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(itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge) Steveo wrote in news:20050117220459.299 : "Bert Craig" wrote: Sorry, the FCC has already Type Accepted rigs that include ETS or "roger" beeps. http://www.galaxyradios.com/cb/949.html http://www.galaxyradios.com/2547.html http://cbworldinformer.com/200107/dx...anel_clsup.htm -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384 QRP ARCI #11782 Yhe voice of truth and reason. No Steve the voice of obfuscation and BS the FCC clearly states what the requirments are in their laws, Galaxy are export radios they are not type certified cb's If you new the law, you would know the FCC most certainly permits the new Galaxy cb radios. There is a base and a mobile cb radio only by Galaxy that is type accepted. You, as always, are clueless, in the dark, and uninformed. The burden of finding the information and educating yourself is up to you, but you can always continue to run your mouth as if you knew what you were talking about. |
But it's evidently not clear to most radio
manufacturers since, with the exception of the Galaxy (Galaxy also has a reputation for pushing the limits of the law) radio, no other domestic type accepted/approved CB radio has an ETS as standard equipment. One has to wonder why that is, if they are clearly legal. Not "one" only *you* have to wonder..the rest of the hammies in the world already know the answer to this. You (and your sock puppet) are the only one crying about a roger beep being illegal. In any case, the FCC does not seem to be overly interested in much concerning CB radio these days. Dave "Sandbagger" Which has nothing to do with your gaffe, although, based on your words above, it most certainly appears that after redundantly repeating and explaining that the FCC does not enact rules telling what IS permitted (as was your criteria for claiming roger beeps were illegal), you are slowly accepting what everyone has been telling you...roger beeps are illegal. N3CVJ |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:29 GMT, "U Know Who" wrote in : snip So anyway, what tone do you like in illegal roger beeps? Personally, I prefer 103.5, not obtrusive, and if you use a really good woofer (15" or larger), you get that thump. 1k is way too tweety. Someone around here is using the old EBS tones with a decay of about two seconds. Very unique. I've been thinking about building something like a 'CB caller-ID' box. Data could be sent at 1200 baud FSK at the beginning and end of each transmission. That data could include an email addy, callsign, or even just a handle. It would be really cool during a net to see the names pop up in a list on a display. Mine plays two lines of'I wish I wuz in Dixie'. |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote: [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio. How could you not see that, Dave? Give it a rest Frank. We're not talking about politics anymore. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:45:46 -0500, (Twistedhed)
wrote: Not "one" only *you* have to wonder..the rest of the hammies in the world already know the answer to this. You (and your sock puppet) are the only one crying about a roger beep being illegal. I have no sock puppet. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... SideBand wrote in news:X%9Hd.10619$Vj3.8887 @newssvr17.news.prodigy.com: It does say "no sound effects" in that you are correct. But if you read to the end of the sentence, it also says that said sound effects should not be to entertain, etc, etc, etc... I stand by my statement that a roger beep used for its intended purpose, which is to signify the end of a transmission, is not illegal. Annoying as hell in some cases, but not illegal. -SSB Then by all means produce a radio that sells in the usa that is type certified by the FCC, Randy tried but failed then he even came up with a lame excuse that the FCC agent made a mistake... LOL I know what the next excuse will sound like it will be " his co -worker used his computer while he was out to lunch". Your opinion while repected at times is not fact when it is spelled out and you nor any others can produce a radio that is type certified with them. If they were legal why would Cobra not incorporate them in at least 1 model, just 1 ?? Why not Uniden?? radio Shack?? Nidland?? and whom ever is a respected and legal company selling CB radios that are actually type certified. Galaxy DX2547, 100% FCC accepted, has a roger beep, indicator light for it, and a switch on the front panel. Worthless in my eyes as the operator that says "com'on" after every sentence. But there is one for 'ya! Best Chad |
