On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:40:14 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote in
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The fact is that there has never been a better source of false
information than the mass media. The only question is where that false
information is coming from. Well, that depends on who controls the
media. In the US the people certainly don't control the media -- it's
controlled by the huge corporations that own it and the government
that regulates it. THAT'S the source of any misinformation you get
from the allegedly "left-biased" or "liberal" media. That's a fact!


No Frank these are not facts they are your opinion just like Dave has his
opinion about illegal operator on channle 6.


No, it's fact, and history is loaded with examples that prove it. The
US government regularly uses mass media, both foreign and domestic,
for disseminating misinformation. They can even do this even by their
silence; i.e, by omission. Refusing to keep the US updated on the Ohio
recounts sends the message that the issue is less important than
Martha Stewart getting second prize in the prison bake-off. And the
corporations that own the media outlets regularly use them to
influence public opinion to favor their own agendas, the most blatant
and recent example being the Sinclair group's push in the Bush
campaign.

And until Dave can provide an example where one of the allegedly
illegal operators he allegedly heard was found guilty, got an NAL, or
even admitted his guilt publically, then his allegations are nothing
more than his opinions, not facts.




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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:32:03 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Why not broadband Frank?


When I figure out how to hook it up with Win 3.1 I might look into
broadband or DSL. But the problem isn't the connection or the
connection speed -- it's their outsourcing of newsgroup service and
their server can't handle the load. The subscribed connections are
either too few or have low priority. Cheap *******s.




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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:19:33 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:06:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:32:03 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Why not broadband Frank?


When I figure out how to hook it up with Win 3.1 I might look into
broadband or DSL. But the problem isn't the connection or the
connection speed -- it's their outsourcing of newsgroup service and
their server can't handle the load. The subscribed connections are
either too few or have low priority. Cheap *******s.

Frank Talk about cheap *******s you are still using win 3.1?? hell you
could have at least upgraded to Win 3.11 for workgroups ... LOL

Nothing wrong with windows 3.1. Its a hassle to add networking to
3.1. At least it doesn't have all the BS that microcrap added to
their later versions.


And a hell of a lot more secure.





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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:52:55 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:34:58 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:32:03 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Why not broadband Frank?


When I figure out how to hook it up with Win 3.1 I might look into
broadband or DSL. But the problem isn't the connection or the
connection speed -- it's their outsourcing of newsgroup service and
their server can't handle the load. The subscribed connections are
either too few or have low priority. Cheap *******s.

.

The operating system won't matter with DSL Frank. The only microcrap
S/W that I run is win 3.11 or DOS. Most of newsgroup servers that
ISP's provide suck... need a copy of 3.11, e-mail me..


I'm already running 3.11 (and ME if I flip a switch, but I only use
that to log onto secure sites). So you figured out how to set up DSL
and/or broadband on 3.11?




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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:41:05 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Still up to your eyeballs in snow? Our weather has been really
wierd,
it was 70 Wednesday morning, and 20 this morning.


You're down there in Texas, right? So what's this I hear about
Houston
being declared the city with the fattest people in the US?

If you think that number of ice cream and pizza places, weather, and
number of sporting goods stores are good ways to measure if a city is
"fat" or not, then sure. This "study" by Men's Fitness Magazine --
basically the men's version of Cosmo -- is little more than junk
science.

On the other hand, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) did a more
scientific study where BMIs from a sample size of the population were
considered. I don't know why that one gets no publicity, while the junk
science does. The top cities are a little different.
http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/cities.shtml

And here are a few comments from today's Houston Chroncle:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2979999
"One minute Mayor Bill White debunked Men's Fitness magazine's
methodology for labeling Houston the nation's fattest city, and the
next minute he announced a new wellness initiative to combat the label.
'It's calculated with voodoo and fraud,' White said of the rankings of
50 cities across the nation featured in the magazine's February issue.
To determine the rankings, the magazine staff does not actually weigh
anyone, but examines 14 elements of city life, including the number of
fast food and pizza restaurants.
'The rankings themselves are flawed,' White said at a City Hall news
conference Wednesday. He questioned the fairness of not counting delis
as fast food places in New York or Chicago, but counting Smoothie Kings
as fast food places in Houston. Results of the creative formula differ
from the findings of more official medical research, such as that from
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

So I would take the Men's Fitness rankings with a grain a salt. Well,
maybe I wouldn't even give them that. It's just a marketing ploy to
sell more magazines.

