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Jerry November 22nd 04 11:07 PM

Pilot Travel Centers Fined $125,000!
 
Before the

Federal Communications Commission

Washington, D.C. 20554

In the Matter of

Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.

Knoxville, Tennessee
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File No. EB-03-DL-099

NAL/Acct. No. 200532500001

FRN # 0006096010






NOTICE OF APPARENT LIABILITY FOR FORFEITURE

Adopted: November 18, 2004 Released: November 22, 2004

By the Commission:

I. Introduction


In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture ("NAL"), we find Pilot
Travel Centers, L.L.C. ("Pilot") apparently liable for a forfeiture in the
amount of one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) for willful
and repeated violations of Section 302(b) of the Communications Act of 1934,
as amended ("Act"), and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's Rules
("Rules"). Specifically, we find Pilot apparently liable for offering for
sale radio frequency devices without the required Commission equipment
authorization.


II. background


Section 302 of the Act authorizes the Commission to make reasonable
regulations, consistent with the public interest, governing the interference
potential of equipment that emits radio frequency energy, and prohibits,
inter alia, the offering for sale of radio frequency devices to the extent
such activity does not comply with those regulations. The purpose of this
section is to ensure that radio transmitters and other electronic devices
meet certain standards to control interference before they reach the market.
The Commission carries out its responsibilities under Section 302 in two
ways. First, the Commission establishes technical regulations for
transmitters and other equipment to minimize their potential for causing
interference to radio services. Second, the Commission administers an
equipment authorization program to ensure that equipment reaching the market
complies with the technical requirements. The equipment authorization
program requires that equipment be tested either by the manufacturer or at a
private test laboratory to ensure that it complies with the technical
requirements. For a large number of devices, including Citizens Band ("CB")
radio transmitting equipment, equipment may not be marketed within the
United States unless it has been tested and found to comply with Commission
technical requirements, granted Commission Certification, and properly
labeled. "Marketing" includes the sale or lease, offer for sale or lease
(including advertising for sale or lease), importing, shipping, and/or
distribution for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale or
lease.

Unlike CB radio transmitting equipment, radio transmitting equipment that
transmits solely on Amateur Radio Service ("ARS") frequencies is not subject
to equipment authorization requirements prior to manufacture or marketing.
However, some radio transmitters that transmit in a portion of the 10-meter
band of the ARS (28.000 to 29.700 MHz) are equipped with rotary, toggle, or
pushbutton switches mounted externally on the unit, which allow operation in
the CB bands after completion of minor and trivial internal modifications to
the equipment. To address these radios, the Commission adopted changes to
the CB type acceptance requirements by defining a "CB Transmitter" as "a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized
in the CB."

Despite these changes to the definition of a CB transmitter, Commission
enforcement agents continued to encounter non-certified CB transmitters
marketed as ARS transmitters. On May 13, 1996, the Commission's Office of
Engineering and Technology ("OET") released a Public Notice "to clarify the
Commission's Rules regarding equipment that is intended to operate in
various radio services in the high frequency radio spectrum, including '10-Meter'
Amateur Radio Service (ARS) equipment." The Notice stated that transmitters
intended for operation on non-amateur frequencies must be approved prior to
manufacture, importation or marketing. The Notice specifically included ARS
transceivers designed "such that they can easily be modified by the users to
extend the operating frequency range into the frequency bands" of the CB and
other non-amateur radio services among those devices subject to equipment
authorization procedures. The Notice also stated that the Commission
considers these transceivers as intended to be operated on frequencies where
the use of type accepted equipment is required "because of the simplicity of
modifying them to extend their operating frequency range." The Commission's
Office of General Counsel ("OGC") later released a letter on the importation
and marketing of ARS transmitters, which clarified that such transmitters
that "have a built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies and can easily
be altered to activate that capability, such as by moving or removing a
jumper plug or cutting a single wire" fall within the definition of "CB
transmitter" under Section 95.603(c) of the Rules and therefore require
certification prior to marketing or importation.

From December 9, 2001 through May 6, 2003, the Commission received four
complaints specifically naming Pilot Travel Centers as marketing
non-certified CB transceivers. From August 2001 through September 2002,
Enforcement Bureau field agents visited eleven Pilot retail outlets at the
following locations: Sulphur Springs, Texas; Dallas, Texas; Weatherford,
Texas; Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite, California;
North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada; Barstow,
California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. At these locations,
the stores displayed and offered for sale various models of non-certified CB
transceivers marketed as ARS transmitters. Prior to the field visits, OET
had tested all of these models and found each of them to be non-certified CB
transceivers.

As a result of agent inspections of Pilot retail stores from December 2,
1999 to September 6, 2002, Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued nine
Citations to Pilot. The Bureau issued one Citation to Pilot's corporate
headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee, and eight Citations to different Pilot
retail outlets in Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite,
California; North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada;
Barstow, California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. Each of
these Citations advised Pilot of observed violations of the Commission's
equipment authorization and marketing rules, specifically, marketing
non-certified CB transceivers in violation of Section 302(b) of the Act and
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules. The Citations warned Pilot that future
violations may subject Pilot to civil monetary forfeitures not to exceed
$11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation,
seizure of equipment through in rem forfeiture action, and criminal
sanctions including fines and imprisonment.

On December 7, 2001, the Enforcement Bureau's Dallas Field Office ("Dallas
Office") received from Pilot a response dated December 6, 2001 to the
Citation issued to Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee.
The response from Pilot's Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary
stated that "[a]ll of the radios in question are marketed as amateur radios
and, as sold, operate on the 10-meter amateur band. Part 97 of 47 C.F.R.,
not Part 95, governs these transceivers. Part 97 does not require type
acceptance of amateur radios." On January 28, 2002, the Dallas Office mailed
a letter to Pilot's corporate headquarters addressing Pilot's response to
the Citation. The letter advised Pilot that the devices referred to in the
Citation are intended for use on CB as well as ARS frequencies, because they
have built-in design features which facilitate their operation on CB
frequencies by the exercise of simple, end-user accessible, modifications to
the devices. The letter further advised that such devices are considered CB
transmitters pursuant to Section 95.603(c) of the Rules, irrespective of any
labeling purporting the devices to be "Amateur Radio Transceivers." The
Dallas Office received no further response from Pilot. In addition,
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices received five other responses from
Citations issued to Pilot, one response from Pilot's Vice President, General
Counsel, and Secretary and four other responses from a Pilot Paralegal. All
five responses similarly disputed the Commission's statements in the
Citations that Pilot illegally marketed non-certified CB transmitters.
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued follow-up responses to each of these
letters advising Pilot that the devices in question are considered CB
transmitters and that marketing of the non-certified devices was not lawful.

Subsequent to issuance of the above-mentioned Citations and follow-up
letters, from December 11, 2003 to July 3, 2004, Enforcement Bureau field
agents made seven visits to Pilot retail stores nationwide where Pilot
offered for sale non-certified models of Galaxy brand CB transceivers. As
noted above, OET had already tested these specific models and determined
them all to be dual use Amateur Radio and CB transmitters. Each of the
models could be modified to allow transmit capabilities on CB frequencies.

On December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, Enforcement Bureau field agents purchased
three Galaxy transceivers (models DX33HML, DX99V and DX66V, respectively)
from three different Pilot retail stores and had them tested by the
laboratory of OET. On April 1, 2004, the laboratory of OET issued an
evaluation report for each of the three purchased transceivers and found
that they were all non-certified CB transmitters.


III. Discussion


Section 302(b) of the Act provides that no person shall manufacture, import,
sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home electronic equipment and
systems, or use devices, which fail to comply with regulations promulgated
pursuant to this section. Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that:


(a) Except as provided elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or
lease, or offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease),
or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or
offering for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless: (1) [i]n the
case of a device subject to certification, such device has been authorized
by the Commission in accordance with the rules in this chapter and is
properly identified and labeled as required by § 2.925 and other relevant
sections in this chapter[.]


Section 95.603(c) of the Rules requires that "[e]ach CB transmitter (a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized
in the CB) must be certificated." Section 95.655(a) of the Rules states that
"[n]o transmitter will be certificated for use in the CB service if it is
equipped with a frequency capability not [authorized for CB in Part 95 of
the Rules]." This section also states that "([CB t]ransmitters with
frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services . will not be
certificated.)" Additionally, Section 95.655(c) of the Rules prohibits any
internal or external add-on device that functions to extend the transmitting
frequency capability of a CB transmitter beyond its original capability.

Prior to October 2002, Pilot offered for sale various non-certified CB
transmitters at eleven of its retail outlets. Commission Field Offices
issued a total of nine Citations to Pilot's corporate headquarters and its
retail outlets warning Pilot that future violations would subject Pilot to
penalties including civil monetary forfeitures. Subsequently, in forty-seven
separate instances from October 8, 2002 to July 3, 2004, Pilot offered for
sale various models of non-certified Galaxy brand CB transmitters, which had
all been tested and determined by OET to be non-certified CB transmitters.
Although they were labeled as "amateur radios," the specified models of
Galaxy transmitters are CB transmitters, because each was designed to be
easily modified by the end user to allow operation on CB frequencies.
Additionally, in at least eleven of the forty-seven instances of marketing
by Pilot, Pilot employees referred to the devices as "CB's."

Based on the evidence before us, we find that in thirteen instances -- six
on December 11, 2003, one each on December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, three on
March 25, 2004, and one on July 3, 2004 -- Pilot offered for sale
non-certified CB transmitters in apparent willful and repeated violation of
Section 302(b) of the Act and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

Section 503(b) of the Act, authorizes the Commission to assess a forfeiture
for each willful or repeated violation of the Act or of any rule,
regulation, or order issued by the Commission under the Act. In exercising
such authority, we are to take into account "the nature, circumstances,
extent, and gravity of the violation and, with respect to the violator, the
degree of culpability, any history of prior offenses, ability to pay, and
such other matters as justice may require."

Pursuant to The Commission's Forfeiture Policy Statement and Amendment of
Section 1.80 of the Rules to Incorporate the Forfeiture Guidelines
("Forfeiture Policy Statement") and Section 1.80 of the Rules, the base
forfeiture amount for marketing unauthorized equipment is $7,000 per
violation. Thus, the total base forfeiture amount for all of Pilot's
violations is $91,000.

We are concerned, however, with the pattern of apparent violations here. Our
equipment authorization rules ensure that radio transmitters and other
electronic equipment comply with Commission technical requirements. The
proliferation of non-certified CB transmitters may result in interference to
certified CB transmitters and other devices, thereby undermining the
effectiveness of our technical rules. Furthermore, we have previously stated
that ARS equipment that can be easily modified to extend the operating
frequency range into CB frequency bands are CB transmitters subject to
equipment authorization procedures.

We are particularly troubled that Pilot continues to violate these rules
despite receiving nine Citations for marketing non-certified CB
transmitters. These Citations put Pilot on actual notice that marketing of
this equipment is unlawful, yet Pilot intentionally continued to market the
unlawful equipment. Pilot's continuing violations of the equipment
authorization requirements evince a pattern of intentional non-compliance
with and apparent disregard for these rules. Accordingly, we believe an
upward adjustment of the base forfeiture amount is warranted. Applying the
Forfeiture Policy Statement and statutory factors (e.g., nature, extent and
gravity of the violation and the history of prior offenses) to the instant
case, we conclude that it is appropriate to propose a forfeiture of $125,000
for Pilot's apparent violations. Therefore, we find Pilot apparently liable
for a forfeiture in the amount of $125,000.

IV. ordering clauses


Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the
Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Section 1.80 of the Commission's
Rules, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C. is hereby NOTIFIED of this APPARENT
LIABILITY FOR A FORFEITURE in the amount of one hundred and twenty-five
thousand dollars ($125,000) for willfully and repeatedly violating Section
302(b) of the Act, and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 1.80 of the Rules, within
thirty days of the release date of this NAL, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.
SHALL PAY the full amount of the proposed forfeiture amount or SHALL FILE a
written statement seeking reduction or cancellation of the proposed
forfeiture.