"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... SideBand wrote in news:X%9Hd.10619$Vj3.8887 @newssvr17.news.prodigy.com: It does say "no sound effects" in that you are correct. But if you read to the end of the sentence, it also says that said sound effects should not be to entertain, etc, etc, etc... I stand by my statement that a roger beep used for its intended purpose, which is to signify the end of a transmission, is not illegal. Annoying as hell in some cases, but not illegal. -SSB Then by all means produce a radio that sells in the usa that is type certified by the FCC, Randy tried but failed then he even came up with a lame excuse that the FCC agent made a mistake... LOL I know what the next excuse will sound like it will be " his co -worker used his computer while he was out to lunch". Your opinion while repected at times is not fact when it is spelled out and you nor any others can produce a radio that is type certified with them. If they were legal why would Cobra not incorporate them in at least 1 model, just 1 ?? Why not Uniden?? radio Shack?? Nidland?? and whom ever is a respected and legal company selling CB radios that are actually type certified. Galaxy DX2547, 100% FCC accepted, has a roger beep, indicator light for it, and a switch on the front panel. Worthless in my eyes as the operator that says "com'on" after every sentence. But there is one for 'ya! Best Chad And here are a few for you Chad that radio included http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-253693A1.html I saw that, One of the reasons I bought mine is because it "is" FCC accepted. I will also do some searching, Wonder if there is not another 2547 "export version" with a DX99 in the chasis? best Chad |
"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad |
"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Will do tonight, I'm limited to google news at home and a dial-up :( May be tomorrow before I get back. Is this the site to check up on the number? https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/c...ericSearch.cfm Best Chad |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:57:00 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote: [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio. How could you not see that, Dave? Give it a rest Frank. We're not talking about politics anymore. I see that -you- aren't talking about politics anymore because you refuse to accept any facts; e.g., the fact here is that you are looking at the wrong rule: This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios, (which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule modification? FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: "Sec. 95.193 (b) The FRS unit may transmit tones to make contact or to continue communications with a particular FRS unit....." CB radio has an identical rule: "Sec. 95.412 (b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications....." So it should be obvious that if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted, the tone is considered to be a tool that is used to -facilitate- communications, a purpose which is consistent with the above rule(s). And another fact: I brought this same issue to your attention almost a year ago..... in -THIS- newsgroup. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:53:58 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:15:17 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : snip Hey Frank, stfu you ****ing assclown, you are really starting to sound like a real jerkoff. "....starting"? Damn, I thought I had that 'jerkoff' routine pegged a couple years ago! No you are sounding more and more like tipsy everyday I am sorry to say. I wouldnt have expect that from you of all people. News flash: I don't write my posts to conform with your expectations. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". Don't you mean CTCSS? |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:36:38 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Twistedhed Gilliland wrote in FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: You are getting like twisty more and more each day Go snip some more of the FCC text so it doesnt include the part about selcal and tone operated suelch. You will stoop to twisty levles to prove your right when your wrong, assclown. Speak for yourself. You conveniently snipped where I said, "....if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted....", the keyword being "if". |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
SideBand wrote in news:jqhHd.16384$_X7.6881 @newssvr33.news.prodigy.com: itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". Don't you mean CTCSS? No Tone Squelch -Is a generic name for many "Sub-audible tone systems". The principle is that a receiver will not allow any audio to be routed to the speaker unless it is accompanied by the appropriate sub-audible tone. (Also see: CTCSS, ETS & PL) CTCSS - "Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System" CTCSS is a series of sub-audible tones which are standard on most new radios. An audible cousin of CTCSS is DTMF. These tones often perform control functions. Some repeaters may require a sub-audible tone before activating, others use it to perform functions such as turning all trunks on and off when a specific tone is present. (Also see: Tone Squelch, ETS & PL) ETS - "Electronic Tone Squelch" is the Canadian Marconi Company version of tone squelch. ETS is a series of sub-audible tones which has the ability of performing control functions. (Also see, Tone Squelch, CTCSS & PL.) Do I need to point it out? Am I the only one that sees it? According to your first "definition" up there, Sub-Audible Tone System (SATS) = CTCSS = PL. In fact, all of my ICOM and Alinco manuals equate PL with CTCSS and define them with the same definition you attribute to SATS. Or were you confusing CTCSS with DTS? |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 ..... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad |
"Chad Wahls" wrote in message
oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Game, set, and match! For what it's woth, Chad...I too despise roger beeps ggg -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384 QRP ARCI #11782 |
