memories of a time when you could order a car right out of the factory with choice of engine, whether you wanted dual carbs, choice of rear, choice of exhaust, etc. And best of all, it could be had for under $3000. Dave "Sandbagger" I liked the chronology of the muscle car. Landshark -- Hard things are put in our way, not to stop us, but to call out our courage and strength. |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Landshark" wrote: "Steveo" wrote in message ... FlavaFlav wrote: leland never said he was gonna key your car assflap. liar More lies. I won't retire, but I might retread. Hey dude, The history Channel had a show on muscle cars of the 60's and early seventies last night. Man, was that cool. All the cars with commercials from that era and designers & engineers giving commentary. Landshark That must have been cool..I watched a show about the Spirit of America, the jet powered land speed record holder from the sixties. Fun stuff. If you get that channel, look for it on either Sat or Sun. Landshark -- Most true happiness comes from one's inner life, from the disposition of the mind and soul. Admittedly, a good inner life is hard to achieve, especially in these trying times. It takes reflection and contemplation and self-discipline. |
On Fri, 14 May 2004 04:13:14 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 13 May 2004 13:45:36 GMT, "Landshark" wrote: There's a difference with "community" involvement and State involvement. While I might say something to someone in my town, I will not bother with some guy on the highway, that would never see me again in a million years. So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on CB radio did? There's not much you can do about society as a whole. A single individual cannot make much of a difference. But if every individual joined with other like-minded individuals, pretty soon you develop a force to be reckoned with. You can only make your part of society the best you can. Raise the children with good values and to respect their elders. A lot of good it does when they are thrust into a world which does not share those well taught values. When your (and mine) kid has to hang out with other kids who think it's cool to be stupid, indifferent, or rebellious (even if they don't fully understand what they're rebelling against), all of that good upbringing goes out the window unless they have a strong support system. I can not see the regress of CB as the eminent downfall of society. One is simply a reflection of the other. The gradual, but definite, regression of morality and good character is evident on both CB and in society as a whole. Having been involved with CB radio for the better part of 30+ years, I had a front row seat for the show. How far this "regression" continues remains to be seen. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers, the courts ordered them to stop. There's a difference between a rental car agency and a provision in the law. If the law were changed, it would be allowed. Your testimony only proves that the technology is viable. Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least probably not in our lifetime. I'm curious to know why you feel that way. As for the rental car agency, they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then threw the cases out of court. Most likely a case of expectation of privacy. A joke. People have the right to privacy so that they can break laws with a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a civil thread to an abusive thread. Not really. I don't lambast people directly, only their ideas. I am a little that way, as for around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit, but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH over the speed limit. Same thing here. I never speed in a residential area. I may push it to 60 or 62 MPH on the highway, since they can't cite you in Pa, until you exceed 5 MPH over the limit. Speed limit in this state on the highways and freeways is between 55 & 75 MPH. We still have many highways which are 55 MPH. Others (out of residential areas) are 65 MPH. None higher than that. On the other hand, I might be tempted to say that you give up too easily. Politicians have to answer to the people, usually those who make the most noise. Record the problem. Present the issue to the town council, their decisions are public record. Make it known that if, at some point in the future, a kid does get killed due to a speeding car, that they can be held as a party to the crime, due to their negligence, and refusal to act to mitigate the situation in the face of irrefutable evidence. That's correct, petitions, 80% of residents, they still didn't care. Yes, it usually takes a fatality for locals to install stops signs, speed enforcement etc etc in the state of California. You usually can not hold a California politician accountably unless they show gross disregard or criminal activity. Those petitions and other actions that you take can be admitted as evidence. Their lack of response can then be interpreted as "gross negligence". Most juries would be more inclined to side with the dead kid's parents than a do-nothing politician. Again, good luck trying in this state. I'm sure there is some sort of immunity laws that protect the *******s. You might be right, but if no one wants to try, we'll never get what we want. Maybe if a few cases set precedent, other local politicians will sit up and take notice. Doubtful, look at the how we had to spend billions to get rid of a governor, that took a surplus of billions of dollars and made it a deficit of billions of dollars in only a couple of years. Sometimes you don't have to take on the top dog to make a precedent, although you probably need the right circumstances and the right visibility. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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From: (Steveo) There is the problem for geo, it is him. _ "You don't know the **** storm you just brought upon yourself and other users of this forum..." --george busch _ Damn! Sounds just like KC8LDO's threats of harassment with having N8 flood this group..... Yep, turds of a feather, stink together. _ "But, it did stop the flooding. That can't be denied"..in response to KC8LDO's assertion that reporting a porn posting flooder in rec.radio.cb did no good. "He could have stop simply because that is what he wanted to do. I'm sure if you want to test the water he would be happy to resume it just to prove a point. 