Payment of the forfeiture may be made by check or similar instrument,
payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission. The payment
must include the NAL/Acct. No. and FRN No. referenced above. Payment by
check or money order may be mailed to Forfeiture Collection Section, Finance
Branch, Federal Communications Commission, P.O. Box 73482, Chicago, Illinois
60673-7482. Payment by overnight mail may be sent to Bank One/LB 73482, 525
West Monroe, 8th Floor Mailroom, Chicago, IL 60661. Payment by wire transfer
may be made to ABA Number 071000013, receiving bank Bank One, and account
number 1165259. Requests for payment of the full amount of this Notice of
Apparent Liability under an installment plan should be sent to: Chief,
Revenue and Receivables Operations Group, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington,
D.C. 20554.

The response if any must be mailed to Office of the Secretary, Federal
Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554,
ATTN: South Central Region Headquarters and must include the NAL/Acct. No.
200532500001.

The Commission will not consider reducing or canceling a forfeiture in
response to a claim of inability to pay unless the petitioner submits: (1)
federal tax returns for the most recent three-year period; (2) financial
statements prepared according to generally accepted accounting practices; or
(3) some other reliable and objective documentation that accurately reflects
the petitioner's current financial status. Any claim of inability to pay
must specifically identify the basis for the claim by reference to the
financial documentation submitted.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that a copy of this NAL shall be sent by regular First
Class Mail and by Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to: Pilot Travel
Centers L.L.C., 5508 Lonas Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37909.


FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION






Marlene H. Dortch

Secretary



ATTACHMENT



December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy models DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 16, 2003, Pilot center #95, Wildwood, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

8. December 17, 2003, Pilot center #94, Punta, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

9. December 18, 2003, Pilot center #328, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

10. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for
sale.

11. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for
sale.

12. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for
sale.

13. July 3, 2004, Pilot center #35, South Bend, Indiana. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.



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"Jerry" wrote in message ...[i]
Before the

Federal Communications Commission

Washington, D.C. 20554

In the Matter of

Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.

Knoxville, Tennessee
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)

)

)

)
File No. EB-03-DL-099

NAL/Acct. No. 200532500001

FRN # 0006096010






NOTICE OF APPARENT LIABILITY FOR FORFEITURE

Adopted: November 18, 2004 Released: November 22, 2004

By the Commission:

I. Introduction


In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture ("NAL"), we find Pilot
Travel Centers, L.L.C. ("Pilot") apparently liable for a forfeiture in the
amount of one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) for willful
and repeated violations of Section 302(b) of the Communications Act of 1934,
as amended ("Act"), and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's Rules
("Rules"). Specifically, we find Pilot apparently liable for offering for
sale radio frequency devices without the required Commission equipment
authorization.


II. background


Section 302 of the Act authorizes the Commission to make reasonable
regulations, consistent with the public interest, governing the interference
potential of equipment that emits radio frequency energy, and prohibits,
inter alia, the offering for sale of radio frequency devices to the extent
such activity does not comply with those regulations. The purpose of this
section is to ensure that radio transmitters and other electronic devices
meet certain standards to control interference before they reach the market.
The Commission carries out its responsibilities under Section 302 in two
ways. First, the Commission establishes technical regulations for
transmitters and other equipment to minimize their potential for causing
interference to radio services. Second, the Commission administers an
equipment authorization program to ensure that equipment reaching the market
complies with the technical requirements. The equipment authorization
program requires that equipment be tested either by the manufacturer or at a
private test laboratory to ensure that it complies with the technical
requirements. For a large number of devices, including Citizens Band ("CB")
radio transmitting equipment, equipment may not be marketed within the
United States unless it has been tested and found to comply with Commission
technical requirements, granted Commission Certification, and properly
labeled. "Marketing" includes the sale or lease, offer for sale or lease
(including advertising for sale or lease), importing, shipping, and/or
distribution for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale or
lease.

Unlike CB radio transmitting equipment, radio transmitting equipment that
transmits solely on Amateur Radio Service ("ARS") frequencies is not subject
to equipment authorization requirements prior to manufacture or marketing.
However, some radio transmitters that transmit in a portion of the 10-meter
band of the ARS (28.000 to 29.700 MHz) are equipped with rotary, toggle, or
pushbutton switches mounted externally on the unit, which allow operation in
the CB bands after completion of minor and trivial internal modifications to
the equipment. To address these radios, the Commission adopted changes to
the CB type acceptance requirements by defining a "CB Transmitter" as "a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized
in the CB."

Despite these changes to the definition of a CB transmitter, Commission
enforcement agents continued to encounter non-certified CB transmitters
marketed as ARS transmitters. On May 13, 1996, the Commission's Office of
Engineering and Technology ("OET") released a Public Notice "to clarify the
Commission's Rules regarding equipment that is intended to operate in
various radio services in the high frequency radio spectrum, including '10-Meter'
Amateur Radio Service (ARS) equipment." The Notice stated that transmitters
intended for operation on non-amateur frequencies must be approved prior to
manufacture, importation or marketing. The Notice specifically included ARS
transceivers designed "such that they can easily be modified by the users to
extend the operating frequency range into the frequency bands" of the CB and
other non-amateur radio services among those devices subject to equipment
authorization procedures. The Notice also stated that the Commission
considers these transceivers as intended to be operated on frequencies where
the use of type accepted equipment is required "because of the simplicity of
modifying them to extend their operating frequency range." The Commission's
Office of General Counsel ("OGC") later released a letter on the importation
and marketing of ARS transmitters, which clarified that such transmitters
that "have a built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies and can easily
be altered to activate that capability, such as by moving or removing a
jumper plug or cutting a single wire" fall within the definition of "CB
transmitter" under Section 95.603(c) of the Rules and therefore require
certification prior to marketing or importation.

From December 9, 2001 through May 6, 2003, the Commission received four
complaints specifically naming Pilot Travel Centers as marketing
non-certified CB transceivers. From August 2001 through September 2002,
Enforcement Bureau field agents visited eleven Pilot retail outlets at the
following locations: Sulphur Springs, Texas; Dallas, Texas; Weatherford,
Texas; Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite, California;
North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada; Barstow,
California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. At these locations,
the stores displayed and offered for sale various models of non-certified CB
transceivers marketed as ARS transmitters. Prior to the field visits, OET
had tested all of these models and found each of them to be non-certified CB
transceivers.

As a result of agent inspections of Pilot retail stores from December 2,
1999 to September 6, 2002, Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued nine
Citations to Pilot. The Bureau issued one Citation to Pilot's corporate
headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee, and eight Citations to different Pilot
retail outlets in Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite,
California; North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada;
Barstow, California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. Each of
these Citations advised Pilot of observed violations of the Commission's
equipment authorization and marketing rules, specifically, marketing
non-certified CB transceivers in violation of Section 302(b) of the Act and
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules. The Citations warned Pilot that future
violations may subject Pilot to civil monetary forfeitures not to exceed
$11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation,
seizure of equipment through in rem forfeiture action, and criminal
sanctions including fines and imprisonment.

On December 7, 2001, the Enforcement Bureau's Dallas Field Office ("Dallas
Office") received from Pilot a response dated December 6, 2001 to the
Citation issued to Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee.
The response from Pilot's Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary
stated that "[a]ll of the radios in question are marketed as amateur radios
and, as sold, operate on the 10-meter amateur band. Part 97 of 47 C.F.R.,
not Part 95, governs these transceivers. Part 97 does not require type
acceptance of amateur radios." On January 28, 2002, the Dallas Office mailed
a letter to Pilot's corporate headquarters addressing Pilot's response to
the Citation. The letter advised Pilot that the devices referred to in the
Citation are intended for use on CB as well as ARS frequencies, because they
have built-in design features which facilitate their operation on CB
frequencies by the exercise of simple, end-user accessible, modifications to
the devices. The letter further advised that such devices are considered CB
transmitters pursuant to Section 95.603(c) of the Rules, irrespective of any
labeling purporting the devices to be "Amateur Radio Transceivers." The
Dallas Office received no further response from Pilot. In addition,
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices received five other responses from
Citations issued to Pilot, one response from Pilot's Vice President, General
Counsel, and Secretary and four other responses from a Pilot Paralegal. All
five responses similarly disputed the Commission's statements in the
Citations that Pilot illegally marketed non-certified CB transmitters.
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued follow-up responses to each of these
letters advising Pilot that the devices in question are considered CB
transmitters and that marketing of the non-certified devices was not lawful.

Subsequent to issuance of the above-mentioned Citations and follow-up
letters, from December 11, 2003 to July 3, 2004, Enforcement Bureau field
agents made seven visits to Pilot retail stores nationwide where Pilot
offered for sale non-certified models of Galaxy brand CB transceivers. As
noted above, OET had already tested these specific models and determined
them all to be dual use Amateur Radio and CB transmitters. Each of the
models could be modified to allow transmit capabilities on CB frequencies.

On December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, Enforcement Bureau field agents purchased
three Galaxy transceivers (models DX33HML, DX99V and DX66V, respectively)
from three different Pilot retail stores and had them tested by the
laboratory of OET. On April 1, 2004, the laboratory of OET issued an
evaluation report for each of the three purchased transceivers and found
that they were all non-certified CB transmitters.


III. Discussion


Section 302(b) of the Act provides that no person shall manufacture, import,
sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home electronic equipment and
systems, or use devices, which fail to comply with regulations promulgated
pursuant to this section. Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that:


(a) Except as provided elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or
lease, or offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease),
or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or
offering for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless: (1) n the
case of a device subject to certification, such device has been authorized
by the Commission in accordance with the rules in this chapter and is
properly identified and labeled as required by § 2.925 and other relevant
sections in this chapter[.]


Section 95.603(c) of the Rules requires that "[e]ach CB transmitter (a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized
in the CB) must be certificated." Section 95.655(a) of the Rules states that
"[n]o transmitter will be certificated for use in the CB service if it is
equipped with a frequency capability not [authorized for CB in Part 95 of
the Rules]." This section also states that "([CB t]ransmitters with
frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services . will not be
certificated.)" Additionally, Section 95.655(c) of the Rules prohibits any
internal or external add-on device that functions to extend the transmitting
frequency capability of a CB transmitter beyond its original capability.

Prior to October 2002, Pilot offered for sale various non-certified CB
transmitters at eleven of its retail outlets. Commission Field Offices
issued a total of nine Citations to Pilot's corporate headquarters and its
retail outlets warning Pilot that future violations would subject Pilot to
penalties including civil monetary forfeitures. Subsequently, in forty-seven
separate instances from October 8, 2002 to July 3, 2004, Pilot offered for
sale various models of non-certified Galaxy brand CB transmitters, which had
all been tested and determined by OET to be non-certified CB transmitters.
Although they were labeled as "amateur radios," the specified models of
Galaxy transmitters are CB transmitters, because each was designed to be
easily modified by the end user to allow operation on CB frequencies.
Additionally, in at least eleven of the forty-seven instances of marketing
by Pilot, Pilot employees referred to the devices as "CB's."

Based on the evidence before us, we find that in thirteen instances -- six
on December 11, 2003, one each on December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, three on
March 25, 2004, and one on July 3, 2004 -- Pilot offered for sale
non-certified CB transmitters in apparent willful and repeated violation of
Section 302(b) of the Act and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

Section 503(b) of the Act, authorizes the Commission to assess a forfeiture
for each willful or repeated violation of the Act or of any rule,
regulation, or order issued by the Commission under the Act. In exercising
such authority, we are to take into account "the nature, circumstances,
extent, and gravity of the violation and, with respect to the violator, the
degree of culpability, any history of prior offenses, ability to pay, and
such other matters as justice may require."

Pursuant to The Commission's Forfeiture Policy Statement and Amendment of
Section 1.80 of the Rules to Incorporate the Forfeiture Guidelines
("Forfeiture Policy Statement") and Section 1.80 of the Rules, the base
forfeiture amount for marketing unauthorized equipment is $7,000 per
violation. Thus, the total base forfeiture amount for all of Pilot's
violations is $91,000.

We are concerned, however, with the pattern of apparent violations here. Our
equipment authorization rules ensure that radio transmitters and other
electronic equipment comply with Commission technical requirements. The
proliferation of non-certified CB transmitters may result in interference to
certified CB transmitters and other devices, thereby undermining the
effectiveness of our technical rules. Furthermore, we have previously stated
that ARS equipment that can be easily modified to extend the operating
frequency range into CB frequency bands are CB transmitters subject to
equipment authorization procedures.