On 8 Jan 2005 14:30:50 -0800, "JP" wrote in
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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:41:05 GMT, Lancer wrote in
. com:

snip
Still up to your eyeballs in snow? Our weather has been really
wierd,
it was 70 Wednesday morning, and 20 this morning.


You're down there in Texas, right? So what's this I hear about
Houston
being declared the city with the fattest people in the US?

If you think that number of ice cream and pizza places, weather, and
number of sporting goods stores are good ways to measure if a city is
"fat" or not, then sure. This "study" by Men's Fitness Magazine --
basically the men's version of Cosmo -- is little more than junk
science.

On the other hand, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) did a more
scientific study where BMIs from a sample size of the population were
considered. I don't know why that one gets no publicity, while the junk
science does. The top cities are a little different.
http://www.obesity.org/subs/fastfacts/cities.shtml

And here are a few comments from today's Houston Chroncle:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2979999
"One minute Mayor Bill White debunked Men's Fitness magazine's
methodology for labeling Houston the nation's fattest city, and the
next minute he announced a new wellness initiative to combat the label.
'It's calculated with voodoo and fraud,' White said of the rankings of
50 cities across the nation featured in the magazine's February issue.
To determine the rankings, the magazine staff does not actually weigh
anyone, but examines 14 elements of city life, including the number of
fast food and pizza restaurants.
'The rankings themselves are flawed,' White said at a City Hall news
conference Wednesday. He questioned the fairness of not counting delis
as fast food places in New York or Chicago, but counting Smoothie Kings
as fast food places in Houston. Results of the creative formula differ
from the findings of more official medical research, such as that from
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

So I would take the Men's Fitness rankings with a grain a salt. Well,
maybe I wouldn't even give them that. It's just a marketing ploy to
sell more magazines.


It's that darn left-wing media again, ignoring the facts and pushing
their socialist agenda of selling magazines. So what pinko-liberal
company owns Men's Fitness?

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:19:41 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Yes its easy.


Hmmmm.....


When you order your installation kit for DSL make sure
you get the package with the older style modem in it.


What do you mean by "older style"?


Throw their
installation software away. Buy a D-link DI-604, hook your modem to
it, put your login and password in the PPOe of the router. Point your
3.11 system at the router. Thats it..


I'll give it a shot.





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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:00:36 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:40:55 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:19:41 GMT, Lancer wrote in
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Yes its easy.


Hmmmm.....


When you order your installation kit for DSL make sure
you get the package with the older style modem in it.


What do you mean by "older style"?


I have seen some of the new self install kits with a USB modem.


......uh, ok.



Throw their
installation software away. Buy a D-link DI-604, hook your modem to
it, put your login and password in the PPOe of the router. Point your
3.11 system at the router. Thats it..


I'll give it a shot.


You have networking running on your 3.11 system now?


Nope. I guess I'll have to if I want DSL, huh?

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:19:28 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:18:37 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote in :

From: (Dave*Hall)
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So which is it? If you are denying my claim

that there are illegal stations on channel 6,

then by simple inverse logic, you are claiming

that there are NO illegal stations on channel 6.

That isn't inverse logic, that's illogic invoked by yourself. Once
again, since you are displaying an uncanny sense of self-cornfusion, the
legality of stations on channel 6 was never the issue. The only issue
was the manner in which you claimed you could tell they were illegal.


That's Dave -- he grabs a logical fallacy that sounds good and won't
let go come hell or high water.

Tell me then Frank, where is the "falacy" in my logic?


I stated that there are illegal stations on channel 6 based on my own
empirical observations.

Twist claimed that my statement is "bull****". So if my statement that
there are illegal operators on channel 6 is invalid, then you are
making the statement that there are no illegal operators on channel 6.

If you are merely objecting to my method of determining the status of
those stations, I would be glad to engage in a technical discussion
with you as to these methods.

Dave
"Sandbagger"




Dave
"Sandbagger"

On 07 Jan 2005 21:39:52 GMT, Steveo
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
Someone who didn't take crap from idiots? Yea, I'm guilty.

I used to like dropping a KW on them with my mark IV. Now it's not
worth the electricity.

Browning MK IV? Nice rig, although many people claimed that they had
"problems". From what I remember, it was only the first production run
that had the problems.

You know the people for whom I speak of. Maybe you could tell twist,
since he obviously doesn't seem to believe me.

BTW, I agree, tweaking idiots used to be fun "back then". But today,
it's hardly worth the time.

Sometimes it's more fun tweaking the idiots here........

Dave
"Sandbagger"