Chad Wahls wrote:
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 : "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad OOps... Wonder if he'll admit he was wrong now? A real man would. -SSB |
"Chad Wahls" wrote in message oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Suck my nads, George. |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 03:17:33 GMT, "U Know Who"
wrote in : snip Suck my nads, George. It occurs to me that he may be right. Just because the radio includes a roger-beep (or some other noise function) may not exclude it from an equipment authorization because the operator can turn it off. |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:34:29 -0600, "Chad Wahls" wrote:
Then by all means produce a radio that sells in the usa that is type certified by the FCC, Randy tried but failed then he even came up with a lame excuse that the FCC agent made a mistake... LOL I know what the next excuse will sound like it will be " his co -worker used his computer while he was out to lunch". Your opinion while repected at times is not fact when it is spelled out and you nor any others can produce a radio that is type certified with them. If they were legal why would Cobra not incorporate them in at least 1 model, just 1 ?? Why not Uniden?? radio Shack?? Nidland?? and whom ever is a respected and legal company selling CB radios that are actually type certified. Galaxy DX2547, 100% FCC accepted, has a roger beep, indicator light for it, and a switch on the front panel. Worthless in my eyes as the operator that says "com'on" after every sentence. But there is one for 'ya! Best Chad And here are a few for you Chad that radio included http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2...-253693A1.html I saw that, One of the reasons I bought mine is because it "is" FCC accepted. I will also do some searching, Wonder if there is not another 2547 "export version" with a DX99 in the chasis? best Chad I had a Galaxy 949 which was a standard CB. Also had a roger beep. Vinnie S. |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:12:58 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : snip You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. Which rule is that? |
"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "U Know Who" wrote in news:hjkHd.40410$Z%.28009 @fe1.texas.rr.com: "Chad Wahls" wrote in message oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Suck my nads, George. You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. The fact remains, too many reputable CB distributors sold it for it not be type accepted. You stink. |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. Which Part 95 CB rule disallows adjustable RF power? I would think that if the radio was only capable of 4W RMS AM Carrier / 12W SSB PEP at the MAX power setting, and was adjustable downward, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, nor would it make the radio "illegal" or uncertifiable... Educate me. -SSB |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Tell Ken. CTCSS - "Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System" CTCSS is a series of sub-audible tones which are standard on most new radios. An audible cousin of CTCSS is DTMF. These tones often perform control functions. Some repeaters may require a sub-audible tone before activating, others use it to perform functions such as turning all trunks on and off when a specific tone is present. (Also see: Tone Squelch, ETS & PL) Hrm... this is at variance with your definition of CTCSS. From http://www.pacres.com/ctcss.htm : [quote begins] CTCSS (Continuous Tone Controlled Squelch System) a sub audible tone in the range of 67 to 254 Hz. The FM deviation level of CTCSS tones should be in the range of 500 to 800 Hz. These tones are encoded with the voice audio at all times during the transmission. Any one or more of the 50 tones can be used to gain access to the repeater. CTCSS decode and encode is provided as a standard feature on all of our controllers, using state of the art devices. All standard and non standard EIA CTCSS tones can be decoded or encoded. You may select 1, 2, 3 or up to all 50 CTCSS decode tones to operate the repeater. You can even use CTCSS tones and DCS codes on the same channel. [end quote] Here, CTCSS is defined as "a subaudible tone" "encoded with the voice audio at all times during the transmission." Sure sounds like your SATS definition, and PL to me... Quod Erat Demonstrandum -SSB |
"U Know Who" wrote in message ... "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "U Know Who" wrote in news:hjkHd.40410$Z%.28009 @fe1.texas.rr.com: "Chad Wahls" wrote in message oups.com... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: "Chad Wahls" wrote in news:csjorb$n0g$1 @news.ks.uiuc.edu: "itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge" wrote in message ... "Chad Wahls" wrote in : Just saw this after I posted about the 2547. Mine has the FCC sticker on it. Also, they are tough to mod for freeband use, NO MODS HERE! it can be done but they have the tendency to self destruct. They have made some changes to the unit in the past few years, wonder if that gained acceptance? I can get a pic with the sticker on it. I have also seen the 2547 listed as a "FCC accepted CB base" and "Export only" It's essentially a mobile in a big case, wonder if there are different versions floating around? Chad Chad what is the FCC id tag #'s on it.... On the sticker right? Chad thats the one bubba Here ya go skippy:) C2R-DX-2547 Entered: (C2R) (-DX-2547) Here's a copy of the acceptance: COPY FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 GRANT OF EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION COPY Certification Ranger Electronic Communications Inc 70 Pei Nei Street Shulin 238 Taipei Hsien, Taiwan Date of Grant: 07/09/1999 Application Dated: 08/25/1998 Attention: Susan Chiu NOT TRANSFERABLE EQUIPMENT AUTHORIZATION is hereby issued to the named GRANTEE, and is VALID ONLY for the equipment identified hereon for use under the Commission's Rules and Regulations listed below. FCC IDENTIFIER: C2R-DX-2547 Name of Grantee: Ranger Electronic Communications Inc Equipment Class: Licensed Non-Broadcast Station Transmitter Notes: CB Transceiver Grant Notes FCC Rule Parts Frequency Range (MHZ) Output Watts Frequency Tolerance Emission Designator RF 95D 26.96 - 27.41 4.0 0.005 % 6K00A3E 95D 26.96 - 27.41 12.0 0.005 % 4K00J3E RF: Meets the requirements applicable to Citizens Band Radio Service equipment operating on up to 40 channels as specified in the Report and Order in Docket 20120. Mail To: Rowland Johnson, President Hyak Laboratories Inc 7011 Calamo Street, Suite 107 Springfield, VA 22150 US 9808288315408002 .... And it has a roger beep, and, I still think it's worthless! Chad Suck my nads, George. You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. The fact remains, too many reputable CB distributors sold it for it not be type accepted. You stink. Y A W N.................. Did you really think he would admit it? Too many years not being in one way sociable to anyone has left him nothing left to do but act like the newsgroup punch clown. Landshark -- Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
snipped for brevity Some more information to educate you. http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~dra/pl.html -SSB |
Here's another one that equates all three.. CTCSS, PL, and SATS
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=CTCSS -SSB |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:03:53 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : snip ...The advantage of this system is that the subaudible tones are transmitted for the whole period of the transmission so if the signal fades at the beginning of the transmission is lost but later then increases in strength, the continuously transmitted tones will enable the squelch to open and the audio to be heard. .....huh? The radio goes back into squelch when the signal is lost because when the signal is lost so are the tones. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
SideBand wrote in news:xGlHd.19394$by5.996 @newssvr19.news.prodigy.com: Here's another one that equates all three.. CTCSS, PL, and SATS are you ****ing drunk you stupid ass**** I said they are all the ****ing same read what the **** I tpye instead of trying to educate people. I have already educated you and told you they are all the ****ing same. No.. you said they were different. I asked you "did you mean CTCSS" You said "no" I pointed out they were the same. There's no need to resort to insults, not-not-jorge, just because you don't want to admit you were wrong twice on the same day... that is unless your intellect limits you to such things. -SSB |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Prove your point? I said that from the ****ing start you drunken asshole. go sniff some more toilets seat your delerious He can't properly form a complete sentence, and I'm drunken and delirious. That's rich. Don't push your personal life off on me, not-not-gorge. Just because you like to "sniff toilets seat" doesn't mean everyone else does.. That should have been "you're delirious", not "your". "Your" is the possessive form. "You're" is the contraction of "you are". I learned the difference in Grammar School.. -SSB |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:32:54 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : snip This is not grammar class you ****ing dick with ears blah, blah, blah. So what rule prohibits a power control? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:32:54 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : snip This is not grammar class you ****ing dick with ears blah, blah, blah. So what rule prohibits a power control? I beleive I was thinking of the scenario where you added a dial a watt. which further enhances the keyclown ability of the radio for driving a amp So that would be the "internal modifications" rule.. If the radio is type accepted, and comes with such a thing as a power control from the factory, then it's not internally modified, and therefore not illegal. Quod Erat Demonstrandum. -SSB |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:56:05 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:32:54 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : snip This is not grammar class you ****ing dick with ears blah, blah, blah. So what rule prohibits a power control? I beleive I was thinking of the scenario where you added a dial a watt. which further enhances the keyclown ability of the radio for driving a amp Yeah, that's usually what it's used for. But what's the rule that prohibits it? |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 00:11:59 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:56:05 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:32:54 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote in : snip This is not grammar class you ****ing dick with ears blah, blah, blah. So what rule prohibits a power control? I beleive I was thinking of the scenario where you added a dial a watt. which further enhances the keyclown ability of the radio for driving a amp Yeah, that's usually what it's used for. But what's the rule that prohibits it? did you not read what i wrote twisty? I did, and don't call me Twisty. Are you saying that you made a mistake by claiming you were referring to an illegal modification instead of a factory design feature? |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:31 GMT, SideBand wrote:
