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Vinnie S. April 4th 05 10:53 PM

Imax ground plane question
 
OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2 options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45 degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?



Vinnie S.

Frank Gilliland April 5th 05 12:10 AM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

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Which one would be better?



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

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Frank Gilliland April 5th 05 02:21 AM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.


He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.







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jim April 5th 05 02:39 AM

Frank Gilliland wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:


Frank Gilliland wrote in
m:


On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip

Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.


He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.




It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.

that was a smack at him frank. his posts concerning his newfound amateur
status was actually what this board is all about. Never mind its about
an amatuer question but rather radio in general. He doesn't like you and
the above post butresses his point. You are sounding like Eitner who is
acidic also.

Landshark April 5th 05 04:20 AM


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.



Not a bad page, Thanks!

Landshark


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they ought to be and you will help
them become what they are capable
of becoming.



Landshark April 5th 05 04:27 AM


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
m:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.


He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.



Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.



Jeff Mayner April 5th 05 04:51 AM

Vinnie S. wrote:
OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are
2 options for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45
degrees), as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is
horizontal, and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


Personally, I would use neither.

Jeff




Vinnie S.




Jeff Mayner April 5th 05 04:52 AM

landsharkdeepthroatsmen wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.


He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.


He'll see it now ya dork.

Damn, you _are_ a putz.

Jeff



Jeff Mayner April 5th 05 04:54 AM

Landshark wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others
might have the same or similar questions -- people who want to
actually learn something so they don't need someone to hold their
hand while installing an antenna.



Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.


I'm trying to take the heat off you but his attention span doesn't seem to
be too long. I'll step it up. ;-)

Jeff



Dave Hall April 5th 05 12:47 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2 options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45 degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


You should give Frank's suggestion a look as it does contain a lot of
information on antennas.

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj


Vinnie S. April 5th 05 01:14 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:39:20 -0400, jim wrote:



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.




It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.





that was a smack at him frank. his posts concerning his newfound amateur
status was actually what this board is all about. Never mind its about
an amatuer question but rather radio in general. He doesn't like you and
the above post butresses his point. You are sounding like Eitner who is
acidic also.



His post got piggy backed. What can I say about him. I could give two ****s
about him. I have clearly moved him though. He can't avoid me.

As far as education, Frank's parents clearly educated him in manner. o, I will
not use his advice, because his education is the type that is of no use.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 01:21 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:27:58 GMT, "Landshark" wrote:

s" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.



Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.



No chance. We habe nothing in common. Frank thrives on being an asshole. This
post is a case in point. He could have simply just posted a link. But that is
not his style. He has to be condescending, belittling, etc. And one thing is a
common. His posts always contains a slap at your education, and plugs his own
education. That smells of some type of inferiority complex. And he constantly
points to Dave in comparison. One thin is for sure, Dave would have never
answered this post in that manner. Like I said before. I don't he went from
being an engineer to bartender, because of choice. It was because he can't get
along with people, and was sent packing. He is a petty, miserable, fat old man.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 01:25 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:47:13 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2 options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45 degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


You should give Frank's suggestion a look as it does contain a lot of
information on antennas.

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge in
this field, insults Frank.

Vinnie S.

Landshark April 5th 05 02:39 PM


"Jeff Mayner" wrote in message
...
Landshark wrote:
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip
Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.


It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others
might have the same or similar questions -- people who want to
actually learn something so they don't need someone to hold their
hand while installing an antenna.



Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo
I see is still obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.


I'm trying to take the heat off you but his attention span doesn't seem to
be too long. I'll step it up. ;-)

Jeff



Don't worry about it dude, Geo's been doing this for
5 years now. Every time he posts, he shows what a troll
he is with the obsession for Mopar & I. Making up names,
false accusations, foul vulgar language just shows people
how sick he really is.

Landshark


--
Real heroes are men who fall and fail
and are flawed, but win out in the end
because they've stayed true to their
ideals and beliefs and commitments.



