N3CVJ wrote:
Run, don't walk away from peak jobs.



A most certainly biased opinion. Just because YOU hacked up radios as an
"independant (sic) contractor" and couldn't peak them properly doesn't
mean the rest of the world should discount all the other techs.


They do

nothing more than remove your hard earned

money and put it into someone else's hands.


No wonder you couldn't make it as a tech. There are many reasons to
"peak" radios. In fact, what *you* term "peak" encompasses virtually any
mods or work to a radio, such as removing the cover and aligning or
tuning.




All that is usually involved is peaking the

power output for maximum, and removing or

reducing the affects of the modulation limiter.



Ahhh,,,well, there you have it, mistakenly believing that all techs
"usually" look at peaking a radio in the same incompetent manner as
yourself.


I won't go into the math here but in order to

see even 1 "S" (signal) unit increase on

another guy's meter, your radio would have to

put out 4 times as much power as it did stock.


You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.


It is VERY difficult to get 16 watts of dead key
power from a 4 watt CB.



If one was getting a 16 watt dead key from a cb, it would be just
that,,a 16 watt cb and no longer a 4 watt cb.


It cannot be done by

alignment alone. By the time someone

"redesigns" the transmitter and replaces the

parts necessary to get up to 16 watts, you are

left with a radio that may very well be less

reliable, or may have a dirty or unstable

transmitter.



And you may be left with a radio that works quite well and exhibits none
of the unfavorable qualities (read: glass half empty) of which you
choose to focus.


If you truly want to get a boost in output

power,

you are better off with an amplifier. Yes, an

amplifier is illegal as heck, but so is a peak

job.



A tune isn't necessarily illegal, yet you have maintained "peak" and
"tune" are synonyms by your past posts regarding the opening of radios.

Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.

Twist:

Actually, there is a correlation. If two radios are set up in a
"fixed" location, each, and one transmits a carrier, there will be a
reading on the "s" meter of the receiving radio. Assuming the two
radios are far enough apart so that the transmitted signal does not
register above, say, s5 on the receiver, it is possible to get a
relative power reading from the transmitting radio. Now if the
transmitting radio increases power fourfold, say from 4 watts to 16
watts, the receiving radio should now show s6 on its meter.

This of course assumes that the receiving radio's ALC is tuned
properly and that the s-meter is calibrated properly. In a properly
calibrated receiver, a 3db increase in received signal strength should
show about 1/2 of an S unit. Doubling the power output is the
equivalent a 3db increase.

It's a moot point, but output power does indeed have something to do
with "s" units, to the receiving radio. There isn't a direct
correlation, and most CB receivers probably aren't calibrated
properly, but there is a correlation, nonetheless.

To the original poster: as for the antenna advice, a Wilson 1000 is a
decent antenna, and will do fine. You will notice increased receive
and transmit range while still remaining legal.

Hope this helps.

-SSB

From: (sideband)
Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.
_
Twist:

Actually, there is a correlation. If two radios

are set up in a "fixed" location, each, and one

transmits a carrier, there will be a reading on

the "s" meter of the receiving radio. Assuming

the two radios are far enough apart so that the
transmitted signal does not register above,

say, s5 on the receiver, it is possible to get a

relative power reading from the transmitting

radio. Now if the transmitting radio increases

power fourfold, say from 4 watts to 16 watts,

the receiving radio should now show s6 on its

meter.

This of course assumes that the receiving

radio's ALC is tuned properly and that the

s-meter is calibrated properly. In a properly

calibrated receiver, a 3db increase in received
signal strength should show about 1/2 of an S

unit. Doubling the power output is the

equivalent a 3db increase.




Whooa...you sure?


It's a moot point, but output power does

indeed have something to do with "s" units, to

the receiving radio. There isn't a direct

correlation, and most CB receivers probably

aren't calibrated properly, but there is a

correlation, nonetheless.




Yes, thanks for the reminder. I am aware output has much to do with the
S units on the receiving end.
What was being discussed was a peak and tune of a four watt radio. No
amount of tuning or peaking is going to render a difference in S units
from 4 watts.




To the original poster: as for the antenna

advice, a Wilson 1000 is a decent antenna,

and will do fine. You will notice increased

receive and transmit range while still

remaining legal.

Hope this helps.

-SSB



SSB,,Im taking another road trip to the Carolinas real soon,,probably
Myrtle Beach. In addition to seeing if Dwight wants to hang out awhile
(I may have to drive to Surfside Beach, for that) you have to send me an
email letting me know your times and freqs of operation. I'll try and
hollah at ya' from the road.

Twist:

1. I don't have your email... Haven't for a couple of years. Mine's
easy to find, if you know where to look. I've even been posting hints
as to how to find it for years.... every time I post.
2. I mostly operate on the Amateur bands now, though I do run 19 to
find out why I'm sitting in traffic, or to tell Swift he's a moron
(like he doesn't know already, but it's still fun to yell at the guy
who doesn't know how to keep it in his lane).
3. It wasn't voodoo.. Voodoo is expecting pushing over 100% modulation
to make the radio "louder" on the receiving radio.... I've said it
before, and I'll say it again.. 4 watts on one channel is alot louder
than 40 watts on all 40.

-SSB

Twistedhed wrote:
From: (sideband)
Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.
_

Twist:


Actually, there is a correlation. If two radios


are set up in a "fixed" location, each, and one


transmits a carrier, there will be a reading on


the "s" meter of the receiving radio. Assuming


the two radios are far enough apart so that the
transmitted signal does not register above,


say, s5 on the receiver, it is possible to get a


relative power reading from the transmitting


radio. Now if the transmitting radio increases


power fourfold, say from 4 watts to 16 watts,


the receiving radio should now show s6 on its


meter.