We are particularly troubled that Pilot continues to violate these rules
despite receiving nine Citations for marketing non-certified CB
transmitters. These Citations put Pilot on actual notice that marketing of
this equipment is unlawful, yet Pilot intentionally continued to market the
unlawful equipment. Pilot's continuing violations of the equipment
authorization requirements evince a pattern of intentional non-compliance
with and apparent disregard for these rules. Accordingly, we believe an
upward adjustment of the base forfeiture amount is warranted. Applying the
Forfeiture Policy Statement and statutory factors (e.g., nature, extent and
gravity of the violation and the history of prior offenses) to the instant
case, we conclude that it is appropriate to propose a forfeiture of $125,000
for Pilot's apparent violations. Therefore, we find Pilot apparently liable
for a forfeiture in the amount of $125,000.

IV. ordering clauses


Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the
Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Section 1.80 of the Commission's
Rules, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C. is hereby NOTIFIED of this APPARENT
LIABILITY FOR A FORFEITURE in the amount of one hundred and twenty-five
thousand dollars ($125,000) for willfully and repeatedly violating Section
302(b) of the Act, and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 1.80 of the Rules, within
thirty days of the release date of this NAL, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.
SHALL PAY the full amount of the proposed forfeiture amount or SHALL FILE a
written statement seeking reduction or cancellation of the proposed
forfeiture.

Payment of the forfeiture may be made by check or similar instrument,
payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission. The payment
must include the NAL/Acct. No. and FRN No. referenced above. Payment by
check or money order may be mailed to Forfeiture Collection Section, Finance
Branch, Federal Communications Commission, P.O. Box 73482, Chicago, Illinois
60673-7482. Payment by overnight mail may be sent to Bank One/LB 73482, 525
West Monroe, 8th Floor Mailroom, Chicago, IL 60661. Payment by wire transfer
may be made to ABA Number 071000013, receiving bank Bank One, and account
number 1165259. Requests for payment of the full amount of this Notice of
Apparent Liability under an installment plan should be sent to: Chief,
Revenue and Receivables Operations Group, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington,
D.C. 20554.

The response if any must be mailed to Office of the Secretary, Federal
Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554,
ATTN: South Central Region Headquarters and must include the NAL/Acct. No.
200532500001.

The Commission will not consider reducing or canceling a forfeiture in
response to a claim of inability to pay unless the petitioner submits: (1)
federal tax returns for the most recent three-year period; (2) financial
statements prepared according to generally accepted accounting practices; or
(3) some other reliable and objective documentation that accurately reflects
the petitioner's current financial status. Any claim of inability to pay
must specifically identify the basis for the claim by reference to the
financial documentation submitted.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that a copy of this NAL shall be sent by regular First
Class Mail and by Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to: Pilot Travel
Centers L.L.C., 5508 Lonas Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37909.


FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION






Marlene H. Dortch

Secretary



ATTACHMENT



December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy models DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 16, 2003, Pilot center #95, Wildwood, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

8. December 17, 2003, Pilot center #94, Punta, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

9. December 18, 2003, Pilot center #328, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

10. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for
sale.

11. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for
sale.

12. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for
sale.

13. July 3, 2004, Pilot center #35, South Bend, Indiana. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.


HEHEHEHE...more keyclowns gonna cry now. Doncha love it!

Twistedhed November 23rd 04 03:44 PM

As long as folks like Oxendine continue to accept this as enforcement,
nothing will change. Corporations get popped and pay fines all the time.
It's accepted and often standard business practice in the USA and a
specialty of the right wing. The fine is listed as an expense at tax
time. The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines). Meanwhile,
the Oxendines of the land are easily fooled. Armed with a false sense
of superiority, Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.


Leland C. Scott November 23rd 04 11:03 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).


Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers may
be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and that
sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more than
the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the legal
ladder. This would be the case to watch.
--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft

Meanwhile,
the Oxendines of the land are easily fooled. Armed with a false sense
of superiority, Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.




Steveo November 24th 04 12:15 AM

(Twistedhed) wrote:
Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.

Sounds like another pantie waist lib. (j/k)

U Know Who November 24th 04 12:16 AM


"Psychiatrist to keyclowns" wrote in message
om...[i]
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
Before the

Federal Communications Commission

Washington, D.C. 20554

In the Matter of

Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.

Knoxville, Tennessee
)

)

)

)

)
File No. EB-03-DL-099

NAL/Acct. No. 200532500001

FRN # 0006096010






NOTICE OF APPARENT LIABILITY FOR FORFEITURE

Adopted: November 18, 2004 Released: November 22, 2004

By the Commission:

I. Introduction


In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture ("NAL"), we find
Pilot
Travel Centers, L.L.C. ("Pilot") apparently liable for a forfeiture in
the
amount of one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) for willful
and repeated violations of Section 302(b) of the Communications Act of
1934,
as amended ("Act"), and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's Rules
("Rules"). Specifically, we find Pilot apparently liable for offering for
sale radio frequency devices without the required Commission equipment
authorization.


II. background


Section 302 of the Act authorizes the Commission to make reasonable
regulations, consistent with the public interest, governing the
interference
potential of equipment that emits radio frequency energy, and prohibits,
inter alia, the offering for sale of radio frequency devices to the
extent
such activity does not comply with those regulations. The purpose of this
section is to ensure that radio transmitters and other electronic devices
meet certain standards to control interference before they reach the
market.
The Commission carries out its responsibilities under Section 302 in two
ways. First, the Commission establishes technical regulations for
transmitters and other equipment to minimize their potential for causing
interference to radio services. Second, the Commission administers an
equipment authorization program to ensure that equipment reaching the
market
complies with the technical requirements. The equipment authorization
program requires that equipment be tested either by the manufacturer or
at a
private test laboratory to ensure that it complies with the technical
requirements. For a large number of devices, including Citizens Band
("CB")
radio transmitting equipment, equipment may not be marketed within the
United States unless it has been tested and found to comply with
Commission
technical requirements, granted Commission Certification, and properly
labeled. "Marketing" includes the sale or lease, offer for sale or lease
(including advertising for sale or lease), importing, shipping, and/or
distribution for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale
or
lease.

Unlike CB radio transmitting equipment, radio transmitting equipment that
transmits solely on Amateur Radio Service ("ARS") frequencies is not
subject
to equipment authorization requirements prior to manufacture or
marketing.
However, some radio transmitters that transmit in a portion of the
10-meter
band of the ARS (28.000 to 29.700 MHz) are equipped with rotary, toggle,
or
pushbutton switches mounted externally on the unit, which allow operation
in
the CB bands after completion of minor and trivial internal modifications
to
the equipment. To address these radios, the Commission adopted changes to
the CB type acceptance requirements by defining a "CB Transmitter" as "a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station
authorized
in the CB."

Despite these changes to the definition of a CB transmitter, Commission
enforcement agents continued to encounter non-certified CB transmitters
marketed as ARS transmitters. On May 13, 1996, the Commission's Office of
Engineering and Technology ("OET") released a Public Notice "to clarify
the
Commission's Rules regarding equipment that is intended to operate in
various radio services in the high frequency radio spectrum, including
'10-Meter'
Amateur Radio Service (ARS) equipment." The Notice stated that
transmitters
intended for operation on non-amateur frequencies must be approved prior
to
manufacture, importation or marketing. The Notice specifically included
ARS
transceivers designed "such that they can easily be modified by the users
to
extend the operating frequency range into the frequency bands" of the CB
and
other non-amateur radio services among those devices subject to equipment
authorization procedures. The Notice also stated that the Commission
considers these transceivers as intended to be operated on frequencies
where
the use of type accepted equipment is required "because of the simplicity
of
modifying them to extend their operating frequency range." The
Commission's
Office of General Counsel ("OGC") later released a letter on the
importation
and marketing of ARS transmitters, which clarified that such transmitters
that "have a built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies and can
easily
be altered to activate that capability, such as by moving or removing a
jumper plug or cutting a single wire" fall within the definition of "CB
transmitter" under Section 95.603(c) of the Rules and therefore require
certification prior to marketing or importation.

From December 9, 2001 through May 6, 2003, the Commission received four
complaints specifically naming Pilot Travel Centers as marketing
non-certified CB transceivers. From August 2001 through September 2002,
Enforcement Bureau field agents visited eleven Pilot retail outlets at
the
following locations: Sulphur Springs, Texas; Dallas, Texas; Weatherford,
Texas; Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite, California;
North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada; Barstow,
California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. At these
locations,
the stores displayed and offered for sale various models of non-certified
CB
transceivers marketed as ARS transmitters. Prior to the field visits, OET
had tested all of these models and found each of them to be non-certified
CB
transceivers.

As a result of agent inspections of Pilot retail stores from December 2,
1999 to September 6, 2002, Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued nine
Citations to Pilot. The Bureau issued one Citation to Pilot's corporate
headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee, and eight Citations to different
Pilot
retail outlets in Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite,
California; North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada;
Barstow, California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. Each of
these Citations advised Pilot of observed violations of the Commission's
equipment authorization and marketing rules, specifically, marketing
non-certified CB transceivers in violation of Section 302(b) of the Act
and
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules. The Citations warned Pilot that future
violations may subject Pilot to civil monetary forfeitures not to exceed
$11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation,
seizure of equipment through in rem forfeiture action, and criminal
sanctions including fines and imprisonment.

On December 7, 2001, the Enforcement Bureau's Dallas Field Office
("Dallas
Office") received from Pilot a response dated December 6, 2001 to the
Citation issued to Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville,
Tennessee.
The response from Pilot's Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary
stated that "[a]ll of the radios in question are marketed as amateur
radios
and, as sold, operate on the 10-meter amateur band. Part 97 of 47 C.F.R.,
not Part 95, governs these transceivers. Part 97 does not require type
acceptance of amateur radios." On January 28, 2002, the Dallas Office
mailed
a letter to Pilot's corporate headquarters addressing Pilot's response to
the Citation. The letter advised Pilot that the devices referred to in
the
Citation are intended for use on CB as well as ARS frequencies, because
they
have built-in design features which facilitate their operation on CB
frequencies by the exercise of simple, end-user accessible, modifications
to
the devices. The letter further advised that such devices are considered
CB
transmitters pursuant to Section 95.603(c) of the Rules, irrespective of
any
labeling purporting the devices to be "Amateur Radio Transceivers." The
Dallas Office received no further response from Pilot. In addition,
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices received five other responses from
Citations issued to Pilot, one response from Pilot's Vice President,
General
Counsel, and Secretary and four other responses from a Pilot Paralegal.
All
five responses similarly disputed the Commission's statements in the
Citations that Pilot illegally marketed non-certified CB transmitters.
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued follow-up responses to each of
these
letters advising Pilot that the devices in question are considered CB
transmitters and that marketing of the non-certified devices was not
lawful.

Subsequent to issuance of the above-mentioned Citations and follow-up
letters, from December 11, 2003 to July 3, 2004, Enforcement Bureau field
agents made seven visits to Pilot retail stores nationwide where Pilot
offered for sale non-certified models of Galaxy brand CB transceivers. As
noted above, OET had already tested these specific models and determined
them all to be dual use Amateur Radio and CB transmitters. Each of the
models could be modified to allow transmit capabilities on CB
frequencies.

On December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, Enforcement Bureau field agents
purchased
three Galaxy transceivers (models DX33HML, DX99V and DX66V, respectively)
from three different Pilot retail stores and had them tested by the
laboratory of OET. On April 1, 2004, the laboratory of OET issued an
evaluation report for each of the three purchased transceivers and found
that they were all non-certified CB transmitters.


III. Discussion


Section 302(b) of the Act provides that no person shall manufacture,
import,
sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home electronic equipment and
systems, or use devices, which fail to comply with regulations
promulgated
pursuant to this section. Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that:


(a) Except as provided elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or
lease, or offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or
lease),
or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or
offering for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless: (1) n
the
case of a device subject to certification, such device has been
authorized
by the Commission in accordance with the rules in this chapter and is
properly identified and labeled as required by § 2.925 and other relevant
sections in this chapter[.]


Section 95.603(c) of the Rules requires that "[e]ach CB transmitter (a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station
authorized
in the CB) must be certificated." Section 95.655(a) of the Rules states
that
"[n]o transmitter will be certificated for use in the CB service if it is
equipped with a frequency capability not [authorized for CB in Part 95 of
the Rules]." This section also states that "([CB t]ransmitters with
frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services . will not be
certificated.)" Additionally, Section 95.655(c) of the Rules prohibits
any
internal or external add-on device that functions to extend the
transmitting
frequency capability of a CB transmitter beyond its original capability.

Prior to October 2002, Pilot offered for sale various non-certified CB
transmitters at eleven of its retail outlets. Commission Field Offices
issued a total of nine Citations to Pilot's corporate headquarters and
its
retail outlets warning Pilot that future violations would subject Pilot
to
penalties including civil monetary forfeitures. Subsequently, in
forty-seven
separate instances from October 8, 2002 to July 3, 2004, Pilot offered
for
sale various models of non-certified Galaxy brand CB transmitters, which
had
all been tested and determined by OET to be non-certified CB
transmitters.
Although they were labeled as "amateur radios," the specified models of
Galaxy transmitters are CB transmitters, because each was designed to be
easily modified by the end user to allow operation on CB frequencies.
Additionally, in at least eleven of the forty-seven instances of
marketing
by Pilot, Pilot employees referred to the devices as "CB's."

Based on the evidence before us, we find that in thirteen instances --
six
on December 11, 2003, one each on December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, three on
March 25, 2004, and one on July 3, 2004 -- Pilot offered for sale
non-certified CB transmitters in apparent willful and repeated violation
of
Section 302(b) of the Act and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

Section 503(b) of the Act, authorizes the Commission to assess a
forfeiture
for each willful or repeated violation of the Act or of any rule,
regulation, or order issued by the Commission under the Act. In
exercising
such authority, we are to take into account "the nature, circumstances,
extent, and gravity of the violation and, with respect to the violator,
the
degree of culpability, any history of prior offenses, ability to pay, and
such other matters as justice may require."

Pursuant to The Commission's Forfeiture Policy Statement and Amendment of
Section 1.80 of the Rules to Incorporate the Forfeiture Guidelines
("Forfeiture Policy Statement") and Section 1.80 of the Rules, the base
forfeiture amount for marketing unauthorized equipment is $7,000 per
violation. Thus, the total base forfeiture amount for all of Pilot's
violations is $91,000.

We are concerned, however, with the pattern of apparent violations here.
Our
equipment authorization rules ensure that radio transmitters and other
electronic equipment comply with Commission technical requirements. The
proliferation of non-certified CB transmitters may result in interference
to
certified CB transmitters and other devices, thereby undermining the
effectiveness of our technical rules. Furthermore, we have previously
stated
that ARS equipment that can be easily modified to extend the operating
frequency range into CB frequency bands are CB transmitters subject to
equipment authorization procedures.

We are particularly troubled that Pilot continues to violate these rules
despite receiving nine Citations for marketing non-certified CB
transmitters. These Citations put Pilot on actual notice that marketing
of
this equipment is unlawful, yet Pilot intentionally continued to market
the
unlawful equipment. Pilot's continuing violations of the equipment
authorization requirements evince a pattern of intentional non-compliance
with and apparent disregard for these rules. Accordingly, we believe an
upward adjustment of the base forfeiture amount is warranted. Applying
the
Forfeiture Policy Statement and statutory factors (e.g., nature, extent
and
gravity of the violation and the history of prior offenses) to the
instant
case, we conclude that it is appropriate to propose a forfeiture of
$125,000
for Pilot's apparent violations. Therefore, we find Pilot apparently
liable
for a forfeiture in the amount of $125,000.

IV. ordering clauses


Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the
Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Section 1.80 of the
Commission's
Rules, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C. is hereby NOTIFIED of this APPARENT
LIABILITY FOR A FORFEITURE in the amount of one hundred and twenty-five
thousand dollars ($125,000) for willfully and repeatedly violating
Section
302(b) of the Act, and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 1.80 of the Rules, within
thirty days of the release date of this NAL, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.
SHALL PAY the full amount of the proposed forfeiture amount or SHALL FILE
a
written statement seeking reduction or cancellation of the proposed
forfeiture.

Payment of the forfeiture may be made by check or similar instrument,
payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission. The
payment
must include the NAL/Acct. No. and FRN No. referenced above. Payment by
check or money order may be mailed to Forfeiture Collection Section,
Finance
Branch, Federal Communications Commission, P.O. Box 73482, Chicago,
Illinois
60673-7482. Payment by overnight mail may be sent to Bank One/LB 73482,
525
West Monroe, 8th Floor Mailroom, Chicago, IL 60661. Payment by wire
transfer
may be made to ABA Number 071000013, receiving bank Bank One, and account
number 1165259. Requests for payment of the full amount of this Notice of
Apparent Liability under an installment plan should be sent to: Chief,
Revenue and Receivables Operations Group, 445 12th Street, S.W.,
Washington,
D.C. 20554.

The response if any must be mailed to Office of the Secretary, Federal
Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554,
ATTN: South Central Region Headquarters and must include the NAL/Acct.
No.
200532500001.

The Commission will not consider reducing or canceling a forfeiture in
response to a claim of inability to pay unless the petitioner submits:
(1)
federal tax returns for the most recent three-year period; (2) financial
statements prepared according to generally accepted accounting practices;
or
(3) some other reliable and objective documentation that accurately
reflects
the petitioner's current financial status. Any claim of inability to pay
must specifically identify the basis for the claim by reference to the
financial documentation submitted.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that a copy of this NAL shall be sent by regular
First
Class Mail and by Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to: Pilot
Travel
Centers L.L.C., 5508 Lonas Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37909.


FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION






Marlene H. Dortch

Secretary



ATTACHMENT



December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy models DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 16, 2003, Pilot center #95, Wildwood, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

8. December 17, 2003, Pilot center #94, Punta, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

9. December 18, 2003, Pilot center #328, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

10. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered
for
sale.

11. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for
sale.

12. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for
sale.

13. July 3, 2004, Pilot center #35, South Bend, Indiana. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.


HEHEHEHE...more keyclowns gonna cry now. Doncha love it!


Betcha slapped your little dinky while reading it too.



U Know Who November 24th 04 12:18 AM


"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge"
wrote in message ...
(Twistedhed) wrote in news:27344-41A35AD8-570
@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net:

As long as folks like Oxendine continue to accept this as enforcement,
nothing will change. Corporations get popped and pay fines all the

time.
It's accepted and often standard business practice in the USA and a
specialty of the right wing. The fine is listed as an expense at tax
time. The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines). Meanwhile,
the Oxendines of the land are easily fooled. Armed with a false sense
of superiority, Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.



No twisted ****ehad this is another step in ridding the truckers and
others of export radios. amp makers will be next, rome wasnt built in one
day


Right after the second coming of Christ, and just after Hell freezes over.



Steveo November 24th 04 12:31 AM

itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:
No twisted ****ehad this is another step in ridding the truckers and
others of export radios. amp makers will be next, rome wasnt built in one
day

Can ya pry them from cold dead fingers too? :D

Steveo November 24th 04 12:32 AM

"Leland C. Scott" wrote:
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).


Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers
may be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they
get busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and
that sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much
more than the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight
up the legal ladder. This would be the case to watch.

I think you can bankrupt on that one.

Lancer November 24th 04 12:34 AM

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 00:16:20 GMT, "U Know Who"
wrote:
[i]

"Psychiatrist to keyclowns" wrote in message
. com...
"Jerry" wrote in message
...
Before the

Federal Communications Commission

Washington, D.C. 20554

In the Matter of

Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.

Knoxville, Tennessee
)

)

)

)

)
File No. EB-03-DL-099

NAL/Acct. No. 200532500001

FRN # 0006096010






NOTICE OF APPARENT LIABILITY FOR FORFEITURE

Adopted: November 18, 2004 Released: November 22, 2004

By the Commission:

I. Introduction


In this Notice of Apparent Liability for Forfeiture ("NAL"), we find
Pilot
Travel Centers, L.L.C. ("Pilot") apparently liable for a forfeiture in
the
amount of one hundred twenty-five thousand dollars ($125,000) for willful
and repeated violations of Section 302(b) of the Communications Act of
1934,
as amended ("Act"), and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Commission's Rules
("Rules"). Specifically, we find Pilot apparently liable for offering for
sale radio frequency devices without the required Commission equipment
authorization.


II. background


Section 302 of the Act authorizes the Commission to make reasonable
regulations, consistent with the public interest, governing the
interference
potential of equipment that emits radio frequency energy, and prohibits,
inter alia, the offering for sale of radio frequency devices to the
extent
such activity does not comply with those regulations. The purpose of this
section is to ensure that radio transmitters and other electronic devices
meet certain standards to control interference before they reach the
market.
The Commission carries out its responsibilities under Section 302 in two
ways. First, the Commission establishes technical regulations for
transmitters and other equipment to minimize their potential for causing
interference to radio services. Second, the Commission administers an
equipment authorization program to ensure that equipment reaching the
market
complies with the technical requirements. The equipment authorization
program requires that equipment be tested either by the manufacturer or
at a
private test laboratory to ensure that it complies with the technical
requirements. For a large number of devices, including Citizens Band
("CB")
radio transmitting equipment, equipment may not be marketed within the
United States unless it has been tested and found to comply with
Commission
technical requirements, granted Commission Certification, and properly
labeled. "Marketing" includes the sale or lease, offer for sale or lease
(including advertising for sale or lease), importing, shipping, and/or
distribution for the purpose of selling or leasing or offering for sale
or
lease.

Unlike CB radio transmitting equipment, radio transmitting equipment that
transmits solely on Amateur Radio Service ("ARS") frequencies is not
subject
to equipment authorization requirements prior to manufacture or
marketing.
However, some radio transmitters that transmit in a portion of the
10-meter
band of the ARS (28.000 to 29.700 MHz) are equipped with rotary, toggle,
or
pushbutton switches mounted externally on the unit, which allow operation
in
the CB bands after completion of minor and trivial internal modifications
to
the equipment. To address these radios, the Commission adopted changes to
the CB type acceptance requirements by defining a "CB Transmitter" as "a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station
authorized
in the CB."

Despite these changes to the definition of a CB transmitter, Commission
enforcement agents continued to encounter non-certified CB transmitters
marketed as ARS transmitters. On May 13, 1996, the Commission's Office of
Engineering and Technology ("OET") released a Public Notice "to clarify
the
Commission's Rules regarding equipment that is intended to operate in
various radio services in the high frequency radio spectrum, including
'10-Meter'
Amateur Radio Service (ARS) equipment." The Notice stated that
transmitters
intended for operation on non-amateur frequencies must be approved prior
to
manufacture, importation or marketing. The Notice specifically included
ARS
transceivers designed "such that they can easily be modified by the users
to
extend the operating frequency range into the frequency bands" of the CB
and
other non-amateur radio services among those devices subject to equipment
authorization procedures. The Notice also stated that the Commission
considers these transceivers as intended to be operated on frequencies
where
the use of type accepted equipment is required "because of the simplicity
of
modifying them to extend their operating frequency range." The
Commission's
Office of General Counsel ("OGC") later released a letter on the
importation
and marketing of ARS transmitters, which clarified that such transmitters
that "have a built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies and can
easily
be altered to activate that capability, such as by moving or removing a
jumper plug or cutting a single wire" fall within the definition of "CB
transmitter" under Section 95.603(c) of the Rules and therefore require
certification prior to marketing or importation.

From December 9, 2001 through May 6, 2003, the Commission received four
complaints specifically naming Pilot Travel Centers as marketing
non-certified CB transceivers. From August 2001 through September 2002,
Enforcement Bureau field agents visited eleven Pilot retail outlets at
the
following locations: Sulphur Springs, Texas; Dallas, Texas; Weatherford,
Texas; Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite, California;
North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada; Barstow,
California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. At these
locations,
the stores displayed and offered for sale various models of non-certified
CB
transceivers marketed as ARS transmitters. Prior to the field visits, OET
had tested all of these models and found each of them to be non-certified
CB
transceivers.

As a result of agent inspections of Pilot retail stores from December 2,
1999 to September 6, 2002, Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued nine
Citations to Pilot. The Bureau issued one Citation to Pilot's corporate
headquarters in Knoxville, Tennessee, and eight Citations to different
Pilot
retail outlets in Brooks, Oregon; Casa Grande, California; Quartzsite,
California; North Palm Springs, California; North Las Vegas, Nevada;
Barstow, California; Boron, California; and Hesperia, California. Each of
these Citations advised Pilot of observed violations of the Commission's
equipment authorization and marketing rules, specifically, marketing
non-certified CB transceivers in violation of Section 302(b) of the Act
and
Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules. The Citations warned Pilot that future
violations may subject Pilot to civil monetary forfeitures not to exceed
$11,000 for each such violation or each day of a continuing violation,
seizure of equipment through in rem forfeiture action, and criminal
sanctions including fines and imprisonment.