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. Which Part 95 CB rule disallows adjustable RF power? I would think that if the radio was only capable of 4W RMS AM Carrier / 12W SSB PEP at the MAX power setting, and was adjustable downward, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, nor would it make the radio "illegal" or uncertifiable... Educate me. I can't find any reference to a specific rule that either allows or prohibits adjustable power. On the one hand, if it were legal, you would think that more radios would utilize this "feature" as a selling point. On the other hand, many hand held radios are equipped with "hi/lo" power switches. In the mid 60's, a few Lafayette models had a 5W/100mW switch on the back. But the selling point for those was that they used to claim that you could operate your radio on the 100 mW position before your license came back in the mail. The FCC later clarified part 15 so that the antenna had to be self contained and less than 5 feet in length. So that pretty much killed that purpose of that switch, and it disappeared with the next models. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:48:36 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 04:30:31 GMT, SideBand wrote: itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: You should thank Chad, and yes it is there , but using your excuse the FCC agent who certifys radios ****ed up and let this one slip by, it also has adjustable rf power which again is not allowed as per fcc rule. Which Part 95 CB rule disallows adjustable RF power? I would think that if the radio was only capable of 4W RMS AM Carrier / 12W SSB PEP at the MAX power setting, and was adjustable downward, it wouldn't be that big of a deal, nor would it make the radio "illegal" or uncertifiable... Educate me. I can't find any reference to a specific rule that either allows or prohibits adjustable power. On the one hand, if it were legal...... Oh brother. Once again you demonstrate your attitude that you are willing to convict based on an absence of evidence. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:02:16 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 12:57:00 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote: [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio. How could you not see that, Dave? Give it a rest Frank. We're not talking about politics anymore. I see that -you- aren't talking about politics anymore because you refuse to accept any facts; What you consider "facts" is the whole point of contention. e.g., the fact here is that you are looking at the wrong rule: Am I? This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios, (which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule modification? FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: "Sec. 95.193 (b) The FRS unit may transmit tones to make contact or to continue communications with a particular FRS unit....." CB radio has an identical rule: "Sec. 95.412 (b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications....." But you failed to print the entire rule subpart. Why this is significant I will explain after I post it in its entirety: "(b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications. (Examples of circuits using these signals are tone operated squelch and selective calling circuits.) If the signal is an audible tone, it must last no longer than 15 seconds at one time. If the signal is a subaudible tone, it may be transmitted continuously only as long as you are talking." Now, when you look at the rule, it becomes clear what the intent of this rule is. They are defining selective calling units, that operate either with CTCSS or dual tone (paging style) squelch systems. Lafayette used to sell them from the 1960's into the early 70's. You might be able to infer that this rule also applies to roger beeps, but you have to remember that this rule was written long before roger beeps were even heard of on CB radio communications. I will concede that the rule is open to a wide variety of interpretation. It is conceivable that you MIGHT be ok if you use the roger beep strictly as an ETS signal. The minute you start making multiple tones, musical notes or otherwise, you fall into the category spelled out by 95.413, prohibited transmissions subpart 6 and 7: (6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; (7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; So it should be obvious that if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted, the tone is considered to be a tool that is used to -facilitate- communications, a purpose which is consistent with the above rule(s). The question remains, with the exception of the Galaxy, there are no other domestic radios with this built in feature. If the rule was so cut and dry, then why not add another selling point? And another fact: I brought this same issue to your attention almost a year ago..... in -THIS- newsgroup. I remember the discussion. I believe it was Bert who provided the picture of his Galaxy radio with the FCC ID number which you initially looked up and couldn't find, and then claimed that the radio's Roger beep was an "add-on" accessory.. That was back when you were on my side, before you found out that I'm one of those "evil" capitalist loving conservatives who still believes in personal responsibility. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:09:08 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : snip I see that -you- aren't talking about politics anymore because you refuse to accept any facts; What you consider "facts" is the whole point of contention. They are facts sourced from the very same source that says Bush got an honorable discharge. Care to dispute the source? I didn't think so. e.g., the fact here is that you are looking at the wrong rule: Am I? This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios, (which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule modification? FRS radios have such tones because they are permitted by this rule: "Sec. 95.193 (b) The FRS unit may transmit tones to make contact or to continue communications with a particular FRS unit....." CB radio has an identical rule: "Sec. 95.412 (b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications....." But you failed to print the entire rule subpart. Why this is significant I will explain after I post it in its entirety: "(b) You may use your CB station to transmit a tone signal only when the signal is used to make contact or to continue communications. (Examples of circuits using these signals are tone operated squelch and selective calling circuits.) If the signal is an audible tone, it must last no longer than 15 seconds at one time. If the signal is a subaudible tone, it may be transmitted continuously only as long as you are talking." Now, when you look at the rule, it becomes clear what the intent of this rule is. They are defining selective calling units, that operate either with CTCSS or dual tone (paging style) squelch systems. Lafayette used to sell them from the 1960's into the early 70's. You might be able to infer that this rule also applies to roger beeps, but you have to remember that this rule was written long before roger beeps were even heard of on CB radio communications. Bull****. Roger-beeps have existed, legal or not, on the CB since the band was barely a few months old. I will concede that the rule is open to a wide variety of interpretation. It is conceivable that you MIGHT be ok if you use the roger beep strictly as an ETS signal. The minute you start making multiple tones, musical notes or otherwise, you fall into the category spelled out by 95.413, prohibited transmissions subpart 6 and 7: (6) To transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; (7) To transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; Damn liberals. So it should be obvious that if any radio with a "roger-beep" is accepted, the tone is considered to be a tool that is used to -facilitate- communications, a purpose which is consistent with the above rule(s). The question remains, with the exception of the Galaxy, there are no other domestic radios with this built in feature. If the rule was so cut and dry, then why not add another selling point? How about because the service was intended to be a cheap-&-easy way to get 2-way radio comm? There were literally hundreds of models WITHOUT a control for RF gain, delta-tune, SWR, etc, etc. And the FCC used to cite people for nothing more than failure to comply with the time-out rule. So would -you- have included it in a radio? I doubt it. And another fact: I brought this same issue to your attention almost a year ago..... in -THIS- newsgroup. I remember the discussion. I believe it was Bert who provided the picture of his Galaxy radio with the FCC ID number which you initially looked up and couldn't find, and then claimed that the radio's Roger beep was an "add-on" accessory.. I made no such claim. Look up the thread and read the FACTS, Dave. That was back when you were on my side, before you found out that I'm one of those "evil" capitalist loving conservatives who still believes in personal responsibility. I'm still on your side, Dave. The difference we have is that you refuse to look at -political- issues from both sides of the coin. Apparently your problem is migrating to CB issues; i.e, your false claim about me stated above. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 07:30:50 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in : snip did you not read what i wrote twisty? I did, and don't call me Twisty. Are you saying that you made a mistake by claiming you were referring to an illegal modification instead of a factory design feature? No you most certainly are starting to become twistys clone I actually thought he might have been forging you. Actually I was confused There shouldn't be any confusion -- Twisty defends illegal radio and I oppose it. But that doesn't answer the question: Did you make a mistake? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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