73 de, Leland C. Scott ----------- fool KC8LDO ARRL member NCI member _ -- I won't retire, but I might retread. |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 May 2004 04:13:14 GMT, "Landshark" So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on CB radio did? There's not much you can do about society as a whole. A single individual cannot make much of a difference. But if every individual joined with other like-minded individuals, pretty soon you develop a force to be reckoned with. A noble idea, but IMHO not viable You can only make your part of society the best you can. Raise the children with good values and to respect their elders. A lot of good it does when they are thrust into a world which does not share those well taught values. When your (and mine) kid has to hang out with other kids who think it's cool to be stupid, indifferent, or rebellious (even if they don't fully understand what they're rebelling against), all of that good upbringing goes out the window unless they have a strong support system. Actually it does a lot of good. If you taught them right and they can tell the difference between right & wrong, they won't hangout with those "other" kids. As you said, did dumb things when younger and since have learned better, that's what you hope you can instill into your children, but maybe a little earlier than you & I. I can not see the regress of CB as the eminent downfall of society. One is simply a reflection of the other. The gradual, but definite, regression of morality and good character is evident on both CB and in society as a whole. Having been involved with CB radio for the better part of 30+ years, I had a front row seat for the show. How far this "regression" continues remains to be seen. Well a lot has to do with location, location, location. Been through a lot of place in the state and mostly the big cities have the agitators. The burbs and small places usually are pretty A-typical type of CB. Technology offers yet another solution. GPS technology and OBD-II emission control systems can be integrated to the point where all functions of the car can be monitored. If the car travels down a road over the posted speed limit, it sends a little "On-Star" type message to a LEO, and a ticket in then issued. This has the added benefit of enabling the tracking of the car if it were to be stolen. This is similar to the idea of mounting cameras to take pictures of people running red lights. People will scream "Big Brother". But maybe that's what it takes when you can't trust people to behave on their own. Already done, dismissed in the courts. A rental car agency was doing that, issuing speeding tickets to thier customers, the courts ordered them to stop. There's a difference between a rental car agency and a provision in the law. If the law were changed, it would be allowed. Your testimony only proves that the technology is viable. Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least probably not in our lifetime. I'm curious to know why you feel that way. I just don't think the general public at large is going to let the government know where they are at all times, as you said "Big Brother". As for the rental car agency, they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then threw the cases out of court. Most likely a case of expectation of privacy. A joke. People have the right to privacy so that they can break laws with a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Well yes & no. You are right on they can break laws, but those same laws are there to protect you and I. Good Luck! I've gone to the city and county councils, tried to get the street closed at one end, to prevent all the people from speeding down my street to get over to their street faster, but not a chance. Speed bumps? Yeah right! I don't want to hear the sound of cars "jumping" the speed bumps at all hours of the night & day. So the best they can offer is "selective" enforcement, LOL!! Useless! Hmm.... I'm not sure how I want to proceed here. On the one hand I can lambast you for your duplicitous position with regard to "selective" speeding (It's ok, just don't do it on my street). Yeah you could, but then this thread will have gone from a civil thread to an abusive thread. Not really. I don't lambast people directly, only their ideas. I am a little that way, as for around town I don't really speed, out in the coutry side, on the bike, yeah. But again about the worst that can happen there is tha I kill myself. As for on the freeway, Bronco doesn't go over 70MPH, so don't speed there. My other cars on the freeway, I'll admit that I ocassionally go over the speed limit, but nothing dramatic, most cars are still passing me, so the cops go by me and catch the guy that's going 20-30 MPH over the speed limit. Same thing here. I never speed in a residential area. I may push it to 60 or 62 MPH on the highway, since they can't cite you in Pa, until you exceed 5 MPH over the limit. Speed limit in this state on the highways and freeways is between 55 & 75 MPH. We still have many highways which are 55 MPH. Others (out of residential areas) are 65 MPH. None higher than that. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:26:44 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 14 May 2004 04:13:14 GMT, "Landshark" So, can I assume then that you have no alternative answer? Should we just allow society to regress in much the same manner as operators on CB radio did? There's not much you can do about society as a whole. A single individual cannot make much of a difference. But if every individual joined with other like-minded individuals, pretty soon you develop a force to be reckoned with. A noble idea, but IMHO not viable As long as people feel that way, your statement becomes self-fufilling. You can only make your part of society the best you can. Raise the children with good values and to respect their elders. A lot of good it does when they are thrust into a world which does not share those well taught values. When your (and mine) kid has to hang out with other kids who think it's cool to be stupid, indifferent, or rebellious (even if they don't fully understand what they're rebelling against), all of that good upbringing goes out the window unless they have a strong support system. Actually it does a lot of good. If you taught them right and they can tell the difference between right & wrong, they won't hangout with those "other" kids. Let me tell you, good judgement is sometimes placed on the back burner when kids struggle to be "popular" and on the "A-list". They may come to their senses when they get in their 20's, but by that time they may have done things that will forever affect them. You either have to remain ever vigilant and provide some moral