On December 7, 2001, the Enforcement Bureau's Dallas Field Office
("Dallas
Office") received from Pilot a response dated December 6, 2001 to the
Citation issued to Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville,
Tennessee.
The response from Pilot's Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary
stated that "[a]ll of the radios in question are marketed as amateur
radios
and, as sold, operate on the 10-meter amateur band. Part 97 of 47 C.F.R.,
not Part 95, governs these transceivers. Part 97 does not require type
acceptance of amateur radios." On January 28, 2002, the Dallas Office
mailed
a letter to Pilot's corporate headquarters addressing Pilot's response to
the Citation. The letter advised Pilot that the devices referred to in
the
Citation are intended for use on CB as well as ARS frequencies, because
they
have built-in design features which facilitate their operation on CB
frequencies by the exercise of simple, end-user accessible, modifications
to
the devices. The letter further advised that such devices are considered
CB
transmitters pursuant to Section 95.603(c) of the Rules, irrespective of
any
labeling purporting the devices to be "Amateur Radio Transceivers." The
Dallas Office received no further response from Pilot. In addition,
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices received five other responses from
Citations issued to Pilot, one response from Pilot's Vice President,
General
Counsel, and Secretary and four other responses from a Pilot Paralegal.
All
five responses similarly disputed the Commission's statements in the
Citations that Pilot illegally marketed non-certified CB transmitters.
Enforcement Bureau Field Offices issued follow-up responses to each of
these
letters advising Pilot that the devices in question are considered CB
transmitters and that marketing of the non-certified devices was not
lawful.

Subsequent to issuance of the above-mentioned Citations and follow-up
letters, from December 11, 2003 to July 3, 2004, Enforcement Bureau field
agents made seven visits to Pilot retail stores nationwide where Pilot
offered for sale non-certified models of Galaxy brand CB transceivers. As
noted above, OET had already tested these specific models and determined
them all to be dual use Amateur Radio and CB transmitters. Each of the
models could be modified to allow transmit capabilities on CB
frequencies.

On December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, Enforcement Bureau field agents
purchased
three Galaxy transceivers (models DX33HML, DX99V and DX66V, respectively)
from three different Pilot retail stores and had them tested by the
laboratory of OET. On April 1, 2004, the laboratory of OET issued an
evaluation report for each of the three purchased transceivers and found
that they were all non-certified CB transmitters.


III. Discussion


Section 302(b) of the Act provides that no person shall manufacture,
import,
sell, offer for sale, or ship devices or home electronic equipment and
systems, or use devices, which fail to comply with regulations
promulgated
pursuant to this section. Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules provides that:


(a) Except as provided elsewhere in this section, no person shall sell or
lease, or offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or
lease),
or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing or
offering for sale or lease, any radio frequency device unless: (1) n
the
case of a device subject to certification, such device has been
authorized
by the Commission in accordance with the rules in this chapter and is
properly identified and labeled as required by § 2.925 and other relevant
sections in this chapter[.]


Section 95.603(c) of the Rules requires that "[e]ach CB transmitter (a
transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station
authorized
in the CB) must be certificated." Section 95.655(a) of the Rules states
that
"[n]o transmitter will be certificated for use in the CB service if it is
equipped with a frequency capability not [authorized for CB in Part 95 of
the Rules]." This section also states that "([CB t]ransmitters with
frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services . will not be
certificated.)" Additionally, Section 95.655(c) of the Rules prohibits
any
internal or external add-on device that functions to extend the
transmitting
frequency capability of a CB transmitter beyond its original capability.

Prior to October 2002, Pilot offered for sale various non-certified CB
transmitters at eleven of its retail outlets. Commission Field Offices
issued a total of nine Citations to Pilot's corporate headquarters and
its
retail outlets warning Pilot that future violations would subject Pilot
to
penalties including civil monetary forfeitures. Subsequently, in
forty-seven
separate instances from October 8, 2002 to July 3, 2004, Pilot offered
for
sale various models of non-certified Galaxy brand CB transmitters, which
had
all been tested and determined by OET to be non-certified CB
transmitters.
Although they were labeled as "amateur radios," the specified models of
Galaxy transmitters are CB transmitters, because each was designed to be
easily modified by the end user to allow operation on CB frequencies.
Additionally, in at least eleven of the forty-seven instances of
marketing
by Pilot, Pilot employees referred to the devices as "CB's."

Based on the evidence before us, we find that in thirteen instances --
six
on December 11, 2003, one each on December 16, 17, and 18, 2003, three on
March 25, 2004, and one on July 3, 2004 -- Pilot offered for sale
non-certified CB transmitters in apparent willful and repeated violation
of
Section 302(b) of the Act and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

Section 503(b) of the Act, authorizes the Commission to assess a
forfeiture
for each willful or repeated violation of the Act or of any rule,
regulation, or order issued by the Commission under the Act. In
exercising
such authority, we are to take into account "the nature, circumstances,
extent, and gravity of the violation and, with respect to the violator,
the
degree of culpability, any history of prior offenses, ability to pay, and
such other matters as justice may require."

Pursuant to The Commission's Forfeiture Policy Statement and Amendment of
Section 1.80 of the Rules to Incorporate the Forfeiture Guidelines
("Forfeiture Policy Statement") and Section 1.80 of the Rules, the base
forfeiture amount for marketing unauthorized equipment is $7,000 per
violation. Thus, the total base forfeiture amount for all of Pilot's
violations is $91,000.

We are concerned, however, with the pattern of apparent violations here.
Our
equipment authorization rules ensure that radio transmitters and other
electronic equipment comply with Commission technical requirements. The
proliferation of non-certified CB transmitters may result in interference
to
certified CB transmitters and other devices, thereby undermining the
effectiveness of our technical rules. Furthermore, we have previously
stated
that ARS equipment that can be easily modified to extend the operating
frequency range into CB frequency bands are CB transmitters subject to
equipment authorization procedures.

We are particularly troubled that Pilot continues to violate these rules
despite receiving nine Citations for marketing non-certified CB
transmitters. These Citations put Pilot on actual notice that marketing
of
this equipment is unlawful, yet Pilot intentionally continued to market
the
unlawful equipment. Pilot's continuing violations of the equipment
authorization requirements evince a pattern of intentional non-compliance
with and apparent disregard for these rules. Accordingly, we believe an
upward adjustment of the base forfeiture amount is warranted. Applying
the
Forfeiture Policy Statement and statutory factors (e.g., nature, extent
and
gravity of the violation and the history of prior offenses) to the
instant
case, we conclude that it is appropriate to propose a forfeiture of
$125,000
for Pilot's apparent violations. Therefore, we find Pilot apparently
liable
for a forfeiture in the amount of $125,000.

IV. ordering clauses


Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 503(b) of the
Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and Section 1.80 of the
Commission's
Rules, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C. is hereby NOTIFIED of this APPARENT
LIABILITY FOR A FORFEITURE in the amount of one hundred and twenty-five
thousand dollars ($125,000) for willfully and repeatedly violating
Section
302(b) of the Act, and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, pursuant to Section 1.80 of the Rules, within
thirty days of the release date of this NAL, Pilot Travel Centers, L.L.C.
SHALL PAY the full amount of the proposed forfeiture amount or SHALL FILE
a
written statement seeking reduction or cancellation of the proposed
forfeiture.

Payment of the forfeiture may be made by check or similar instrument,
payable to the order of the Federal Communications Commission. The
payment
must include the NAL/Acct. No. and FRN No. referenced above. Payment by
check or money order may be mailed to Forfeiture Collection Section,
Finance
Branch, Federal Communications Commission, P.O. Box 73482, Chicago,
Illinois
60673-7482. Payment by overnight mail may be sent to Bank One/LB 73482,
525
West Monroe, 8th Floor Mailroom, Chicago, IL 60661. Payment by wire
transfer
may be made to ABA Number 071000013, receiving bank Bank One, and account
number 1165259. Requests for payment of the full amount of this Notice of
Apparent Liability under an installment plan should be sent to: Chief,
Revenue and Receivables Operations Group, 445 12th Street, S.W.,
Washington,
D.C. 20554.

The response if any must be mailed to Office of the Secretary, Federal
Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., Washington, D.C. 20554,
ATTN: South Central Region Headquarters and must include the NAL/Acct.
No.
200532500001.

The Commission will not consider reducing or canceling a forfeiture in
response to a claim of inability to pay unless the petitioner submits:
(1)
federal tax returns for the most recent three-year period; (2) financial
statements prepared according to generally accepted accounting practices;
or
(3) some other reliable and objective documentation that accurately
reflects
the petitioner's current financial status. Any claim of inability to pay
must specifically identify the basis for the claim by reference to the
financial documentation submitted.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that a copy of this NAL shall be sent by regular
First
Class Mail and by Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to: Pilot
Travel
Centers L.L.C., 5508 Lonas Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee 37909.


FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION






Marlene H. Dortch

Secretary



ATTACHMENT



December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #320, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy models DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.

December 11, 2003, Pilot center #433, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceivers Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for sale.

December 16, 2003, Pilot center #95, Wildwood, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

8. December 17, 2003, Pilot center #94, Punta, Florida. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

9. December 18, 2003, Pilot center #328, Dallas, Texas. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed, offered for sale, and sold.

10. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX33HML displayed and offered
for
sale.

11. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for
sale.

12. March 25, 2004, Pilot center #460, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
Non-certified CB transceiver Galaxy model DX99V displayed and offered for
sale.

13. July 3, 2004, Pilot center #35, South Bend, Indiana. Non-certified CB
transceiver Galaxy model DX66V displayed and offered for sale.


HEHEHEHE...more keyclowns gonna cry now. Doncha love it!


Betcha slapped your little dinky while reading it too.


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

Lancer November 24th 04 01:23 AM

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..


really which ones??


Exit 470, I-20

Steveo November 24th 04 01:30 AM

Lancer wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..


really which ones??


Exit 470, I-20

Exit 4/20 too.

Lancer November 24th 04 01:44 AM

On 24 Nov 2004 01:30:45 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??


Exit 470, I-20

Exit 4/20 too.


Is that in Ohio? 470 is just south of Dallas.

Lancer November 24th 04 02:08 AM

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 01:44:39 GMT, Lancer wrote:

On 24 Nov 2004 01:30:45 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??

Exit 470, I-20

Exit 4/20 too.


Is that in Ohio? 470 is just south of Dallas.


Didn't look close enough at your post, 20 doesn't run though Ohio..

harvey November 24th 04 02:16 AM


"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge"
wrote in message |
|
| Betcha slapped your little dinky while reading it too.
|
| more homo sexual innuendos
|
hmmm...masterbating is now gay?????????..i know i think of females when i do
it......or does it jus bring gay thoughts to you when someone mentions
wanking?
glad pilot centers arnt taking this to serious...:)
their prices arnt too bad when you figure u dont have to pay shipping thats
over inflated...nice catalog too, in color no less...:)
thx akc for more pretty pictures to look at..:)
harv



harvey November 24th 04 02:23 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
| "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| ...
| The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
|
| Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers
| may be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they
| get busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and
| that sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much
| more than the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the
fight
| up the legal ladder. This would be the case to watch.
|
| I think you can bankrupt on that one.

when you check out what the fine is for a gas spill from the EPA , the fine
thats being paid for the radios isnt even pocket change...they wont sweat it
and they are all company operated centers, none are franchised...
harv



harvey November 24th 04 02:32 AM


"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| ...
| The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
|
| Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers
may
| be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
| busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and that
| sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more
than
| the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the
legal
| ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| --
| Leland C. Scott
| KC8LDO
|
i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just shrug
this off....
harv



Steveo November 24th 04 02:49 AM

"harvey" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
| "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| ...
| The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
|
| Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for
| repeated violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot
| Travel centers may be wholly own franchises where the owner has to
| pay the fine if they get busted. The real fine is having to go to
| court to fight the FCC, and that sounds like what may happen. When it
| does it could cost them much more than the $125K fine depending on
| how far they want to take the
fight
| up the legal ladder. This would be the case to watch.
|
| I think you can bankrupt on that one.

when you check out what the fine is for a gas spill from the EPA , the
fine thats being paid for the radios isnt even pocket change...they wont
sweat it and they are all company operated centers, none are
franchised... harv

Tell me about it..Pesticide trucks draw more attention for spill clean-up
and on-site license. I pride myself in compliance with that, mostly for the
applicator exposure. The LD-50 on most of the pesticides we use are at
least 3000 or higher, so you'd have to eat/drink massive amounts to kill
you.