Chad Wahls April 5th 05 02:43 PM


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 07:47:13 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2
options
for a ground plane kit:

1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45
degrees),
as seen he


http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...at=1684&page=1


2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is
horizontal,
and not angeled, as seen he


http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer


Which one would be better?


You should give Frank's suggestion a look as it does contain a lot of
information on antennas.

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since
it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank
posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge
in
this field, insults Frank.

Vinnie S.


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.

How far off the ground? The lower it is the more effective the radials are
due to take off angle, the higher you get the less effective. I have heard
use them if the feed point is less than 36 feet. My Imax is less than that
and I have no radials. It performs VERY well. But new tower is being
contemplated!!!!

Damn..... BuryFlex, Imax, Sounds like we have a lot of the same stuff !!!!!!

Best
Chad



Dave Hall April 5th 05 06:22 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:25:09 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

But to answer your question, your particular type of antenna, like the
A-99, is designed to decouple with no radials. Adding radials to this
type of antenna does very little to improve performance. It's more
about marketing hype than actual performance improvement.



I should have been clearer. I wasn't trying to improve performance, since it is
a 5/8. But from the reading I have done (no thanks to anything Frank posted), I
was simply seeing if thise would lower the angle of radiation, and reduce
potential for any king of interference. I am sorry id my lack of knowledge in
this field, insults Frank.



Well we all can't be masters of every facet of electronics and radio.
And those who are weren't always that way. Most of us learn a few
things every day or so.

That being said, I'll have to look in the archives, but I recall a
discussion some time back about exactly what you are proposing to do.
The consensus at that time, by those who seemed to be in the know on
the topic, was that those type of "stick" end-fed radial-less 1/2 wave
and 5/8th wave antennas were designed to not need radials, and adding
them affects them very little in the areas that matter. The A-99
especially has poor decoupling which allows the feedline to radiate to
some degree, which is why people claim that the antenna "bleeds".
Simply adding radials does not seem to affect the transformer
decoupling all that much and doesn't really help the problem.

I don't know if the IMAX suffers from the same issues, but you might
want to search around for some discussions on them. You might pick up
some useful information.

Personally, I much prefer the "old fashioned" Sigma 5/8th style
antenna with radials. Jay's Interceptor 10K antenna seems to be about
the best thing going these days.

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj


Dave Hall April 5th 05 06:24 PM

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.



Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 07:30 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:14:18 GMT, Lancer wrote:


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.



Didn't you mean holds their hand while they "think" about installing
an antenna?



I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha Delta dipole,
which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same time. And since there is
trench digging involved, there is no reason to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks
apart. That and getting help to run and get tools or such, and putting them in a
rope and bucket, so I don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with
one stone.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 07:41 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:22:20 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:


Well we all can't be masters of every facet of electronics and radio.
And those who are weren't always that way. Most of us learn a few
things every day or so.

That being said, I'll have to look in the archives, but I recall a
discussion some time back about exactly what you are proposing to do.
The consensus at that time, by those who seemed to be in the know on
the topic, was that those type of "stick" end-fed radial-less 1/2 wave
and 5/8th wave antennas were designed to not need radials, and adding
them affects them very little in the areas that matter. The A-99
especially has poor decoupling which allows the feedline to radiate to
some degree, which is why people claim that the antenna "bleeds".
Simply adding radials does not seem to affect the transformer
decoupling all that much and doesn't really help the problem.

I don't know if the IMAX suffers from the same issues, but you might
want to search around for some discussions on them. You might pick up
some useful information.

Personally, I much prefer the "old fashioned" Sigma 5/8th style
antenna with radials. Jay's Interceptor 10K antenna seems to be about
the best thing going these days.



I plan on being about 40 feet at the feed. I just purchased the Imax yesterday.
I never knew buying an antenna and asking questions about it, would absolutely
**** off a bunch of people. I got one guy claiming I need my hand held. I got
another guy claiming that I am only "thinking" of installing it. And then there
is George and his sexual innuendo.

Should I return it? I think the purchase has affected too many lives?

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 07:45 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:24:09 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.



Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?


According to this, they're damn close:

http://www.shadowstorm.com/cb/CB_Myths_Exploded.html

Vinnie S.

[email protected] April 5th 05 09:02 PM

Any time you add radials, especially the drooping type it will add a
slight amount of gain. The added gain is most likely only a fraction
of what the radial manufacturer will quote. The gain would be in the
order of 1db. Hardly worth the cost and extra wind load.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 09:46 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:01:19 GMT, Lancer wrote:

Didn't you mean holds their hand while they "think" about installing
an antenna?



I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha Delta dipole,
which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same time. And since there is
trench digging involved, there is no reason to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks
apart. That and getting help to run and get tools or such, and putting them in a
rope and bucket, so I don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with
one stone.

Vinnie S.


So you don't have any antennas up yet? Put yourself up a dipole,
longwire. It sounds like you have quite a bit of room, why not put up
several antennas? Don't limit yourself to one "well thought out"
antenna. At least you will have the fun and learning experience of
building antennas. And then you will have an antenna to compare any
new antennas to.



I only have the desire to put up these 2. The Imax for CB and 10 meter, so I can
talk to the locals, and the Alpha Delta for everything else. I have no interest
in a beam. I have no interest in running 1,000 watts on my ham radio. I am
somewhat interested in the "QRP" low power DX. I simply want to satify the same
couriousity I had as a kid, that I have not done so in about 21 years. That is
it. It is not that complicated. I had not picked up a CB, or a communications
book, or antenna book, in over 21 years. This is why I am asking these
questions. But apparently, this is some sort of crime, that needs criticizing
and name calling.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 09:47 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:02:50 -0400, wrote:

Any time you add radials, especially the drooping type it will add a
slight amount of gain. The added gain is most likely only a fraction
of what the radial manufacturer will quote. The gain would be in the
order of 1db. Hardly worth the cost and extra wind load.



That is basically what the manufacturer said. They also said it would have more
affect on Receive, than anything else.

Vinnie S.

Frank Gilliland April 5th 05 10:26 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:41:07 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote in :

snip
Should I return it?



Probably. If you want a decent antenna that you can use for both CB
-and- ham you should check out that link for the $4 cheapie (that I
provided in a post without insult). It will probably cost -you- about
$20 more because it requires a tuner which you probably don't have.
The idea is to just throw a couple wires in the trees and load them up
with the tuner -- that's it. It works better than any Imax or Antron,
it can be used for whatever power and spectrum is handled by the tuner
(usually 2-30 MHz), you can change the antenna at any time, you don't
have to worry about SWR, it's cheap, and it's so easy even a Geico
customer can do it.

Now.... are you going to take some sound technical advice? Or would
you rather keep up with the crybaby routine?






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Steveo April 5th 05 10:33 PM

iamnotgeorge wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote in
:

I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha
Delta dipole, which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same
time. And since there is trench digging involved, there is no reason
to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks apart. That and getting help to run
and get tools or such, and putting them in a rope and bucket, so I
don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with one stone.

Vinnie S.


I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm, just like steveo does of
Leland and doug's.

Try as hard as you can to be me, but you are still chrissy the sissy busch.

Vinnie S. April 5th 05 11:34 PM

On 05 Apr 2005 21:33:44 GMT, Steveo wrote:

iamnotgeorge wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote in
:

I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha
Delta dipole, which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same
time. And since there is trench digging involved, there is no reason
to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks apart. That and getting help to run
and get tools or such, and putting them in a rope and bucket, so I
don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with one stone.

Vinnie S.


I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm, just like steveo does of
Leland and doug's.

Try as hard as you can to be me, but you are still chrissy the sissy busch.



That ****er would come within 20 miles of my self. He steps foot on my property,
and he is fair game !

Vinnie S.

Steveo April 6th 05 12:05 AM

Vinnie S. wrote:
On 05 Apr 2005 21:33:44 GMT, Steveo wrote:

iamnotgeorge wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote in
:

I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha
Delta dipole, which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the
same time. And since there is trench digging involved, there is no
reason to dig 2 trenches, days or weeks apart. That and getting help
to run and get tools or such, and putting them in a rope and bucket,
so I don't have to climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with one
stone.

Vinnie S.

I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm, just like steveo does
of Leland and doug's.

Try as hard as you can to be me, but you are still chrissy the sissy
busch.


That ****er would come within 20 miles of my self. He steps foot on my
property, and he is fair game !

Vinnie S.

Forget about it. He's yella!

Jeff Mayner April 6th 05 06:26 AM

Vinnie S wrote:
Vinnie S. wrote in
:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:39:20 -0400, jim
wrote:



http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.



It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But
I didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others
might have the same or similar questions -- people who want to
actually learn something so they don't need someone to hold their
hand while installing an antenna.





that was a smack at him frank. his posts concerning his newfound
amateur status was actually what this board is all about. Never mind
its about an amatuer question but rather radio in general. He
doesn't like you and the above post butresses his point. You are
sounding like Eitner who is acidic also.



His post got piggy backed. What can I say about him. I could give two
****s about him. I have clearly moved him though. He can't avoid me.

As far as education, Frank's parents clearly educated him in manner.
o, I will not use his advice, because his education is the type that
is of no use.

Vinnie S.


Hey Vinnie, if you kill file someone it means you don't read the
thread they wrote or any piggy back posts otherwise they arent
killfiled and you look like a big dick like Landshark does.


Using someone else's name and you call him a big dick?

lol...

Pathetic. I'll bet you go to google and re-read all your stupid little
posts, don't you? Here's an idea: just google "asshole cocksucker" and I'll
bet you'll see all your posts.

Jeff


Jeff






Jeff Mayner April 6th 05 06:28 AM

Dave Hall wrote:
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.



Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?


:-)

Jeff


Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj




Jeff Mayner April 6th 05 06:33 AM

Vinnie S. wrote:
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:02:50 -0400, wrote:

Any time you add radials, especially the drooping type it will add a
slight amount of gain. The added gain is most likely only a fraction
of what the radial manufacturer will quote. The gain would be in the
order of 1db. Hardly worth the cost and extra wind load.



That is basically what the manufacturer said. They also said it would
have more affect on Receive, than anything else.


Probably not even enough to tell. Not by your ears anyway. I had an Antron
with their stupid gpk-1, or whatever they called it, and I saw no diff at
all. As stated earlier in this thread, I did see a lot more wind load.

Don't do it Vinnie! ;-)

Jeff


Vinnie S.




Frank Gilliland April 6th 05 01:07 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:39:20 -0400, jim wrote
in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:


Frank Gilliland wrote in
:


On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:

snip

Which one would be better?


http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.

He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your message
unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.




It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation and education. But I
didn't post the link for his benefit. I posted it because others might
have the same or similar questions -- people who want to actually
learn something so they don't need someone to hold their hand while
installing an antenna.

that was a smack at him frank. his posts concerning his newfound amateur
status was actually what this board is all about. Never mind its about
an amatuer question but rather radio in general. He doesn't like you and
the above post butresses his point. You are sounding like Eitner who is
acidic also.



Why should I be nice? I -was- nice. We have had civil converstations,
and I even gave him enough info to install the antenna in his attic,
which apparently worked quite well. Then he stuck his finger into the
political lion cage and turned into a sniveling crybaby after getting
scratched.

As for being a general-class amateur, there are literally hundreds of
hammie websites that cover nothing but antennas, not to mention the
ARRL manual. If he's so serious about radio, why beg a CB group for
info on how to install a prefab antenna? J.H.F.C, how did he pass the
exam without knowing a few antenna fundamentals? And if part of the
hobby is to learn about radio comm, why ask a CB group for tech info
when there are countless resources available for hams? Isn't anyone
elmering the kid?





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Vinnie S. April 6th 05 01:52 PM

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:26:51 -0700, "Jeff Mayner" wrote:


His post got piggy backed. What can I say about him. I could give two
****s about him. I have clearly moved him though. He can't avoid me.

As far as education, Frank's parents clearly educated him in manner.
o, I will not use his advice, because his education is the type that
is of no use.

Vinnie S.


Hey Vinnie, if you kill file someone it means you don't read the
thread they wrote or any piggy back posts otherwise they arent
killfiled and you look like a big dick like Landshark does.


Using someone else's name and you call him a big dick?

lol...

Pathetic. I'll bet you go to google and re-read all your stupid little
posts, don't you? Here's an idea: just google "asshole cocksucker" and I'll
bet you'll see all your posts.



He is a fool. He has no clue what a kill file is.

Vinnie S.

Chad Wahls April 6th 05 02:53 PM


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 08:43:41 -0500, "Chad Wahls"
wrote:


The Imax is actually longer than 5/8 wave. Like .64 wave.



Not to be a smart ass or anything, but if you convert .64 into its
fractional equivalent, what do you get?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj



..625 making the Imax longer than 5/8 wave. :) I know I know. Close enough.

Chad



I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:28 PM

From: (jim)
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:
Frank Gilliland wrote in
:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:
snip
(Which one would be better?)

http://www.bencher.com/pdf_download.html

Scroll down to "Tech Notes" at the bottom.


(He don't like you Frank, your in his Killfile. He won't see your
message unless he is like Landshark and has a imaginary kill file.)


It's clear that Vinnie avoids both confrontation


and education. But I didn't post the link for his


benefit. I posted it because others might have


the same or similar questions -- people who


want to actually learn something so they don't


need someone to hold their hand while


installing an antenna.



(that was a smack at him frank. )



Come on, Jim. Vinny takes his own "smacks" at people, unprovoked. If
you're gonna take one to task for "smacking" him, apply it evenly across
the board and direct the proper redress.



(his posts concerning his newfound amateur status was actually what this
board is all about. Never mind its about an amatuer question but rather
radio in general. He doesn't like you and the above post butresses his
point.)



Yet, Vinny expresses his own likes and dislikes in the same manner for
which you are chastising Frank. Vinny's personal dislikes and likes are
not any one elses problems except his own, yet he continues to foster
them upon the group by
redundantly invoking his imaginary killfile, fronting off by name those
he "includes" in such, yet, unyieldingly while not surprisingly, is
unable to control his actions. This is illustrated by him replying
indirectly to those he claims are killfiled, by incorrectly claiming he
reads their posts when they are quoted by another.
You usually are pretty ambivalent about getting involved in the ****ing
matches, but when you decide to do so, ignoring Vinny's unprovoked
attacks and illustrating others he is involved with, takes away from
your objectivity.





I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:38 PM

From: (Landshark)
"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:20:17 -0500, landsharkdeepthroatsmen
wrote in
:
Frank Gilliland wrote in
:
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:53:15 -0400, Vinnie the Helpless Ham
wrote:
snip
=A0=A0=A0=A0Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank,


So I used to think as well, until he lost personal control.
You saying he is not a bad guy is akin of me saying the same thing about
Geo regarding his attacks on you, the nature of such unprovoked attacks
notwithstanding. Did you miss Vinny
blowing of his top? The guy came apart over a typo that had nothing to
do with him...perhaps that was his malfunction for the day, but it shows
the guy's true self and how he was moved by a simple posting of a url.
Maybe if it was you he attacked for no reason other than incompetence
and inability to control his nasty nature, you would view things
differently, such as you do with Geo.


you two


should talk more radio, you'll probably find a


lot more in common. Now Geo I see is still


obsessed with me and male sex........pretty


sad.



Now,,I invoke to you the same exact reasoning you use for many of your
complaints with Geo,,,,why would one attack another for no reason? Ask
Vinny,,,he employed this exact tactic. Geo is no more obsessed with
anything than Vinny is by continually speaking of his imaginary
killfile. Thing is..Frank admitted many times what he is about,,Vinny
has a weird penchant for camoflauge.


I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:40 PM

From: (Vinnie=A0S.)
OK, I purchased the Imax-2000 which is a 5/8 wave antenna. There are 2
options for a ground plane kit:
1. First is a four fiberglass 6 foot radials, angled down (appears 45
degrees), as seen he
http://www.durhamradio.com/s/custome...D42819&cat=3D=
1684&page=3D1
2. This is another kit. It has four aluminum 7 foot radials. This is
horizontal, and not angeled, as seen he
http://www.majestic-comm.com/product...rsupply/Boomer
Which one would be better?
Vinnie S.
_
Ground plane kits for fiberglass antennas are designed to only relieve
your wallet.


I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:45 PM

From: (Vinnie=A0S.)
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 03:27:58 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:
s" at the bottom.
(=A0=A0=A0=A0Vinnie's not a bad guy Frank, you two should talk more
radio, you'll probably find a lot more in common. Now Geo I see is still
obsessed with me and male sex........pretty sad.)

No chance. We habe nothing in common.


Frank thrives on being an asshole. This post is
a case in point. He could have simply just


posted a link. But that is not his style. He has


to be condescending, belittling, etc. And one


thing is a common. His posts always contains


a slap at your education, and plugs his own


education. That smells of some type of


inferiority complex. And he constantly points to
Dave in comparison.



Not as much as you reference him.

One thin is for sure,


Dave would have never answered this post in


that manner.



You are either incomptent or a liar and it's high time you are called on
such. The archives are chock full of Hall attacking people unprovoked
and calling names and getting personal with people and it begins with
his posting history, long before many of us ever arrived and taught him,
and you, better.


Like I said before. I don't he went from being


an engineer to bartender, because of choice.


It was because he can't get along with people,
and was sent packing. He is a petty,


miserable, fat old man.


Vinnie S.



Classic. That's the real Vinny, there. Illustrate how personal attacks
are useless, then reduce yourself to same level. Kind of reeks of an
inferiority complex.


I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:49 PM

From: (Vinnie=A0S.)
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:01:19 GMT, Lancer wrote:
I only have the desire to put up these 2. The


Imax for CB and 10 meter, so I can talk to the


locals, and the Alpha Delta for everything else.
I have no interest in a beam. I have no interest
in running 1,000 watts on my ham radio. I am


somewhat interested in the "QRP" low power


DX. I simply want to satify the same


couriousity I had as a kid, that I have not done
so in about 21 years. That is it. It is not that


complicated. I had not picked up a CB, or a


communications book, or antenna book, in


over 21 years. This is why I am asking these


questions. But apparently, this is some sort of


crime, that needs criticizing and name calling.


Vinnie S.



Unlike *your* act of disagreeing with the posting of a certain url and
viewing it as "some sort of crime" that needed "criticizing and name
calling" by yourself. Freakin' hypocrite!


I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:50 PM

From: pam (iamnotgeorge)
Vinnie S. wrote in
:
I haven't installed it mostly because I haven't received an Alpha Delta
dipole, which is on backorder, which I plan to hang at the same time.
And since there is trench digging involved, there is no reason to dig 2
trenches, days or weeks apart. That and getting help to run and get
tools or such, and putting them in a rope and bucket, so I don't have to
climb down. Better to knock off 2 birds with one stone.
Vinnie S.

I will provide pictures of Ninnies antenna farm,
just like steveo does of Leland and doug's.


Why should that bother anyone?


I AmnotGeorgeBush April 6th 05 03:59 PM

From: (Vinnie=A0S.)

itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge(in pa) wrote:
(Hey Vinnie, if you kill file someone it means you don't read the thread
they wrote or any piggy back posts otherwise they arent killfiled )



He is a fool.



As opposed to those who regurgitate daily who is in their killfile, yet,
mamange to reply to those daily, sometimes on multiple occasions..

He has no clue what a kill file is.



Now *that* is funny.

Vinnie S.





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