re-enforcement, or you have to do your best to remove your kids from temptation. Neither one is easy to do in today's world. Sex, drugs and violence are only a click of the remote away. Modern music is laced with all sorts of "wrong" messages. It's hard to compete with the mass media and pop culture. As you said, did dumb things when younger and since have learned better, that's what you hope you can instill into your children, but maybe a little earlier than you & I. I can only pray that this remains a true statement. But when I was a kid, the intensity and sheer magnitude of abhorrent behaviors was a fraction of what it is now. Getting caught smoking on school grounds was considered a big deal back then (And only in high school). One is simply a reflection of the other. The gradual, but definite, regression of morality and good character is evident on both CB and in society as a whole. Having been involved with CB radio for the better part of 30+ years, I had a front row seat for the show. How far this "regression" continues remains to be seen. Well a lot has to do with location, location, location. Been through a lot of place in the state and mostly the big cities have the agitators. The burbs and small places usually are pretty A-typical type of CB. Yea, it's going to vary depending on location. But I would also offer that the character of the people themselves varies in the same proportion in those areas. only proves that the technology is viable. Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least probably not in our lifetime. I'm curious to know why you feel that way. I just don't think the general public at large is going to let the government know where they are at all times, as you said "Big Brother". Many laws would not be enacted if we left it up to the people to "let the government" pass them. Would we be paying taxes right now, if we could vote them out? If a strong enough case could be made that these "big brother" steps would significantly reduce accidents, then the benefit to society as a whole would override the individual privacy aspects. As for the rental car agency, they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then threw the cases out of court. Most likely a case of expectation of privacy. A joke. People have the right to privacy so that they can break laws with a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Well yes & no. You are right on they can break laws, but those same laws are there to protect you and I. I was just remarking on how absurd it is to extend privacy rights to allow people to facilitate the subversion of laws. You shouldn't be allowed to hide behind the 4th amendment. The 4th amendment is there to protect the innocent from harassments, not to give haven to criminals. Dave "Sandbagger" |
"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... Let me tell you, good judgement is sometimes placed on the back burner when kids struggle to be "popular" and on the "A-list". They may come to their senses when they get in their 20's, but by that time they may have done things that will forever affect them. You either have to remain ever vigilant and provide some moral re-enforcement, or you have to do your best to remove your kids from temptation. Neither one is easy to do in today's world. Sex, drugs and violence are only a click of the remote away. Modern music is laced with all sorts of "wrong" messages. It's hard to compete with the mass media and pop culture. Agreed. As you said, did dumb things when younger and since have learned better, that's what you hope you can instill into your children, but maybe a little earlier than you & I. I can only pray that this remains a true statement. But when I was a kid, the intensity and sheer magnitude of abhorrent behaviors was a fraction of what it is now. Getting caught smoking on school grounds was considered a big deal back then (And only in high school). Yup, but that's why as a parent, you will do almost anything you can to make sure you child stays out of trouble. One is simply a reflection of the other. The gradual, but definite, regression of morality and good character is evident on both CB and in society as a whole. Having been involved with CB radio for the better part of 30+ years, I had a front row seat for the show. How far this "regression" continues remains to be seen. Well a lot has to do with location, location, location. Been through a lot of place in the state and mostly the big cities have the agitators. The burbs and small places usually are pretty A-typical type of CB. Yea, it's going to vary depending on location. But I would also offer that the character of the people themselves varies in the same proportion in those areas. only proves that the technology is viable. Yes Technology is available, but it won't be used, at least probably not in our lifetime. I'm curious to know why you feel that way. I just don't think the general public at large is going to let the government know where they are at all times, as you said "Big Brother". Many laws would not be enacted if we left it up to the people to "let the government" pass them. Would we be paying taxes right now, if we could vote them out? If a strong enough case could be made that these "big brother" steps would significantly reduce accidents, then the benefit to society as a whole would override the individual privacy aspects. We did in this state. We got enough signatures to vote the Governor out, that took millions. Then got enough votes to put a different person in as Governor. That took tens of millions of dollars to do, how much are you willing to spend on your agenda? As for the rental car agency, they were turning them into the state troopers, the DA then threw the cases out of court. Most likely a case of expectation of privacy. A joke. People have the right to privacy so that they can break laws with a reasonable chance of getting away with it. Well yes & no. You are right on they can break laws, but those same laws are there to protect you and I. I was just remarking on how absurd it is to extend privacy rights to allow people to facilitate the subversion of laws. You shouldn't be allowed to hide behind the 4th amendment. The 4th amendment is there to protect the innocent from harassments, not to give haven to criminals. If you are innocent and being persecuted, you won't think it's an absurd right. It is unfortunate that it can work both ways, but it works the right way a lot more than for the guilty. Dave "Sandbagger" Landshark -- That does suck..sometimes you're the windshield..sometimes you're the bug. |
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