Long term effect is bad typing.

Steveo November 24th 04 03:09 AM

Lancer wrote:
Didn't look close enough at your post, 20 doesn't run though Ohio..

Dunno about thru, but 20 is a major vain in my part of Ohio.

harvey November 24th 04 03:13 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
| "harvey" wrote:
| "Steveo" wrote in message
| ...
| | "Leland C. Scott" wrote:
| | "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| | ...
| | The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| | feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
| |
| | Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for
| | repeated violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot
| | Travel centers may be wholly own franchises where the owner has to
| | pay the fine if they get busted. The real fine is having to go to
| | court to fight the FCC, and that sounds like what may happen. When
it
| | does it could cost them much more than the $125K fine depending on
| | how far they want to take the
| fight
| | up the legal ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| |
| | I think you can bankrupt on that one.
|
| when you check out what the fine is for a gas spill from the EPA , the
| fine thats being paid for the radios isnt even pocket change...they wont
| sweat it and they are all company operated centers, none are
| franchised... harv
|
| Tell me about it..Pesticide trucks draw more attention for spill clean-up
| and on-site license. I pride myself in compliance with that, mostly for
the
| applicator exposure. The LD-50 on most of the pesticides we use are at
| least 3000 or higher, so you'd have to eat/drink massive amounts to kill
| you.
|
| Long term effect is bad typing.

i know as i get older its harder to hit seperate keys and its also according
to my thc levels.....hehe
buit then again the exposure to all the junk i used in the service i know
doesnt help matters..any one ever use green death or red lead? does wonders
for your health
harv



Steveo November 24th 04 03:40 AM

"harvey" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
| Long term effect is bad typing.

i know as i get older its harder to hit seperate keys and its also
according to my thc levels.....hehe

I wuz talking about my typing.

Leland C. Scott November 24th 04 03:43 AM


"harvey" wrote in message
.. .

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| ...
| The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
|
| Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel centers
may
| be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
| busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and

that
| sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more
than
| the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the
legal
| ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| --
| Leland C. Scott
| KC8LDO
|
i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just

shrug
this off....
harv


For a large company yeah you're right. But then again if one of the
executives ends up in jail, which they can, then taking the radios off the
shelf would have looked like the smart thing to do and then just shrug it
off. Lately the government likes throwing white collar company executives in
jail for wrong doing. After all just how much money are they going to
realistically loose anyway from dumping the questionable radios from their
sales line up? Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to play hard-ball I
expect they will just do what the FCC told them to do, and not waste any
more time or money on something that won't materially affect their bottom
line.


--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft



harvey November 24th 04 04:33 AM


"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
| "harvey" wrote in message
| .. .
|
| "Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Twistedhed" wrote in message
| | ...
| | The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
| | feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).
| |
| | Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty comes up for repeated
| | violations. Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot Travel
centers
| may
| | be wholly own franchises where the owner has to pay the fine if they
get
| | busted. The real fine is having to go to court to fight the FCC, and
| that
| | sounds like what may happen. When it does it could cost them much more
| than
| | the $125K fine depending on how far they want to take the fight up the
| legal
| | ladder. This would be the case to watch.
| | --
| | Leland C. Scott
| | KC8LDO
| |
| i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just
| shrug
| this off....
| harv
|
| For a large company yeah you're right. But then again if one of the
| executives ends up in jail, which they can, then taking the radios off the
| shelf would have looked like the smart thing to do and then just shrug it
| off. Lately the government likes throwing white collar company executives
in
| jail for wrong doing. After all just how much money are they going to
| realistically loose anyway from dumping the questionable radios from their
| sales line up? Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to play hard-ball
I
| expect they will just do what the FCC told them to do, and not waste any
| more time or money on something that won't materially affect their bottom
| line.
|
|
| --
| Leland C. Scott
| KC8LDO
|
| Wireless Network
| Mobile computing
| on the go brought
| to you by Micro$oft
|
|i'll have to agree with ya on that leland-wouldnt ya like to be the fly on
the wall and hear the conversation that happens when they pull in the guy or
gal who decided to add them to their line-up on the selves...lol....fingers
may be pointing all over the place..lol
harv



harvey November 24th 04 04:34 AM


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
| "harvey" wrote:
| "Steveo" wrote in message
| | Long term effect is bad typing.
|
| i know as i get older its harder to hit seperate keys and its also
| according to my thc levels.....hehe
|
| I wuz talking about my typing.
i know and i was kinda giving an excuse fer mine..:D



Lancer November 24th 04 12:58 PM

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:55:49 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
news.com:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
synews.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??


Exit 470, I-20


This one??
Store No. 433
Address 8787 South Lancaster Road
Dallas, TX 75241
Interstate I-20, Exit 470
Phone (972) 228-2467
Fax (972) 228-4386



Don't know about the store number or phone number, but thats where its
located.

Rambling Man November 24th 04 02:17 PM


"Lancer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:55:49 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
ynews.com:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
asynews.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??

Exit 470, I-20


This one??
Store No. 433
Address 8787 South Lancaster Road
Dallas, TX 75241
Interstate I-20, Exit 470
Phone (972) 228-2467
Fax (972) 228-4386



Don't know about the store number or phone number, but thats where its
located.


I "believe" the store in Bentleyville PA is as well - Just off I-70. I was
there a couple weeks ago and some of the radios I seen in the display
"appeared" to be some of the brands known to be not so legal. But that was a
couple weeks ago, they may have pulled them by now. But there is a Truck
Stop not far from there - a hole in the wall set up, with a CB shop that
sells those sorts of sets also. It's in Madison, PA also off I-70. I know
people who've bought or were informed when asked about - linears being on
stock. They make little attempt to hide that fact. Or the fact of beefing up
radios. I think if memory serves me correct, they display the illegal radios
right out in the open.

Rambling man



Twistedhed November 24th 04 03:33 PM

From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the feds
pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).

Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty


comes up for repeated violations.




Large corporations pay fines opposed to having their folks go to jail.
The obvious exceptions were the Michael Milkens.


Also don't overlook that some of those Pilot


Travel centers may be wholly own franchises


where the owner has to pay the fine if they get
busted.




That's not how it works with franchises. Franchises are required to
carry certain items. The mother corporation usually absorbs any such
fines. The ceiling is built-in to these companies as a cost of doing
business. A paltry
125k, such as the figure you mention, is nothing
at all to the corporation. When their ceiling is reached, only then can
the method be effective. Nothing has changed since the seventies
regarding enforcement,,,,not a damn thing. The amount of convictions
(per the FCC) is actually less than the seventies and the only fines
that have been increased (in frequency) are the ones against commerical
broadcasters.


The real fine is having to go to court to fight


the FCC, and that sounds like what may


happen.




Not by these large corporations. They pay the fine and forget about it
instantaneously.


When it does it could cost them much more


than the $125K fine depending on how far


they want to take the fight up the legal ladder.


This would be the case to watch.




The fines are paid and its business as usual.
These companies usually don't fight these fines. In fact, there is no
large corporation has lodged such a court room battle (which you speak
of concerning radio gear, amps, etc) for the exact reason you
mention...it is much easier tand cheaper to pay the fine and
continue,,,,,business-as-usual.
The ONLY way to change this is via legislation, and we all know the
angry hammie who is pre-occupied with such nonsense is merely reactive,
not proactive.
Again, if ANYTHING changed since the seventies regarding enforcement,
it is that now is the best time as any to buy a radio and begin
freebanding. Enforcement is practically non-existent unless you draw
major attention to yourself with splatter and bleed.
Business as usual, and with the cooler weather comes the skip,,,,,27.555
is kicking up major contacts again and no one on the freq is remotely
concerned with a single hammie's angry, jealous, errant, and reactive
behavior.
Happy holidays.

--
Leland C. Scott


KC8LDO


Wireless Network


Mobile computing


on the go brought


to you by Micro$oft



Twistedhed November 24th 04 03:43 PM

From: pam
(itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge)
(Twistedhed) wrote in news:27344-41A35AD8-570
@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net:
As long as folks like Oxendine continue to accept this as enforcement,
nothing will change. Corporations get popped and pay fines all the time.
It's accepted and often standard business practice in the USA and a
specialty of the right wing. The fine is listed as an expense at tax
time. The large corporations continue to do business as usual while the
feds pacify insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines). Meanwhile,
the Oxendines of the land are easily fooled. Armed with a false sense of
superiority, Oxendine, in all actuality, is saying,
"Thank-you-sir-my-I-have-another?", when he is unable to grasp exactly
what it is he just received. Cut him some slack. He's in a learning
process.

No twisted ****ehad



Oh,,I didn't mean to anger your impotent self. Try and get that admitted
communication deficit under control and stop permitting your emotions
to dictate your behavior.


this is another step in ridding the truckers and
others of export radios. amp makers will be


next, rome wasnt built in one day





Correct, it was brought down in one day. Rome burned while Nero fiddled.
I'm your dj. Enjoy the music, as the song remains the same and has since
the seventies. You aren't permitted near the turntable, so do the only
thing you can,,,,,go back to your corner and bitch about the tunes and
blame me for your misery.


Twistedhed November 24th 04 03:47 PM

From: pam
(itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge)
Lancer wrote in
ews.com:
He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??


All of them. The Galaxys are still on the shelf all over SC. In fact,
the "enforcement" was totally transparent to most of the
Pilots,,,,LMAO...most of them aren't even aware what took place
regarding the FCC. Remember, this information is all new to you,,you're
still in that learning process.


Twistedhed November 24th 04 04:00 PM

From: (Leland=A0C.=A0Scott)
"harvey" wrote in message
.. .
"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
| "Twistedhed" wrote in message |
... | The large
corporations continue to do business as usual while the feds pacify
insignificants with smoke and mirrors (fines).

Except when the "go to jail" part of the penalty
comes up for repeated | violations. Also don't


overlook that some of those Pilot Travel


centers may


be wholly own franchises where the owner


has to pay the fine if they get | busted. The


real fine is having to go to court to fight the


FCC, and that sounds like what may happen.


When it does it could cost them much more


than


the $125K fine depending on how far they


want to take the fight up the legal


ladder. This would be the case to watch.


=A0--


Leland C. Scott


KC8LDO


(i think a company whose one branch makes over 5 billion a yr will just
shrug this off....
harv )
_
For a large company yeah you're right. But


then again if one of the executives ends up in


jail, which they can, then taking the radios off


the shelf would have looked like the smart


thing to do and then just shrug it off.



But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC. You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.



Lately the government likes throwing white


collar company executives in jail for wrong


doing.



Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


After all just how much money are they going


to realistically loose anyway from dumping the
questionable radios from their sales line up?





Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.

Not much is my guess. If the FCC chooses to


play hard-ball I expect they will just do what


the FCC told them to do, and not waste any


more time or money on something that won't


materially affect their bottom line.



Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement. In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words, but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


--


Leland C. Scott


KC8LDO


Wireless Network


Mobile computing


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I Am Not George November 24th 04 07:33 PM

"Rambling Man" wrote in message .verio.net...
"Lancer" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:55:49 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
ynews.com:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:56:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Lancer wrote in
asynews.com:


He might slap it more if he knew that Pilots were still selling those
radios. HEHEHEHE..

really which ones??

Exit 470, I-20


This one??
Store No. 433
Address 8787 South Lancaster Road
Dallas, TX 75241
Interstate I-20, Exit 470
Phone (972) 228-2467
Fax (972) 228-4386



Don't know about the store number or phone number, but thats where its
located.


I "believe" the store in Bentleyville PA is as well - Just off I-70. I was
there a couple weeks ago and some of the radios I seen in the display
"appeared" to be some of the brands known to be not so legal. But that was a
couple weeks ago, they may have pulled them by now. But there is a Truck
Stop not far from there - a hole in the wall set up, with a CB shop that
sells those sorts of sets also. It's in Madison, PA also off I-70. I know
people who've bought or were informed when asked about - linears being on
stock. They make little attempt to hide that fact. Or the fact of beefing up
radios. I think if memory serves me correct, they display the illegal radios
right out in the open.

Rambling man


Rambling man whats the name and address of that CB shop in madison, is
is bobs CB shop? dont worry about them getting FCC fines twistedhed
says it is part of doing business they can asorb it lol

Leland C. Scott November 24th 04 10:15 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC.


Not really. Take a look at the other enforcement actions for such things as
tower height and lighting etc.

You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.


The FCC's aim is not to put anybody out of business, but to bring them in to
compliance with FCC regulations.

Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


I don't have any at my finger tips, but that doesn't mean that there aren't
any. And if by chance there are non there is always a first time. As they
say with investing "past performance is no indication of future returns", in
other words they, the FCC, could do so at their discretion.

Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.


I was referring to lost profits from removing the product line from their
travel centers.

Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement.


I remember comments being offered up a year or two ago along the line that
the FCC wasn't going to do anything about 10m intruders. Looks like they are
doing something now. Assuming that the FCC won't get more aggressive in the
future is not being smart. All it takes is a change in the leadership of the
FCC. Imagine if a new FCC chairmen is appointed, and is a Ham with an ax to
grind about the present situation?


In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words,


Well what exactly did he say? I'm sure others would like to read the
comments for themselves and make their own determination. I know I would. I
have been to some Hamfests where he was a guest speaker, and I don't get the
impression that you got.

but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


And just what "type" is that? I'm not an apologist for Jerry but I see his
point. If he has to be a thorn in the FCC's Butt, so be it. I have yet to
see any government agency that didn't perform better if wasn't for some
citizen getting on their case about doing the job they are being paid to do.


--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft



Leland C. Scott November 24th 04 10:37 PM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
Large corporations pay fines opposed to having their folks go to jail.
The obvious exceptions were the Michael Milkens.


You forgot about the savings and loan scandals, the Enron executives going
to jail, Martha Stewart etc.

That's not how it works with franchises. Franchises are required to
carry certain items.


But not all items. How many time have you heard, but never really paid
attention to, the statement at the end of commercials etc. that states "At
participating stores"? Just because it is a franchise doesn't automatically
mean they carry everything a company own store does. In fact I've been in
many Pilot Travel centers and I specifically check the two-way radio section
out just for fun. Funny how some of them you don't see even one of those
import radios the FCC has fined Pilot over.

The fines are paid and its business as usual.
These companies usually don't fight these fines. In fact, there is no
large corporation has lodged such a court room battle (which you speak
of concerning radio gear, amps, etc) for the exact reason you
mention...it is much easier tand cheaper to pay the fine and
continue,,,,,business-as-usual.


After they remove the offending product. Look how skittish the TV stations
are after the Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction". It was only a $550K fine
to the network. I'm sure it didn't dent their bank account very much. It
wasn't much bigger than the fine that Pilot got. The networks are running
scared about what they show on the air to the point where some local
stations wouldn't air the uncut movie "Saving Private Ryan" for veterans day
because they were afraid they would get slapped with another fine.


--
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KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
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Leland C. Scott November 25th 04 02:38 AM


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
The ONLY way to change this is via legislation, and we all know the
angry hammie who is pre-occupied with such nonsense is merely reactive,
not proactive.


As silly as it is it just so happens that its the "angry hammie", a.k.a. the
ARRL, that is going to save the CBer's behind. What I'm talking about is the
direction the FCC is going in regards to the BPL issue. Whether you like it
or not BPL is going to affect everybody using HF, irregardless if they so
happen to be a Ham or CBer.

It would be much more productive if the bandwidth on this news group wasn't
wasted debating the same old issues, but instead joining together in a
united front to fight the FCC, and the deep pocket corporations, wanting to
pollute the airwaves with RF trash from the digital signals on the power
lines using BPL.The CBers really need some kind of national origination to
represent their interests. Right now they're getting a free ride, so to
speak, courtesy of the ARRL. Anything that benefits the Ham community in
regards to stopping BPL also benefits CBers as well since your band, 11m, is
right there next to the 10m Ham band. Both bands would be heavily affect by
BPL noise. Just something for you to think about while you're ready to pound
away at your keyboard in response.


--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
on the go brought
to you by Micro$oft


Again, if ANYTHING changed since the seventies regarding enforcement,
it is that now is the best time as any to buy a radio and begin
freebanding. Enforcement is practically non-existent unless you draw
major attention to yourself with splatter and bleed.
Business as usual, and with the cooler weather comes the skip,,,,,27.555
is kicking up major contacts again and no one on the freq is remotely
concerned with a single hammie's angry, jealous, errant, and reactive
behavior.
Happy holidays.

--
Leland C. Scott


KC8LDO


Wireless Network


Mobile computing


on the go brought


to you by Micro$oft




Frank Gilliland November 25th 04 04:01 AM

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:15:29 -0500, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote in :


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC.


Not really. Take a look at the other enforcement actions for such things as
tower height and lighting etc.



Enforcement is but a shadow of what it once was. Back in the early
'60s the FCC would yank your CB license and/or slap you with a fine
just for violating the time-out rule, and they popped hoardes of CBers
for that and many other minor violations.

Looking at the enforcement efforts of the FCC for the past several
years there are two trends that become apparent: the number of FCC
enforcement actions have been steadily declining, and the fines have
been steadily increasing. You might also notice that lately the FCC
rarely fines any person or company an amount that's beyond their means
to pay. It should be glaringly obvious that the primary focus of the
FCC is on the money, not on the enforcement. I wouldn't be suprised if
the FCC performs financial background checks before issuing NALs. The
FCC could do far more to enforce the regulations than their occasional
shakedown tour in the vice district.


You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.


The FCC's aim is not to put anybody out of business, but to bring them in to
compliance with FCC regulations.



Think about it: a federal agency with the power to execute searches
without a warrant, impose penalties without due process, and make up
their own rules as they go; yet the violations continue unabated. And
the only benefits from their actions are seen by the Treasury Dept.


Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


I don't have any at my finger tips, but that doesn't mean that there aren't
any. And if by chance there are non there is always a first time. As they
say with investing "past performance is no indication of future returns", in
other words they, the FCC, could do so at their discretion.



They won't. If they did there would be constitutional challenges to
their rules and the FCC would probably lose -- at the very least it
would be a costly trial. That's also why the fines are never enough to
incite any legal challenge in the courts, or to people and companies
that do not have the financial resources to mount such a challenge.


Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.


I was referring to lost profits from removing the product line from their
travel centers.

Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement.


I remember comments being offered up a year or two ago along the line that
the FCC wasn't going to do anything about 10m intruders. Looks like they are
doing something now.



A token effort, just enough to keep the hammies thinking that they
aren't being ignored.


Assuming that the FCC won't get more aggressive in the
future is not being smart. All it takes is a change in the leadership of the
FCC. Imagine if a new FCC chairmen is appointed, and is a Ham with an ax to
grind about the present situation?



The chairman has very little power to change the workings of the FCC.
It is the commission as a whole that has the power in that agency, and
therefore it is controlled by whomever controls the commissioners.
Since there is so much corporate interest in the other aspects of the
FCC, the ARS and CB will always be generally ignored -regardless- of
who sits in the big chair.


In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words,


Well what exactly did he say? I'm sure others would like to read the
comments for themselves and make their own determination. I know I would. I
have been to some Hamfests where he was a guest speaker, and I don't get the
impression that you got.

but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


And just what "type" is that? I'm not an apologist for Jerry but I see his
point. If he has to be a thorn in the FCC's Butt, so be it. I have yet to
see any government agency that didn't perform better if wasn't for some
citizen getting on their case about doing the job they are being paid to do.



Jerry has chosen a course of action. I may not agree that it's the
-best- course of action, but then I'm not a ham and don't see things
from his perspective. I -am- a CBer, and IMO you can stick a much
bigger thorn in the FCC's ass if you pester your congressional rep. It
still won't get anything accomplished, but at least you're forcing the
FCC to answer to someone with some authority.







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Leland C. Scott November 25th 04 05:12 AM


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:15:29 -0500, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote in :


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC.


Not really. Take a look at the other enforcement actions for such things

as
tower height and lighting etc.



Enforcement is but a shadow of what it once was. Back in the early
'60s the FCC would yank your CB license and/or slap you with a fine
just for violating the time-out rule, and they popped hoardes of CBers
for that and many other minor violations.

Looking at the enforcement efforts of the FCC for the past several
years there are two trends that become apparent: the number of FCC
enforcement actions have been steadily declining, and the fines have
been steadily increasing.


That I have heard mentioned before with the addtional comment being that
this is the case due to lack of funds. That could explaine why the fines
have been going up I suppose.

You might also notice that lately the FCC
rarely fines any person or company an amount that's beyond their means
to pay. It should be glaringly obvious that the primary focus of the
FCC is on the money, not on the enforcement. I wouldn't be suprised if
the FCC performs financial background checks before issuing NALs.


If you read the enforcement logs you'll see where they say you have to
supply them with a copy of your tax return if you claim you can't pay the
fine.

The
FCC could do far more to enforce the regulations than their occasional
shakedown tour in the vice district.


Agreed.




You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.


The FCC's aim is not to put anybody out of business, but to bring them in

to
compliance with FCC regulations.



Think about it: a federal agency with the power to execute searches
without a warrant,


Big deal. If you read the terms of the license grant from the FCC the
licensee agrees to station inspections, i.e. without a warrant, so the
licensee doesn't have a bone to pick. They knew the rules of the game before
hand.

impose penalties without due process,


Oh, there is due process. If you don't like the fine then you can go to
court. Not much different when you get popped for speeding. Don't like the
ticket then talk to the judge.

and make up
their own rules as they go;


The rules are clearly spelled out in CFR 47.

yet the violations continue unabated. And
the only benefits from their actions are seen by the Treasury Dept.


The problems don't seem to be limited to just the FCC regulations. For
example look at your speedometer the next time you're out driving, the
posted speed limits, and the other drivers on the road. Seems like more cops
on the road doesn't deter many from doing 80+ MPH on the expressways.



Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


I don't have any at my finger tips, but that doesn't mean that there

aren't
any. And if by chance there are non there is always a first time. As they
say with investing "past performance is no indication of future returns",

in
other words they, the FCC, could do so at their discretion.



They won't. If they did there would be constitutional challenges to
their rules and the FCC would probably lose


I doubt it. When they have the violator on audio tape with signal strenght
readings, frequency counter readings, spectrum analyzer screen shots etc,
when they go to court they're cooked. Besides, were in the constitution does
it say that a citizen has the right to use a radio transmitter, much less in
any maner they choose? If it isn't there then there is no constitutional
right to challenge.

-- at the very least it
would be a costly trial.


For the violator it sure is. Unless you're a big corporation a private
person doesn't stand much of a chance when the FCC has the wealth of the
Federal Treasury behind it to spend on legal proceddings. I can asure you
their legal budget is bigger that your's or mine.

That's also why the fines are never enough to
incite any legal challenge in the courts,


It's not always about the money. I have read where some have gone to court
just over the principle of the mater. The money wasn't the main
consideration for them.

or to people and companies
that do not have the financial resources to mount such a challenge.


And that's a shame too. It's not just the FCC that does this. How many
people have gotten screwed over because they don't have the money to stand
up for their rights in court? Too many.



Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.


I was referring to lost profits from removing the product line from their
travel centers.

Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement.


I remember comments being offered up a year or two ago along the line

that
the FCC wasn't going to do anything about 10m intruders. Looks like they

are
doing something now.



A token effort, just enough to keep the hammies thinking that they
aren't being ignored.


There are only around 750K licensed Hams in the USA. I would suppose only a
fraction of them are making complaints to the FCC. The FCC could as well
just ignore the complaints all together. The fact that they're not doing so
would suggest the enforcement action isn't simply to placate those
complaining, but a genuine effort at enforcement action as limited as it is
currently.



Assuming that the FCC won't get more aggressive in the
future is not being smart. All it takes is a change in the leadership of

the
FCC. Imagine if a new FCC chairmen is appointed, and is a Ham with an ax

to
grind about the present situation?



The chairman has very little power to change the workings of the FCC.


The chairmen sets the tone for the whole agency. The commissioners take
their cue from him.

It is the commission as a whole that has the power in that agency, and
therefore it is controlled by whomever controls the commissioners.


Yeah, the chairmen, like I said.

Since there is so much corporate interest in the other aspects of the
FCC, the ARS and CB will always be generally ignored -regardless- of
who sits in the big chair.


It's well documented that the current chairmen has an agenda that seems to
be mainly fueled by corporate money being offered for valuable spectrum and
that dang BPL crap.



In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words,


Well what exactly did he say? I'm sure others would like to read the
comments for themselves and make their own determination. I know I would.

I
have been to some Hamfests where he was a guest speaker, and I don't get

the
impression that you got.

but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


And just what "type" is that? I'm not an apologist for Jerry but I see

his
point. If he has to be a thorn in the FCC's Butt, so be it. I have yet to
see any government agency that didn't perform better if wasn't for some
citizen getting on their case about doing the job they are being paid to

do.


Jerry has chosen a course of action. I may not agree that it's the
-best- course of action, but then I'm not a ham and don't see things
from his perspective.


Give it a few minutes of thought then. The worst that can happen is you may
even agree with him on some points. 8-))

I -am- a CBer, and IMO you can stick a much
bigger thorn in the FCC's ass if you pester your congressional rep.


It happens.

It
still won't get anything accomplished, but at least you're forcing the
FCC to answer to someone with some authority.


Why do you think some of what is happening is happening? Maybe not enough to
suit some people, but some progress is being made.


--
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KC8LDO

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U Know Who November 25th 04 05:50 AM


"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:15:29 -0500, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote in :


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC.

Not really. Take a look at the other enforcement actions for such things

as
tower height and lighting etc.



Enforcement is but a shadow of what it once was. Back in the early
'60s the FCC would yank your CB license and/or slap you with a fine
just for violating the time-out rule, and they popped hoardes of CBers
for that and many other minor violations.

Looking at the enforcement efforts of the FCC for the past several
years there are two trends that become apparent: the number of FCC
enforcement actions have been steadily declining, and the fines have
been steadily increasing.


That I have heard mentioned before with the addtional comment being that
this is the case due to lack of funds. That could explaine why the fines
have been going up I suppose.

You might also notice that lately the FCC
rarely fines any person or company an amount that's beyond their means
to pay. It should be glaringly obvious that the primary focus of the
FCC is on the money, not on the enforcement. I wouldn't be suprised if
the FCC performs financial background checks before issuing NALs.


If you read the enforcement logs you'll see where they say you have to
supply them with a copy of your tax return if you claim you can't pay the
fine.

The
FCC could do far more to enforce the regulations than their occasional
shakedown tour in the vice district.


Agreed.




You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the
monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of
why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.

The FCC's aim is not to put anybody out of business, but to bring them
in

to
compliance with FCC regulations.



Think about it: a federal agency with the power to execute searches
without a warrant,


Big deal. If you read the terms of the license grant from the FCC the
licensee agrees to station inspections, i.e. without a warrant, so the
licensee doesn't have a bone to pick. They knew the rules of the game
before
hand.

impose penalties without due process,


Oh, there is due process. If you don't like the fine then you can go to
court. Not much different when you get popped for speeding. Don't like the
ticket then talk to the judge.

and make up
their own rules as they go;


The rules are clearly spelled out in CFR 47.

yet the violations continue unabated. And
the only benefits from their actions are seen by the Treasury Dept.


The problems don't seem to be limited to just the FCC regulations. For
example look at your speedometer the next time you're out driving, the
posted speed limits, and the other drivers on the road. Seems like more
cops
on the road doesn't deter many from doing 80+ MPH on the expressways.



Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in
jail
for a similar charge.

I don't have any at my finger tips, but that doesn't mean that there

aren't
any. And if by chance there are non there is always a first time. As
they
say with investing "past performance is no indication of future
returns",

in
other words they, the FCC, could do so at their discretion.



They won't. If they did there would be constitutional challenges to
their rules and the FCC would probably lose


I doubt it. When they have the violator on audio tape with signal strenght
readings, frequency counter readings, spectrum analyzer screen shots etc,
when they go to court they're cooked. Besides, were in the constitution
does
it say that a citizen has the right to use a radio transmitter, much less
in
any maner they choose? If it isn't there then there is no constitutional
right to challenge.

-- at the very least it
would be a costly trial.


For the violator it sure is. Unless you're a big corporation a private
person doesn't stand much of a chance when the FCC has the wealth of the
Federal Treasury behind it to spend on legal proceddings. I can asure you
their legal budget is bigger that your's or mine.

That's also why the fines are never enough to
incite any legal challenge in the courts,


It's not always about the money. I have read where some have gone to court
just over the principle of the mater. The money wasn't the main
consideration for them.

or to people and companies
that do not have the financial resources to mount such a challenge.


And that's a shame too. It's not just the FCC that does this. How many
people have gotten screwed over because they don't have the money to stand
up for their rights in court? Too many.



Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.

I was referring to lost profits from removing the product line from
their
travel centers.

Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement.

I remember comments being offered up a year or two ago along the line

that
the FCC wasn't going to do anything about 10m intruders. Looks like they

are
doing something now.



A token effort, just enough to keep the hammies thinking that they
aren't being ignored.


There are only around 750K licensed Hams in the USA. I would suppose only
a
fraction of them are making complaints to the FCC. The FCC could as well
just ignore the complaints all together. The fact that they're not doing
so
would suggest the enforcement action isn't simply to placate those
complaining, but a genuine effort at enforcement action as limited as it
is
currently.



Assuming that the FCC won't get more aggressive in the
future is not being smart. All it takes is a change in the leadership of

the
FCC. Imagine if a new FCC chairmen is appointed, and is a Ham with an ax

to
grind about the present situation?



The chairman has very little power to change the workings of the FCC.


The chairmen sets the tone for the whole agency. The commissioners take
their cue from him.

It is the commission as a whole that has the power in that agency, and
therefore it is controlled by whomever controls the commissioners.


Yeah, the chairmen, like I said.

Since there is so much corporate interest in the other aspects of the
FCC, the ARS and CB will always be generally ignored -regardless- of
who sits in the big chair.


It's well documented that the current chairmen has an agenda that seems to
be mainly fueled by corporate money being offered for valuable spectrum
and
that dang BPL crap.



In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words,

Well what exactly did he say? I'm sure others would like to read the
comments for themselves and make their own determination. I know I
would.

I
have been to some Hamfests where he was a guest speaker, and I don't get

the
impression that you got.

but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.

And just what "type" is that? I'm not an apologist for Jerry but I see

his
point. If he has to be a thorn in the FCC's Butt, so be it. I have yet
to
see any government agency that didn't perform better if wasn't for some
citizen getting on their case about doing the job they are being paid to

do.


Jerry has chosen a course of action. I may not agree that it's the
-best- course of action, but then I'm not a ham and don't see things
from his perspective.


Give it a few minutes of thought then. The worst that can happen is you
may
even agree with him on some points. 8-))

I -am- a CBer, and IMO you can stick a much
bigger thorn in the FCC's ass if you pester your congressional rep.


It happens.

It
still won't get anything accomplished, but at least you're forcing the
FCC to answer to someone with some authority.


Why do you think some of what is happening is happening? Maybe not enough
to
suit some people, but some progress is being made.


Yes, you and your sock puppies are not happy. Create a few more, and just
maybe something will go your way. Hello Legeo.



Landshark November 25th 04 06:03 AM


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:15:29 -0500, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote in :


"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...

But you MUST consider the probability factor. What you propose is
deviation from the norm concerning the FCC.


Not really. Take a look at the other enforcement actions for such things
as
tower height and lighting etc.



Enforcement is but a shadow of what it once was. Back in the early
'60s the FCC would yank your CB license and/or slap you with a fine
just for violating the time-out rule, and they popped hoardes of CBers
for that and many other minor violations.

Looking at the enforcement efforts of the FCC for the past several
years there are two trends that become apparent: the number of FCC
enforcement actions have been steadily declining, and the fines have
been steadily increasing. You might also notice that lately the FCC
rarely fines any person or company an amount that's beyond their means
to pay. It should be glaringly obvious that the primary focus of the
FCC is on the money, not on the enforcement. I wouldn't be suprised if
the FCC performs financial background checks before issuing NALs. The
FCC could do far more to enforce the regulations than their occasional
shakedown tour in the vice district.


You have a better chance of
hitting the lotto. Not going to happen. You are discounting the monetary
factor, here. I believe you are missing the monetary picture here of why
the huge companies stay in business year after year when only the
littles ones are closed and put out of business.


The FCC's aim is not to put anybody out of business, but to bring them in
to
compliance with FCC regulations.



Think about it: a federal agency with the power to execute searches
without a warrant, impose penalties without due process, and make up
their own rules as they go; yet the violations continue unabated. And
the only benefits from their actions are seen by the Treasury Dept.


Cite a single case involving the FCC tossing a white collar exec in jail
for a similar charge.


I don't have any at my finger tips, but that doesn't mean that there
aren't
any. And if by chance there are non there is always a first time. As they
say with investing "past performance is no indication of future returns",
in
other words they, the FCC, could do so at their discretion.



They won't. If they did there would be constitutional challenges to
their rules and the FCC would probably lose -- at the very least it
would be a costly trial. That's also why the fines are never enough to
incite any legal challenge in the courts, or to people and companies
that do not have the financial resources to mount such a challenge.


Nothing, 'cause the radios aren't being dumped.


I was referring to lost profits from removing the product line from their
travel centers.

Your position is based upon suppositions, the "if" factor, and the
assumption the FCC is changing the manner in whcih they operate, as
opposed to reality,,..business-as-usual within the FCC and minimal
enforcement.


I remember comments being offered up a year or two ago along the line that
the FCC wasn't going to do anything about 10m intruders. Looks like they
are
doing something now.



A token effort, just enough to keep the hammies thinking that they
aren't being ignored.


Assuming that the FCC won't get more aggressive in the
future is not being smart. All it takes is a change in the leadership of
the
FCC. Imagine if a new FCC chairmen is appointed, and is a Ham with an ax
to
grind about the present situation?



The chairman has very little power to change the workings of the FCC.
It is the commission as a whole that has the power in that agency, and
therefore it is controlled by whomever controls the commissioners.
Since there is so much corporate interest in the other aspects of the
FCC, the ARS and CB will always be generally ignored -regardless- of
who sits in the big chair.


In fact, Riley has written the FCC considers many of these
complainants a pain-in-the-ass..he didn't come out and say those exact
words,


Well what exactly did he say? I'm sure others would like to read the
comments for themselves and make their own determination. I know I would.
I
have been to some Hamfests where he was a guest speaker, and I don't get
the
impression that you got.

but DID say these type hammies (Oxendine) are often worse than
the offenders themselves. An incredible statement from the head
enforcement officer at the FCC.


And just what "type" is that? I'm not an apologist for Jerry but I see his
point. If he has to be a thorn in the FCC's Butt, so be it. I have yet to
see any government agency that didn't perform better if wasn't for some
citizen getting on their case about doing the job they are being paid to
do.



Jerry has chosen a course of action. I may not agree that it's the
-best- course of action, but then I'm not a ham and don't see things
from his perspective. I -am- a CBer, and IMO you can stick a much
bigger thorn in the FCC's ass if you pester your congressional rep. It
still won't get anything accomplished, but at least you're forcing the
FCC to answer to someone with some authority.



Very well said Frank.

Landshark


--
Real heroes are men who fall and fail
and are flawed, but win out in the end
because they've stayed true to their
ideals and beliefs and commitments.



harvey November 25th 04 03:26 PM


"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
|| There are only around 750K licensed Hams in the USA.

this isnrt towards anyone ..jus a musing on my part....
""750K licensed Hams in the USA.""
and thats how hams keep the fcc reminded there are individuals out here
using radios. if it wernt for that reminder , where do ya'll think the freqs
would be? a no-mans land used by every industrial use imaginable controlled
by who ever was highest bidder for the spectrum.
i wonder how many cb'ers are out there?
we'll never know how to count them with out things such as licensing...:)
oops,guess they took care of that huh?
harv



Leland C. Scott November 26th 04 05:34 AM


"harvey" wrote in message
...

"Leland C. Scott" wrote in message
...
|
|| There are only around 750K licensed Hams in the USA.

this isnrt towards anyone ..jus a musing on my part....
""750K licensed Hams in the USA.""
and thats how hams keep the fcc reminded there are individuals out here
using radios. if it wernt for that reminder , where do ya'll think the

freqs
would be? a no-mans land used by every industrial use imaginable

controlled
by who ever was highest bidder for the spectrum.
i wonder how many cb'ers are out there?
we'll never know how to count them with out things such as licensing...:)
oops,guess they took care of that huh?
harv


Yeah. No argument there.

--
Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

Wireless Network
Mobile computing
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