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Horizontal radials work simply as a ground plane/counterpoise while radials
that are angled down and out at a 45 degree angle combine the benefits of a counterpoise with a impedance matching network to lower the input impedance of the antenna to a more friendly 50~ output impedance of the transmission line......P.S. Hello to those of you that remember me from way back ans as for the rest of you that have ruined this newsgroup........well, goodbye -- Mad-Dog "Vinnie S." wrote in message ... OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2 options for a ground plane kit: 1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45 degrees), as seen he http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1 2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is horizontal, and not angeled, as seen he http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer Which one would be better? Vinnie S. |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Why should I be nice? I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations, and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic, which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting scratched. As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, not to mention the ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for info on how to install a prefab antenna? J.H.F.C, how did he pass the exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Isn't anyone elmering the kid? I thought your were elmering him Frank? He really doesn't need one anyway, he buys his antennas. Even something as simple as a dipole, or sloper... Do you have a problem with that? Show me the rules on antenna requirements, please. Vinnie S. |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Why should I be nice? That is a impossibility. I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations, and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic, which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting scratched. I said I liked Reagan. Nothing more. I didn't try to outdo your political knowledge. In fact, showing the phony you truly are, you complimented me on the fact I hate Bush Jr. Now I am a sniveling crybaby. How quickly we forget. Dave was right that once you find out what politcal side of the once someone is on, is how you treat a person afterwards. Simply because I liked Reagan. Need I remind you that you changed your ID to avoid my killfile, to get in one last jab. I ****ed you off so bad, you were practically banging youre head against a wall. As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, That is about the 3rd time you have cracked on be about being a general. WHy does that bother you so much? not to mention the ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for info on how to install a prefab antenna? Because knowing antenna theory in full, is not a requirement for ham or CB. It's a good thing you don't make the rules. J.H.F.C, how did he pass the exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? Exactly. A few fundementals. And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group. You and Lancer are coming out smelling like roses here. You 2 epitomize this newsgroup in it's old form. I simply ask a couple questions regarding a ground plane. Nothing more. There was no politcal tone, not finger pointing, nothing. You had to come on, and rip me a new asshole. Remember when you asked me why I didn't take Dave Hall to task for the same reasons, I took you? Well, here it is. Let everyone see what kind of person. As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a ground plane question in a CB newsgroup. Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you for who you truly are. Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife, nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is curious. Vinnie S. |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:14:16 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in : On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote: Why should I be nice? I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations, and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic, which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting scratched. As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, not to mention the ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for info on how to install a prefab antenna? J.H.F.C, how did he pass the exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Isn't anyone elmering the kid? I thought your were elmering him Frank? He really doesn't need one anyway, he buys his antennas. Even something as simple as a dipole, or sloper... Do you have a problem with that? Show me the rules on antenna requirements, please. Looks like Vinnie is going to be a General-class appliance operator. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:33:50 -0700, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:02:50 -0400, wrote: Any time you add radials, especially the drooping type it will add a slight amount of gain. The added gain is most likely only a fraction of what the radial manufacturer will quote. The gain would be in the order of 1db. Hardly worth the cost and extra wind load. That is basically what the manufacturer said. They also said it would have more affect on Receive, than anything else. Probably not even enough to tell. Not by your ears anyway. I had an Antron with their stupid gpk-1, or whatever they called it, and I saw no diff at all. As stated earlier in this thread, I did see a lot more wind load. Don't do it Vinnie! ;-) The only reason I might do it, is because it will be much much easier to install now, than after it's up. I can't do anything until I get that dipole. I don't feeling like doing to trenches and 2 installs. Might as well do it once. Vinnie S. |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:32:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in : On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote: Why should I be nice? That is a impossibility. It's possible as long as you don't throw tantrums. I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations, and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic, which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting scratched. I said I liked Reagan. Nothing more. I didn't try to outdo your political knowledge. In fact, showing the phony you truly are, you complimented me on the fact I hate Bush Jr. And I even let the subject drop and gave you the last word. Now I am a sniveling crybaby. How quickly we forget. Dave was right that once you find out what politcal side of the once someone is on, is how you treat a person afterwards. Simply because I liked Reagan. I really don't care if you liked him or not. I liked the guy myself at the time. He came across as a strong leader. But the more I learned about him and his secret and illegal antics the more I changed my perspective. So I'll explain this once again: I made my comments about Reagan because I thought you were a reasonable person and maybe didn't know just how shady his administration really was. Then you threw a fit and have been whining about it ever since. So what other conclusion can I draw other than you are not a reasonable person? Need I remind you that you changed your ID to avoid my killfile, to get in one last jab. I ****ed you off so bad, you were practically banging youre head against a wall. You killfiled me and -still- couldn't resist the urge to complain about how I desecrated your ignorance. Now you are responding to me through a piggy-back post. Like I said before, killfiles don't work. As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, That is about the 3rd time you have cracked on be about being a general. WHy does that bother you so much? If you read the ARRL manual sometime you might learn that the hobby comprises a little bit more than hooking up prefab components. But if you want to waste your money and learn nothing about the hobby then that's your choice, just like it's your choice to put me in your killfile (LOL!). not to mention the ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for info on how to install a prefab antenna? Because knowing antenna theory in full, is not a requirement for ham or CB. It's a good thing you don't make the rules. Who said that you should learn "antenna theory in full"? If you are going to put up an antenna and don't know if it requires a ground plane or not, then wouldn't it be a good idea to learn the basics of how the thing works? .....oh, that's right, you -do- know how an antenna works because you passed the written for the General. Silly me. J.H.F.C, how did he pass the exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? Exactly. A few fundementals. Since when did the fundamentals not include the fuction of a ground plane? And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group. So does that mean a CB antenna operates on different priciples than a ham antenna? You and Lancer are coming out smelling like roses here. You 2 epitomize this newsgroup in it's old form. I simply ask a couple questions regarding a ground plane. Nothing more. There was no politcal tone, not finger pointing, nothing. You had to come on, and rip me a new asshole. Remember when you asked me why I didn't take Dave Hall to task for the same reasons, I took you? Well, here it is. Let everyone see what kind of person. Everyone here already knows I'm an asshole. Big deal. But now they also know that you are a crybaby that can't even use a killfile. As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a ground plane question in a CB newsgroup. I can't speak for Lancer, but I know there are many people who think that people should do their -own- homework. It's just plain lazy for you, a General Class amateur, to hop on a CB group and ask if your antenna needs a ground plane, especially when you can take five minutes to learn -by yourself- what they are, what they do, and whether your antenna needs one or not. Did you even read the instructions that came with the antenna? Sheesh. Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you for who you truly are. Gladly. They will also see your incessant whining. Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife, nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is curious. Tell ya what, Vinnie: You go read all the posts between us from the beginning. Then come back and tell me exactly what triggered this perpetual tantrum you are throwing..... maybe we can resolve this issue before you take a dive off the deep end. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On 05 Apr 2005 23:05:36 GMT, Steveo wrote:
I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm, just like steveo does of Leland and doug's. Try as hard as you can to be me, but you are still chrissy the sissy busch. That ****er would come within 20 miles of my self. He steps foot on my property, and he is fair game ! Vinnie S. Forget about it. He's yella! I figured that. Seems like he's got company in these keyboard chest thumpers. Vinnie S. |
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 15:06:11 -0400, "Mad Dog" wrote:
Horizontal radials work simply as a ground plane/counterpoise while radials that are angled down and out at a 45 degree angle combine the benefits of a counterpoise with a impedance matching network to lower the input impedance of the antenna to a more friendly 50~ output impedance of the transmission line......P.S. Hello to those of you that remember me from way back ans as for the rest of you that have ruined this newsgroup........well, goodbye Thank you and please stay. This newsgroup isn't bad at all with the use of a killfile. Vinnie S. |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:32:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote: And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group. Gee, that's makes good sense to me. I wonder why other people didn't understand that? Keep it up, both of you. Keep it going. Let everyone on this newsgroup see you for who you truly are. That's true for all of us. Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife, nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is curious. Welcome to the unwashed world of the internet. Since everyone is comfortable behind their keyboards, there is no incentive for anyone to be the least bit polite. So for anyone to remain here, you have to learn to become hardened to that type of behavior. Some people truly want to exchange ideas. Other people are only interested in "tweaking" people for the pure entertainment value. I admit that I get a certain amount of pleasure tweaking Twisty, as his responses are so predictable. If I started caring about the people who didn't like me and the reasons why, I would have left here long ago. I'm especially suspicious of the motives of people who take deliberate steps to hide their identity. In many ways, I'm just like Frank. The difference is that I don't get flippant with other people until they do so to me first. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially. It's hard to exchange ideas with people if everyone is ****ed off at each other. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:14:13 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote: If you read the ARRL manual sometime you might learn that the hobby comprises a little bit more than hooking up prefab components. But if you want to waste your money and learn nothing about the hobby then that's your choice, just like it's your choice to put me in your killfile (LOL!). There are a lot of ham appliance operators. While it smacks at the original intended purpose of the service, there's nothing expressly prohibited about it. There are also those guys who are subject matter experts on one facet of the hobby, and who know very little about others. Such is the nature of such a multi-faceted service. And if part of the hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info when there are countless resources available for hams? Because the Imax, is for my CB, and this is a CB group. So does that mean a CB antenna operates on different priciples than a ham antenna? I can't speak for Lancer, but I know there are many people who think that people should do their -own- homework. It's just plain lazy for you, a General Class amateur, to hop on a CB group and ask if your antenna needs a ground plane, especially when you can take five minutes to learn -by yourself- what they are, what they do, and whether your antenna needs one or not. Did you even read the instructions that came with the antenna? Sheesh. A few things. First off, despite what this group has devolved into in the last few years, it originally was a place to discuss experiences with different aspects of radio. It's one thing to read a 2-dimensional book about a subject. It's another thing to actually talk with people who have "been there and done that". Tapping that experience is far more rewarding than generalized book comments. I would also be skeptical about the antenna's instructions. The company has a pecuniary interest in promoting "accessories" which have questionable value from a performance standpoint. Remember that the paper never refuses ink. Just because something is printed in a book, does not mean that it is 100% true, or accurate in all cases. My hat's off to Vinnie for trying to at least swing the discussions back to radio related topics, as opposed to the sniping and bickering over politics and who's gay. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:26:18 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:41:07 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote in : snip Should I return it? Probably. If you want a decent antenna that you can use for both CB -and- ham you should check out that link for the $4 cheapie (that I provided in a post without insult). It will probably cost -you- about $20 more because it requires a tuner which you probably don't have. The idea is to just throw a couple wires in the trees and load them up with the tuner -- that's it. It works better than any Imax or Antron, it can be used for whatever power and spectrum is handled by the tuner (usually 2-30 MHz), you can change the antenna at any time, you don't have to worry about SWR, it's cheap, and it's so easy even a Geico customer can do it. A tuner-fed non-resonent length dipole is not the best solution for CB. It is woefully inefficient and would be the wrong polarity for the majority of CB work. They worked well on the ham bands because most H.F contacts are DX in nature and you're relying on atmospheric propagation to do most of the work. Try to work another ham 30 miles away on the H.F bands and it is surprising how difficult it can be with those wire antennas. I ran a home brewed wire dipole on CB years ago, and used it in addition to my main 5/8th wave antenna. While the dipole worked well when the skip was running, locally, the signal from the dipole was a few "S" units less than the ground plane. With 4 watts of power, you don't get much range on a horizontal wire dipole strung in a tree. For ham band use, I agree with you, just not for CB. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 09:05:25 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:26:18 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:41:07 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote in : snip Should I return it? Probably. If you want a decent antenna that you can use for both CB -and- ham you should check out that link for the $4 cheapie (that I provided in a post without insult). It will probably cost -you- about $20 more because it requires a tuner which you probably don't have. The idea is to just throw a couple wires in the trees and load them up with the tuner -- that's it. It works better than any Imax or Antron, it can be used for whatever power and spectrum is handled by the tuner (usually 2-30 MHz), you can change the antenna at any time, you don't have to worry about SWR, it's cheap, and it's so easy even a Geico customer can do it. A tuner-fed non-resonent length dipole is not the best solution for CB. Neither is an Imax. It is woefully inefficient Compared to what.... a 7-el beam? and would be the wrong polarity for the majority of CB work. Doesn't matter. It gets the best of both worlds. That is, unless you are so anal that you think any dipole must be both horizontal and perfectly straight. They worked well on the ham bands because most H.F contacts are DX in nature and you're relying on atmospheric propagation to do most of the work. Try to work another ham 30 miles away on the H.F bands and it is surprising how difficult it can be with those wire antennas. Maybe you had difficulty, but there are a very large number of hams -and- CBers who don't share your ineptitude. I've done this type of antenna myself and never had any problems with local contacts -- in fact, it worked a lot better than the 9' whip on the truck. I ran a home brewed wire dipole on CB years ago, and used it in addition to my main 5/8th wave antenna. While the dipole worked well when the skip was running, locally, the signal from the dipole was a few "S" units less than the ground plane. With 4 watts of power, you don't get much range on a horizontal wire dipole strung in a tree. Well there's your problem, Dave -- I didn't say anything about horizontal. On the contrary, it's better if it isn't. Like I said before, just throw some wire up into the trees (or whatever tall object happens to be available). Didn't you read the link I posted? For ham band use, I agree with you, just not for CB. What's the name of that tech school, Dave? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
From: (Landshark)
"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message ... From: (Landshark) "Frank Gilliland" wrote in message ... On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote in : On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham wrote: snip Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, So I used to think as well, until he lost personal control. We all have at one time or another. Yes, but......Tthe difference is, a decent human being can admit he's wrong and offer an apology for such. You've done it, in addition to many other regs here. Some have these -ego- problems that will not permit it. You saying he is not a bad guy is akin of me saying the same thing about Geo regarding his attacks on you, Maybe, but far cry on accusations twist, so you are comparing apples with oranges. Unprovoked attacks accompanied with school yard name calling is what I refer.... the nature of such unprovoked attacks notwithstanding. Did you miss Vinny blowing of his top? Nope, but that was the way he felt. The you viewed his hypocrisy in singling one person out for a typo. If he truly felt this way, his posts would be chock full of such complaints and emotional uncontrols. The fact that his posts lack this, illustrate another problem he is experiencing, one that goes well beyond a typo and the way he feels about such. I think it was a little over board, but nothing that couldn't be overcome The guy came apart over a typo that had nothing to do with him. Again, I've seen the same thing from almost everyone here =A0=A0I never see the majority crying and carrying on about typos. ...perhaps that was his malfunction for the day, but it shows the guy's true self I don't think it show his "true self", but does show a flaw that can't be cured. He exercised an optional choice to attack a poster as opposed to the topic of the post, blamed it on a typo, and was called on it. Shows how he was moved by a simple posting of a url. Maybe if it was you he attacked for no reason other than incompetence Maybe, but I have been the target so long, as you, It really doesn't bother to much anymore. It never bothered me. In fact, once I realized how much energy these type devote to causes of which they are impotent, it became not just entertaining, but amusing because of the control they willingly but not consciously give up. In fact, those who go as far as to actually place blame on other usenet particapants as the cause of their personal woes, all share the same characteristics. Dogie blames Moped for his problems, Geo blames you, and Dave blames me. While Geo seems to be more of a loner, Dave and Dogie actually -look- to others for support. Such is recognized by their deliberate misattributing quotes (Dave) to others, lies (the three of them, including Lelnad) and the invocation of un-named and unsolicited sources as supporting their positions (Dave and Dogie). I suppose if that was the case, but I don't see him chasing Franks posts, posting false accusation, harassing every post he makes, big difference. Check again. He's replying to those he claims are killfiled and calling names in each post, taking about people's families and the such. you two should talk more radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad. Now,,I invoke to you the same exact reasoning you use for many of your complaints with Geo Why would Doug, Geo, Frank (in the past), Dave among others do the same to you? Because they didn't like you're ideology? Freebanding? political views? our were they just plain trolling? Ok. Since you asked, I'm going to spill some beans, here. Doug lost control when he came on here. When it was found that he had real problems of the mind, I immediately backed off my responses to him. It's not fair and it's not right to hit a child because they hit you. A simple reprimand every once in a while is sufficient. Mopar handles that quite well. In fact, the mere fact that Mopar handles Dogie as he does, is testament how serious he takes Dogie's threats. =A0=A0Frank?.....well, Frank and I went around concerning the legality issue. Now that the dx is much more sporadic and less, I'm more legal than Dave or Leland. After a few emails, I found Frank to be not that different from myself regarding certain key life skills, education. Even when we disagreed, I could learn something from Frank, as he was at least consistent with all his positions. Dave, otoh, has self-contradicted himself so many times and is known on this group by the majority as a major hypocrite. Such instantly compromises whatever integrity he managed to retain, which, after taking his posts concerning the defense of Dogie into consideration, is zero. Twist, I'm not going to go around with you on this. I'm sure just like Mopar & Frank, things got off to a bad start, hopefully in the future things will be better, though one of them most likely have to breakdown and bury the hatchet. ,,,,why would one attack another for no reason? Frank has a very condescending type of tone, but unfortunately when typing one can't tell the " tone" of the type if they haven't been around it for a while. That's another parallel. Frank went as far as to come out and say "I'm an asshole" on occasion. Way back during my infancy of arrival, I stated I do not play well with others, do not much care what others think for the most part, and work better alone. This leads to self-created problems for a certain type of personality when they encounter people such as Frank or myself, especially when they possess a controlling personality, an unquenchable yearning and hunger for status, and are used to most people in their world deferring to them. Dave falls into this category. He speaks of other's feelings being hurt because -his- feelings are hurt. He projects and regurgitates all over usenet, just as he did in trying to say he never blamed anyone for the Dogie/Geo mess. He most certianly has, on many occasion, and has used the legality/illegality as his excuse to act the fool. =A0=A0Lelnad,,well, his hatred of cb is well documented, yet he remains here for the education. If that isn't enough, his unprovoked attacks against dxers (Nebo comes to mind immediately, just for starters) confirms his agenda. There are those who have perfectly acceptable beefs concerning legalties and illegalities. The beefs belonging to the type of which I speak, are personal. Vinnie appears to be in this category. I base this opinion only on HIS comments and continual unprovoked attacks and responses to those he somehow feels are in his killfile. Nevertheless,....... ...when is your next fishing trip down south? =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0L andshark |
David T. Hall jr. (sandbagger) N3CVJ wrote:
I admit that I get a certain amount of pleasure tweaking Twisty, Shouting your ignorance to the world concerning you not knowing the difference between civil and criminal law as relates to your hobby and referring to it as "tweaking" another when that person educates you, is your right. as his responses are so predictable. =A0 =A0Sure they are, and everyone is aware my posts are predictable when responding to your inept claims, as my responses are a sound and accurate education regarding the law you fail to comprehend as relates to criminal and civil matters, laws, and disobediences. : )~ |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:34:53 GMT, Lancer wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:14:16 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote: Do you have a problem with that? Show me the rules on antenna requirements, please. Vinnie S. Of course there aren't any Vinnie, you come into the group, ask questions about antennas. When someone trys to give you ideas about building one or how it works, you don't want to hear anything about it. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with you making comments about me "thinking" of installing an antenna. Making comments snide comments about buying antennas. That is perfectly my choice. You have in your mind what you want, come here ask questions, and when the anwers aren't what you expected, you take it personal. Maybe they should just answer the question. Hint, when I asked about a ground plane on an antenna, you answer "why don't you experiment and build your own antenna?". Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:53:34 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:14:13 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: If you read the ARRL manual sometime you might learn that the hobby comprises a little bit more than hooking up prefab components. I took the hobby up a little over a month ago. I don't have a Frank intelligence pill, which I swallow and am all knowledgable in 2 hours. But if you want to waste your money and learn nothing about the hobby then that's your choice, just like it's your choice to put me in your killfile (LOL!). I want to get on the air in as short time as possible. Starting to build stuff from scratch, when you just entered the hobby, isn't the way to do tit. Snipped the rest of the useless babble. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:51:23 GMT, Lancer wrote:
As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a ground plane question in a CB newsgroup. First of all, learn to quote. Second, nothing is up my ass. I wouldn't call my responses to you as cracking on you. My only response to you about the Imax was " neither one" Because neither ground plane kits you listed would make a signicant difference to your antenna. I have also not made any wise ass cracks about ****ing my wife. Maybe you should look back through the archives. The worst comment I have made to you is that 'I didn't mean to **** you off" Go through your list "Your family get-togethers must be a blast." Cracking on me and my family Vinnie? Right. I remember perfectly well. That was because you cracked on my because I quoted the Firestik website as th antennas being an electrical 5/8. You made a snide comment, finished off by an LOL. You could have simply said the website was innaccurate. But no. You have to make the comment. The only thing I questioned was why that made you laugh out loud. And I said if that made you laugh so hard, you family gatherings must be a blast. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:01:34 GMT, Lancer wrote:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 20:32:59 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:15:08 GMT, Lancer wrote: Frank, while you are at it, get me a beer. And Lancer, I didn't **** your wife, nor anyone of your family, nor do I know wnyone in your family. So when you want to tell eveyone here why you hate me so much, please do so. I sure eveyone is curious. Vinnie S. Poor baby, get off my wife and family, if you can? BTW, I'm not worried about you ****ing my wife or family. I don't **** anybody's wife, except my own. You would need an instruction manual for that, and we all know you don't read instruction manuals. Good one !!!!!! Do what you always do, ask the group, and then when you don't get the exact answer you were looking for, get mad.... Keep it going. Let everyone see. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:53:34 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:
My hat's off to Vinnie for trying to at least swing the discussions back to radio related topics, as opposed to the sniping and bickering over politics and who's gay. Totally ****ing amazing. I ask a CB antenna question is a CB newsgroup, the the ****ing demons come out. Well, I am glad about one thing. People here are finally getting to see who he assholes are. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:04:58 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Right. I remember perfectly well. That was because you cracked on my because I quoted the Firestik website as th antennas being an electrical 5/8. You made a snide comment, finished off by an LOL. You could have simply said the website was innaccurate. But no. You have to make the comment. The only thing I questioned was why that made you laugh out loud. And I said if that made you laugh so hard, you family gatherings must be a blast. Vinnie S. No Vinnie; All my comments and LOL were against Firesticks WEB page. Um, no. First, I will quote you: "First of all, learn to quote: So, I will quote: "LOL! Looks like the same e-mail that firestick sent to me when I told them they didn't have a 6 foot 5/8 wave antenna. A 5/8 wave antenna a feedpoint impedance of about 150 - j600 ohms. Now if you think that will match your CB, hey more power to you. I have this bridge for sale... you know the rest... " There it is. An exact quote. I am glad you taught me to quote. In any case, that is a snide comment as I can tell. You could have simply said the website was lying or inaccurate. But you took the high road. I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way. It wasn't the first time I have laughed at Firesticks claims, nor will it be the last. Please quit taking stuff so personal. If that is an olive branch, I will accept. Please confirm. Vinnie S. |
itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote: Lancer wrote in ews.com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:27:29 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:51:23 GMT, Lancer wrote: As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a ground plane question in a CB newsgroup. First of all, learn to quote. Second, nothing is up my ass. I wouldn't call my responses to you as cracking on you. My only response to you about the Imax was " neither one" Because neither ground plane kits you listed would make a signicant difference to your antenna. I have also not made any wise ass cracks about ****ing my wife. Maybe you should look back through the archives. The worst comment I have made to you is that 'I didn't mean to **** you off" Go through your list "Your family get-togethers must be a blast." Cracking on me and my family Vinnie? Right. I remember perfectly well. That was because you cracked on my because I quoted the Firestik website as th antennas being an electrical 5/8. You made a snide comment, finished off by an LOL. You could have simply said the website was innaccurate. But no. You have to make the comment. The only thing I questioned was why that made you laugh out loud. And I said if that made you laugh so hard, you family gatherings must be a blast. Vinnie S. No Vinnie; All my comments and LOL were against Firesticks WEB page. I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way. It wasn't the first time I have laughed at Firesticks claims, nor will it be the last. Please quit taking stuff so personal. **** him Lancer when the pics of his house and antennas go up on the web you will see him cry like a baby. more so than he has done here in a short period of time... Boy will this be fun. What will stop Vin from going to 1248 WARWICK PL ALLENTOWN PA 18104 USA to take your pic, sissy? |
On 07 Apr 2005 22:19:20 GMT, Steveo wrote:
**** him Lancer when the pics of his house and antennas go up on the web you will see him cry like a baby. more so than he has done here in a short period of time... Boy will this be fun. What will stop Vin from going to 1248 WARWICK PL ALLENTOWN PA 18104 USA to take your pic, sissy? LOL. I dare him to come to this house. Like I said, one foot on the property, and he is fair game. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:26:58 GMT, Lancer wrote:
If that is an olive branch, I will accept. Please confirm. Vinnie S. Absolutely... Water under the bridge. No hard feelings. Vinnie S. |
Vinnie S. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:26:58 GMT, Lancer wrote: If that is an olive branch, I will accept. Please confirm. Vinnie S. Absolutely... Water under the bridge. No hard feelings. Vinnie S. Cool. I like both you guys. |
Lancer wrote:
On 07 Apr 2005 22:19:20 GMT, Steveo wrote: itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: Lancer wrote in ews.com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:27:29 -0400, Vinnie S. wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:51:23 GMT, Lancer wrote: As far as Lancer, I don't know what is up his ass. I don't know him from a hole in the wall, but from some reason, he cracks on me like I ****ed his wife or something. Making comments about how I "think" about installing an antenna, or cracking because I won't build one from scratch. All because I asked about a ground plane question in a CB newsgroup. First of all, learn to quote. Second, nothing is up my ass. I wouldn't call my responses to you as cracking on you. My only response to you about the Imax was " neither one" Because neither ground plane kits you listed would make a signicant difference to your antenna. I have also not made any wise ass cracks about ****ing my wife. Maybe you should look back through the archives. The worst comment I have made to you is that 'I didn't mean to **** you off" Go through your list "Your family get-togethers must be a blast." Cracking on me and my family Vinnie? Right. I remember perfectly well. That was because you cracked on my because I quoted the Firestik website as th antennas being an electrical 5/8. You made a snide comment, finished off by an LOL. You could have simply said the website was innaccurate. But no. You have to make the comment. The only thing I questioned was why that made you laugh out loud. And I said if that made you laugh so hard, you family gatherings must be a blast. Vinnie S. No Vinnie; All my comments and LOL were against Firesticks WEB page. I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way. It wasn't the first time I have laughed at Firesticks claims, nor will it be the last. Please quit taking stuff so personal. **** him Lancer when the pics of his house and antennas go up on the web you will see him cry like a baby. more so than he has done here in a short period of time... Boy will this be fun. What will stop Vin from going to 1248 WARWICK PL ALLENTOWN PA 18104 USA to take your pic, sissy? I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... He'd have to make quite a hard right turn first wouldn't he? :) |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:07 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Vinnie S. No Vinnie; All my comments and LOL were against Firesticks WEB page. I'm sorry if you took that the wrong way. It wasn't the first time I have laughed at Firesticks claims, nor will it be the last. Please quit taking stuff so personal. **** him Lancer when the pics of his house and antennas go up on the web you will see him cry like a baby. more so than he has done here in a short period of time... Boy will this be fun. He dosen't live that far from you does he? Nope. And I was in Bethlehem today. And I am in Allentown quite often. I cover the eastern part of PA. But he is **** to me. He means nothing in my life. I won't go look for him, and waste my time. He issued the the challenge. I never issued an challenge to meet him. He came on this board, and put his challenge on the archive, and said he was going to take pictures of my antennas, and post them. There is no way he can do that, the way my property is laid out. He would physically have to go onto my property. And once he does that he is fair game. And since all this is in black and white, and I know his call sign, the FCC has the evidence they need. Believe me. I have nothing to worry about. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:23:46 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in : On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 08:53:34 -0400, Dave Hall wrote: On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:14:13 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: If you read the ARRL manual sometime you might learn that the hobby comprises a little bit more than hooking up prefab components. I took the hobby up a little over a month ago. I don't have a Frank intelligence pill, which I swallow and am all knowledgable in 2 hours. You don't even try. But if you want to waste your money and learn nothing about the hobby then that's your choice, just like it's your choice to put me in your killfile (LOL!). I want to get on the air in as short time as possible. Starting to build stuff from scratch, when you just entered the hobby, isn't the way to do tit. Who says? Where in the rule book does it say that buying an antenna is the quickest way to get on the air? It doesn't, and I'll tell you why it doesn't -- because it's wrong. You can make a quick & dirty antenna that works pretty darn good with nothing more than coax. Just strip 9' of outer insulation, pull back the shield over the rest of the coax, and =-presto-= you have a coaxial dipole. Hang it high or hang it low, the match won't be too bad after you trim it, and it works better than a 5' Firestick on the raingutter. Snipped the rest of the useless babble. Ok, so you have chosen to do the crybaby routine. Go for it. I'm sure Dave will lend a sympathetic ear since he's always looking for another co-dependent relationship. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Lancer wrote:
You don't believe his callsign is WA3MOJ do you? It's KB3BEJ. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:18:01 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Why are you so dead set against building an antenna? Actually, I am not. Just not right now. I just want to get on the air, as soon as possible, hopefully by the end of April. I just got into this hobby, and have barely been in it a month. Most of it just studying code and Tech books. I didn't even study for General, but passed it anyway. I failed the extra. I plan on getting into the hobby full blast, and am interested in QRP. I know little about that. I kind of like the idea of lower power DX. It will feel like when you were a kid, talking to a CB station on a toy walkie talkie. I think QRP require home brews. But as I said, I just want to get on the air. At least to learn the lingo a bit. My mind was kind of fried from the studying, so I want actually hands on. Once I can master that, we'll go the next step. Vinnie S. |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:19 GMT, Lancer wrote in
. com: snip I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... Really? That sounds cool. What freq, and what's the spacing and phase angle? Got a pic? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:41:39 GMT, Lancer wrote:
Nope. And I was in Bethlehem today. And I am in Allentown quite often. I cover the eastern part of PA. But he is **** to me. He means nothing in my life. I won't go look for him, and waste my time. He issued the the challenge. I never issued an challenge to meet him. He came on this board, and put his challenge on the archive, and said he was going to take pictures of my antennas, and post them. There is no way he can do that, the way my property is laid out. He would physically have to go onto my property. And once he does that he is fair game. And since all this is in black and white, and I know his call sign, the FCC has the evidence they need. Believe me. I have nothing to worry about. Vinnie S. You don't believe his callsign is WA3MOJ do you? I don't know what to believe from him. But if some lardass steps foot on my property, I will look thru his wallet for ID will I hold his face in the dirt. And if he doesn't have a wallet, then I will get the info from the car. Vinnie S. |
Lancer wrote:
On 07 Apr 2005 22:43:17 GMT, Steveo wrote: Lancer wrote: You don't believe his callsign is WA3MOJ do you? It's KB3BEJ. I missed that, where did that come from? A little birdie. qrz it |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 18:48:31 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in : On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:41:39 GMT, Lancer wrote: Nope. And I was in Bethlehem today. And I am in Allentown quite often. I cover the eastern part of PA. But he is **** to me. He means nothing in my life. I won't go look for him, and waste my time. He issued the the challenge. I never issued an challenge to meet him. He came on this board, and put his challenge on the archive, and said he was going to take pictures of my antennas, and post them. There is no way he can do that, the way my property is laid out. He would physically have to go onto my property. And once he does that he is fair game. And since all this is in black and white, and I know his call sign, the FCC has the evidence they need. Believe me. I have nothing to worry about. Vinnie S. You don't believe his callsign is WA3MOJ do you? I don't know what to believe from him. But if some lardass steps foot on my property, I will look thru his wallet for ID will I hold his face in the dirt. And if he doesn't have a wallet, then I will get the info from the car. ......oh brother, he's a crybaby -and- a tough-guy. This is just too good to be true! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:05:18 GMT, Lancer wrote in
. com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:46:04 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:19 GMT, Lancer wrote in s.com: snip I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... Really? That sounds cool. What freq, and what's the spacing and phase angle? Got a pic? They are spaced 90 degrees, (34 feet) Were you going for the null or the lobe? Equal lengths of RG-8 running to the house. I change the phasing by swapping coax loops in the house. Have you checked the broadside gain while running them in-phase? I made them from 19' sections of chain link top rail with some scrap tv antenna masts Those fence pipes sure do come in handy. I have two masts up right now using them, one of them for my lowfer rig. Pretty hard to beat for the price! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:05:18 GMT, Lancer wrote in . com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:46:04 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:19 GMT, Lancer wrote in s.com: snip I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... Really? That sounds cool. What freq, and what's the spacing and phase angle? Got a pic? They are spaced 90 degrees, (34 feet) Were you going for the null or the lobe? Equal lengths of RG-8 running to the house. I change the phasing by swapping coax loops in the house. Have you checked the broadside gain while running them in-phase? I made them from 19' sections of chain link top rail with some scrap tv antenna masts Those fence pipes sure do come in handy. I have two masts up right now using them, one of them for my lowfer rig. Pretty hard to beat for the price! I use them for a flag pole for my Nascar flags at the race..easy set-up and tear down..handy! |
On 07 Apr 2005 23:24:31 GMT, Steveo wrote in
: Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:05:18 GMT, Lancer wrote in . com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:46:04 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:19 GMT, Lancer wrote in s.com: snip I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... Really? That sounds cool. What freq, and what's the spacing and phase angle? Got a pic? They are spaced 90 degrees, (34 feet) Were you going for the null or the lobe? Equal lengths of RG-8 running to the house. I change the phasing by swapping coax loops in the house. Have you checked the broadside gain while running them in-phase? I made them from 19' sections of chain link top rail with some scrap tv antenna masts Those fence pipes sure do come in handy. I have two masts up right now using them, one of them for my lowfer rig. Pretty hard to beat for the price! I use them for a flag pole for my Nascar flags at the race..easy set-up and tear down..handy! I'm thinking of making a grill-guard for the truck with them. Some idiot took out my roo-guard last month -- that brings my "hit count" to 17, not including the garage. Do people drive that bad in Ohio? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Vinnie S. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:18:01 GMT, Lancer wrote: Why are you so dead set against building an antenna? Actually, I am not. Just not right now. I just want to get on the air, as soon as possible, hopefully by the end of April. I just got into this hobby, and have barely been in it a month. Most of it just studying code and Tech books. I didn't even study for General, but passed it anyway. I failed the extra. I plan on getting into the hobby full blast, and am interested in QRP. I know little about that. I kind of like the idea of lower power DX. It will feel like when you were a kid, talking to a CB station on a toy walkie talkie. I think QRP require home brews. But as I said, I just want to get on the air. At least to learn the lingo a bit. My mind was kind of fried from the studying, so I want actually hands on. Once I can master that, we'll go the next step. Vinnie S. Nothing for nothing Vinnie but if you got your ticket why are you asking questions concerning amateur matters in the cb forum? Granted there are some very knowlegable folks here but did you try any other usenet groups? |
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 07 Apr 2005 23:24:31 GMT, Steveo wrote in : Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:05:18 GMT, Lancer wrote in . com: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 15:46:04 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 22:30:19 GMT, Lancer wrote in s.com: snip I have a couple of 33' phased verticals he can take a picture of... Really? That sounds cool. What freq, and what's the spacing and phase angle? Got a pic? They are spaced 90 degrees, (34 feet) Were you going for the null or the lobe? Equal lengths of RG-8 running to the house. I change the phasing by swapping coax loops in the house. Have you checked the broadside gain while running them in-phase? I made them from 19' sections of chain link top rail with some scrap tv antenna masts Those fence pipes sure do come in handy. I have two masts up right now using them, one of them for my lowfer rig. Pretty hard to beat for the price! I use them for a flag pole for my Nascar flags at the race..easy set-up and tear down..handy! I'm thinking of making a grill-guard for the truck with them. Some idiot took out my roo-guard last month -- that brings my "hit count" to 17, not including the garage. Do people drive that bad in Ohio? I suppose they drive like that everyplace..it's a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, or your truck is a magnet. I have one of those too. |
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