This of course assumes that the receiving


radio's ALC is tuned properly and that the


s-meter is calibrated properly. In a properly


calibrated receiver, a 3db increase in received
signal strength should show about 1/2 of an S


unit. Doubling the power output is the


equivalent a 3db increase.





Whooa...you sure?



It's a moot point, but output power does


indeed have something to do with "s" units, to


the receiving radio. There isn't a direct


correlation, and most CB receivers probably


aren't calibrated properly, but there is a


correlation, nonetheless.





Yes, thanks for the reminder. I am aware output has much to do with the
S units on the receiving end.
What was being discussed was a peak and tune of a four watt radio. No
amount of tuning or peaking is going to render a difference in S units
from 4 watts.





To the original poster: as for the antenna


advice, a Wilson 1000 is a decent antenna,


and will do fine. You will notice increased


receive and transmit range while still


remaining legal.


Hope this helps.


-SSB




SSB,,Im taking another road trip to the Carolinas real soon,,probably
Myrtle Beach. In addition to seeing if Dwight wants to hang out awhile
(I may have to drive to Surfside Beach, for that) you have to send me an
email letting me know your times and freqs of operation. I'll try and
hollah at ya' from the road.

From: (sideband)
Twist:
1. I don't have your email... Haven't for a

couple of years. Mine's easy to find, if you

know where to look. I've even been posting

hints as to how to find it for years.... every time

I post.


Send it to what's posted. I have incredible spam block so listing my
addy is never a problem.


2. I mostly operate on the Amateur bands

now, though I do run 19 to find out why I'm

sitting in traffic, or to tell Swift he's a moron

(like he doesn't know already, but it's still fun

to yell at the guy who doesn't know how to

keep it in his lane).

Did he take the place of yesterday's JB Hunt driver ? g

3. It wasn't voodoo.. Voodoo is expecting

pushing over 100% modulation to make the

radio "louder" on the receiving radio.... I've

said it before, and I'll say it again.. 4 watts on

one channel is alot louder than 40 watts on all

40.

-SSB

The voodoo comment wasn't in response to anything you wrote or posted.
It was in response to claiming one could raise the S units on a 4 watt
cb with a peak and tune.
Besides, I don't even use 4 watts, I use 3 most of the time.
You going to try and make this picnic thingy?

Twistedhed wrote:

The voodoo comment wasn't in response to anything you wrote or posted.
It was in response to claiming one could raise the S units on a 4 watt
cb with a peak and tune.
Besides, I don't even use 4 watts, I use 3 most of the time.
You going to try and make this picnic thingy?

Try being the operative word. With my schedule, it's impossible to
tell if I'm going to be working after I deliver the freight I've
currently got, much less next year... going to try.

-SSB

From: (sideband)
Twistedhed wrote:
The voodoo comment wasn't in response to anything you wrote or posted.
It was in response to claiming one could raise the S units on a 4 watt
cb with a peak and tune.
Besides, I don't even use 4 watts, I use 3 most of the time. You going
to try and make this picnic thingy?

Try being the operative word. With my

schedule, it's impossible to tell if I'm going to

be working after I deliver the freight I've

currently got, much less next year... going to

try.

-SSB


That's a bop and a drive for me,,,,,,never was really fond of Indiana,
but we'll see what the summer brings. As it stands right now, I'm trying
to map out a plan.

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:34:23 GMT, sideband wrote:



Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.

Twist:

Actually, there is a correlation. If two radios are set up in a
"fixed" location, each, and one transmits a carrier, there will be a
reading on the "s" meter of the receiving radio. Assuming the two
radios are far enough apart so that the transmitted signal does not
register above, say, s5 on the receiver, it is possible to get a
relative power reading from the transmitting radio. Now if the
transmitting radio increases power fourfold, say from 4 watts to 16
watts, the receiving radio should now show s6 on its meter.

This of course assumes that the receiving radio's ALC is tuned
properly and that the s-meter is calibrated properly. In a properly
calibrated receiver, a 3db increase in received signal strength should
show about 1/2 of an S unit. Doubling the power output is the
equivalent a 3db increase.

True, and 3 db is just barely noticable at the receive end

Makes peaking a radio to get 1 more watt out of it more detrimental
than beneficial.

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:34:23 GMT, sideband wrote:



Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.

Twist:

Actually, there is a correlation.

He knows that. He just likes to insult me. But he's way out of his
element and way too far into mine if he wants to talk about radio
theory.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:34:23 GMT, sideband wrote:
Twistedhed wrote:
You would be best served putting your voodoo radio bull**** to rest.
Assuming a peak and tune job is somehow related to increased "S" units
is imbecilic.
Twist:
Actually, there is a correlation.

He knows that. He just likes to insult me.

Nothing was insultive was said to you in the above post.
Has nothing to with insult and if you weren't so insultive all the time
with your own posts you wouldn't be paranoid and misinterpret others
posts thinking they are all about you.

But

he's way out of his element and way too far

into mine if he wants to talk about radio

theory.


Hehe,,,,that's the davie we're all used to, the one that needs to blow
his own horn. It ilustrates your blown self-esteem. I guess if I was as
ignorant as your remarks about FCC law that hold roger beeps illegal and
dxing as a felony, I would hurry up and start tooting my own horn about
another area of which I have slightly more knowledge than that of the
law which governs "your" element.
Nevertheless, tuning a 4 watt radio will not affect any "S" unit on the
receiving end. You go on and believe it will and continue to sling your
voodoo bull**** that is found in your posts from your claim of making a
Davemade "spectrally pure" (something which you are unable to define,
but claim you did) to your bull**** about increased S units from a 4
watt radio.


Dave

"Sandbagger"

http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj