jim wrote:
Steveo wrote:

jim wrote:

Looked like mama mia's home made sauce coming out the deck? Where's
the

garlic bread!?

sick ******* :)


I thought I smelled you.

Cavs got eliminated last night. Lebron watches the playoffs from
his lazy-boy.

just lurking tonight. mets are filleting the fish 10-1...

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
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On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the second pass.
I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But there is
nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass roots,
so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.

Landshark


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of becoming.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:20:49 GMT, "Landshark" wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the second pass.
I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But there is
nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass roots,
so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.


My yellow lab does that well.

Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:20:49 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the second
pass. I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But there
is nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass
roots, so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.

My yellow lab does that well.

My yellow lab, shepard, greyhound mut outruns them and has em for breakfast. I
swear I've never had a dog that can run and attack stuff as fast as this
one. I only got him about 8 months ago after my wifes brother died from
some really aggressive cancer. I already had a hound dog so I wasn't in
the market for another mooch but what the hey. He's fun to throw the
frisbee to, or a tree limb.

One of the first times my wife let him out of the house he bolted right
for a running bunny, ate his head and brung the carcass back. lol

I finally have a weekday off tomorrow, so I can wait for the plumber.

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On 22 Apr 2005 03:43:57 GMT, Steveo wrote:


My yellow lab does that well.

My yellow lab, shepard, greyhound mut outruns them and has em for breakfast. I
swear I've never had a dog that can run and attack stuff as fast as this
one. I only got him about 8 months ago after my wifes brother died from
some really aggressive cancer.

Oh my God. We have more in common than we thought. My wife's brother died the
same way. He was diagnosed on 9-11. Go figure. He died 13 months later, exactly
2 weeks from us returning from our honeymoon. He was 38. Worst yet, I had to
watch his entire family, parents, kids (9,12), watch him take his last breaths.
My wife was very close to him. She had 4 brothers. I think the biggest memory I
have from that night, other than his kids watching him die, was the look on his
father's face, who never left his side. This is something I would never wish on
my worst enemies. You are not supposed to bury your kids.


I already had a hound dog so I wasn't in
the market for another mooch but what the hey. He's fun to throw the
frisbee to, or a tree limb.

One of the first times my wife let him out of the house he bolted right
for a running bunny, ate his head and brung the carcass back. lol

My dog chases them, gets to about 5 feet, and then they explode like lightning.
He is fast, but they are just too small and too quick. It might have gotten
close if I didn't have a fence.

I finally have a weekday off tomorrow, so I can wait for the plumber.


Vinnie S.

Vinnie S. wrote:
On 22 Apr 2005 03:43:57 GMT, Steveo wrote:

My yellow lab does that well.

My yellow lab, shepard, greyhound mut outruns them and has em for
breakfast. I swear I've never had a dog that can run and attack stuff as
fast as this one. I only got him about 8 months ago after my wifes
brother died from some really aggressive cancer.

Oh my God. We have more in common than we thought. My wife's brother died
the same way. He was diagnosed on 9-11. Go figure. He died 13 months
later, exactly 2 weeks from us returning from our honeymoon. He was 38.
Worst yet, I had to watch his entire family, parents, kids (9,12), watch
him take his last breaths. My wife was very close to him. She had 4
brothers. I think the biggest memory I have from that night, other than
his kids watching him die, was the look on his father's face, who never
left his side. This is something I would never wish on my worst enemies.
You are not supposed to bury your kids.


Man that's a tough row to hoe. This guy was a surgeon of sorts, he's
the guy that has his hands in you and is handing the specialist the
tools of the trade. He was some sort of an SA with the military and
then he went back to school so that he could bill his services independent
from the hospital.

It really struck me as ironic that a guy that had fixed so many people
with surgery could die so fast, and there ain't dick the highest paid
friends of his can do about it.

You're right about the kids too. I dunno what to say to them.

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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:26:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:10:28 GMT, Lancer wrote:



Nah, I don't feel like learning anything today, why don't you do it
for me?


Here is something I learned. My 2M/440 handheld sets off my paper shredder when
it is within 3 feet. I call it remote control paper shredding.

Vinnie S.

Now if you could only teach your shredder to pick up the papers you
want shredded?

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:05:45 GMT, Lancer wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 20:26:59 -0400, Vinnie S.
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:10:28 GMT, Lancer wrote:



Nah, I don't feel like learning anything today, why don't you do it
for me?


Here is something I learned. My 2M/440 handheld sets off my paper shredder when
it is within 3 feet. I call it remote control paper shredding.

Vinnie S.

Now if you could only teach your shredder to pick up the papers you
want shredded?


Working on that !

Vinnie S.

This was colon or stomach cancer. I can't recall. But it took him from a healthy
well built individual, to a frail bone thin man, in 13 lousy months. I was wrong
about when he died. It was 2 weeks after our wedding, not honeymoon. He did make
it to our wedding, and stayed about 3 hours, which is incredible for the
condition he was in. But you are right about the speed of decline. Specifically
these pancreatic and stomach cancers.

Vinnie S.

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:20:49 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
. ..
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the second
pass.
I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But there is
nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass
roots,
so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.


My yellow lab does that well.

Vinnie S.

I've got one of those too, perfect for cats ;)

Landshark


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"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Vinnie S. wrote:
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:

I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.

You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor, and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the
second pass. I killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it.
But there is nothing you can do. They are all over, and they nest just
belowe the grass roots, so you can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

Bah. I run them over all the time in my z-cart when we feed acres of
turf at a time commercially. The furry freaks pick the damnedest places
to build a nest..right in the middle of manicured turfgrass. I'm no
bunny expert but my guess is that lawn works for quick food for the
young'ins. I used to feel bad about it 20 some years ago.

Dog got a full grown in the back yard the other night about 1AM. Wife
wanted me to do something with it. She freaked when I was going to bring it
in and clean it.

Rabbit on the barbie and I don't even have to pick out buckshot. The rednek
in me....

We did not end up eating the bunny.... It's not who wears the pants, it's
who looks more desireable then the pants are removed :)

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Vinnie S. wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:20:49 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the second
pass. I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But there
is nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass
roots, so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.

My yellow lab does that well.

My yellow lab, shepard, greyhound mut outruns them and has em for
breakfast. I
swear I've never had a dog that can run and attack stuff as fast as this
one. I only got him about 8 months ago after my wifes brother died from
some really aggressive cancer. I already had a hound dog so I wasn't in
the market for another mooch but what the hey. He's fun to throw the
frisbee to, or a tree limb.

One of the first times my wife let him out of the house he bolted right
for a running bunny, ate his head and brung the carcass back. lol

I finally have a weekday off tomorrow, so I can wait for the plumber.

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Dude I think I own your dog's cousin..... Is it absolutely nuts? This one
prolly can run down an indy car :) I'll have to get you a pic. Weird thing
is she's blonde and had black skin.... I sometimes call her 'Lil Kim.

Chad

"Chad Wahls" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Vinnie S. wrote:
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:

I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.

You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman lawn
tractor, and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the
second pass. I killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about
it. But there is nothing you can do. They are all over, and they nest
just belowe the grass roots, so you can't see them unless you step on
them.

Vinnie S.

Bah. I run them over all the time in my z-cart when we feed acres of
turf at a time commercially. The furry freaks pick the damnedest places
to build a nest..right in the middle of manicured turfgrass. I'm no
bunny expert but my guess is that lawn works for quick food for the
young'ins. I used to feel bad about it 20 some years ago.

Dog got a full grown in the back yard the other night about 1AM. Wife
wanted me to do something with it. She freaked when I was going to bring
it in and clean it.

Rabbit on the barbie and I don't even have to pick out buckshot. The
rednek in me....

We did not end up eating the bunny.... It's not who wears the pants, it's
who looks more desireable then the pants are removed :)

No doubt about that, Chad. :)

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"Chad Wahls" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message
...
Vinnie S. wrote:
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 03:20:49 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


"Vinnie S." wrote in message
.. .
On 22 Apr 2005 00:34:15 GMT, Steveo wrote:


I hope your parakeet doesn't land on it as you key up.


You're getting warmer. I was cutting the grass with my Craftsman
lawn tractor,
and I ran over a nest of rabbits. I didn't see them until the
second pass. I
killed 1, at least 4 got away. I felt pretty bad about it. But
there is nothing
you can do. They are all over, and they nest just belowe the grass
roots, so you
can't see them unless you step on them.

Vinnie S.

You need a good German Short Hair pointer,
they'll find them rascally rabbits.

My yellow lab does that well.

My yellow lab, shepard, greyhound mut outruns them and has em for
breakfast. I
swear I've never had a dog that can run and attack stuff as fast as
this one. I only got him about 8 months ago after my wifes brother died
from some really aggressive cancer. I already had a hound dog so I
wasn't in the market for another mooch but what the hey. He's fun to
throw the frisbee to, or a tree limb.

One of the first times my wife let him out of the house he bolted right
for a running bunny, ate his head and brung the carcass back. lol

I finally have a weekday off tomorrow, so I can wait for the plumber.

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leave.

Dude I think I own your dog's cousin..... Is it absolutely nuts? This
one prolly can run down an indy car :) I'll have to get you a pic.
Weird thing is she's blonde and had black skin.... I sometimes call her
'Lil Kim.

Chad

LOL. Twins perhaps.

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:42:29 GMT, "Landshark" wrote:


My yellow lab does that well.

Vinnie S.

I've got one of those too, perfect for cats ;)


I have a cat too !

The cat was my wife's, and I married it along with her. The dog and cat never
had a problem from the beginning. But that might be because my wife's cat is
battle tested. It grew up with 2 pit bulls (my father in-law's).

Vinnie S.

"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:42:29 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


My yellow lab does that well.

Vinnie S.

I've got one of those too, perfect for cats ;)


I have a cat too !

The cat was my wife's, and I married it along with her. The dog and cat
never
had a problem from the beginning. But that might be because my wife's cat
is
battle tested. It grew up with 2 pit bulls (my father in-law's).

Vinnie S.

LOL!!! Not me, never really like kitty Kats., neither
have my dogs.

Landshark


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and are flawed, but win out in the end
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"Landshark" wrote:
"Vinnie S." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:42:29 GMT, "Landshark"
wrote:


My yellow lab does that well.

Vinnie S.

I've got one of those too, perfect for cats ;)


I have a cat too !

The cat was my wife's, and I married it along with her. The dog and cat
never
had a problem from the beginning. But that might be because my wife's
cat is
battle tested. It grew up with 2 pit bulls (my father in-law's).

Vinnie S.

LOL!!! Not me, never really like kitty Kats., neither
have my dogs.

Landshark

They are a necessity in the barn, damn field mice would take over the
place otherwise.

How about you figure out a few important things before you "stiff-arm" the
guy.
Important question #1--Is the guy running a legal station?
" " #2--Are you using a decent radio to receive the
fire frequency?
" " #3--Is your antenna system correctly installed
using decent connectors etc?
" " #4--Is there some piece of metal on / near the
roof corroded enough to cause Intermod?
These are a good start.
Next problem--the computer speakers etc.--Tuff cookies. If your scanner,
telephone, clock radio, stereo, tv audio system, computer speakers & a host
of other consumer devices are having a problem with cb energy close
by....look in your own house for the problem first before you send the
moustaches over to your neighbor. Most times these problems occur due to
corroded or improper connector installation, poor shielding of the chassis,
poor bypassing of leads entering the device to name a few errors.

In general, I doubt you will get anywhere with the fcc based on consumer
device problems.
You might get their attention if the interference is constant on your fire
radios.
However, by fire radios I mean bonafide units like Motorola, Icom, Kenwood,
MA/COM, Vertex, Harris, Tait etc.
If you are referring to a typical scanner, that, falls back into the realm
of consumer devices & the concern is not great there.

Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.
One of them is that you must make sure your house is in order before you
storm the castle in search of Frankenstein's monster.

Good luck.
bc

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
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On 19 Apr 2005 12:29:01 -0700, "T.B. Parks"
wrote in .com:

My neighbor installed a CB radio antenna and now I am picking up his
conversations via my computer speakers and answering machine. This has
gotten to be a really big problem for me and my family. It even
interferes with our fire radios.

Can anyone tell me why this is happening and how to fix it. (Short of
going over and cutting the wires!?)

Thanks in advance,

Jade


First, communicate with your neighbor about the problem. If he refuses
to fix the problem, file a complaint (in conjuction with your FD) with
the FCC (www.fcc.gov) since he is interfering with an emergency radio
communication service. If all else fails, talk to an attorney about
the neighbor and local laws regarding nuisances.

BobC wrote :
Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.
One of them is that you must make sure your house is in order before you
storm the castle in search of Frankenstein's monster.

Good luck.
bc

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right??? It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade

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"Jade" wrote:
BobC wrote :
Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.
One of them is that you must make sure your house is in order before
you storm the castle in search of Frankenstein's monster.

Good luck.
bc

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right???

No. But he still has rights to use his CB. Sometimes it's the cheap
consumer electronics that are to blame. I'm not saying that's the
case for you tho.

It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Good luck.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.

Have you made him aware that he's causing problems, and if so, what was
his response?

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade

Agreed, Jade.

Btw, who is "T.B. Parks"?

Steveo,

We have made him aware of the situation and the guy is not in any hurry
to stop using his illegal equipment. DH spoke with a fellow at him job
that know alot about cber cause he use to be one. he knew right off
the bat what the guy was using before dh could say anything. I know he
has the right to use his cb but we have the right not to hear his
conversations. The computer speakers are connected to a dell computer
so nothing cheap here. :D (I know what you are talking about) :D

TB Parks is another account I have to post to Google groups.

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Steveo,

We have made him aware of the situation and the guy is not in any hurry to
stop using his illegal equipment. DH spoke with a fellow at him job that
know alot about cber cause he use to be one. he knew right off the bat
what the guy was using before dh could say anything. I know he has the
right to use his cb but we have the right not to hear his conversations.
The computer speakers are connected to a dell computer so nothing cheap
here. :D


Oh really? Dell is the pitts! Build your own with a good motherboard. Dell
is just overpriced Intel junk.



(I know what you are talking about) :D

TB Parks is another account I have to post to Google groups.

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:20:38 GMT, "Jade"
wrote:

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right??? It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade


Work with him. Try the frielndly approach first. Maybe he will try to slove the
problem. He might be running power, or he might have a legal power radio that is
hacked and splattering from over-modulation.

Vinnie S.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:20:38 GMT, "Jade"
wrote:

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right??? It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.


He is running ILLEGAL power but he has rights? ROTFLMAO

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade


Work with him. Try the frielndly approach first. Maybe he will try to slove the
problem. He might be running power, or he might have a legal power radio that is
hacked and splattering from over-modulation.

Vinnie S.

Yes, WORK with the ILLEGAL guy, dont ruffle the ILLEGAL guys feathers,
the ILLEGAL guy might get mad.

Steveo,

We have made him aware of the situation and the guy is not in any hurry
to stop using his illegal equipment. DH spoke with a fellow at him job
that know alot about cber cause he use to be one. he knew right off
the bat what the guy was using before dh could say anything. I know he
has the right to use his cb but we have the right not to hear his
conversations. The computer speakers are connected to a dell computer
so nothing cheap here. :D (I know what you are talking about) :D

Jade, if he is operating ILLEGALLY --- he has NO RIGHTS.

CB radio (the legal kind) is not a right, it is a privilege. Most CBers do not
understand why interference is created or how to fix it. That is why power
amplifers or modified radios are banned for their use. So the only way he
can "work with you" is to cease using his ILLEGAL equipment. Do you think
he will stop if you ask him?

If he won't stop, it IS your right to complain to the FCC and your local
authorities regarding public nuisance charges. Don't let any of the illegal
Bers in this group tell you otherwise.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:20:38 GMT, "Jade"

wrote:

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right??? It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade

Well Jade,
That's pretty much the drill.
You have no proof that this guy is running anything illegal.
You might keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true.
You have the obligation to ensure your consumer electronics are not at
fault.
That means adding whatever filtering is needed on your end.
If adding the proper filtering doesn't fix things, then you might have an
issue.
The Fed's already know all about cheap, unfiltered consumer gear.
When you call them, they'll make you aware of it.

Your Dell & speakers are not filtered for this interference.
This goes for your scanner, your toaster and whatever else.

Get your act together and then go after whomever.
Before you can even get someone else involved, they're going to
ask if you applied the correct filtering first. If not, they'll advise you
to
do so and call them back if it doesn't work.

Those are your rights.
Now stop whining & do your part.

"Jade" wrote:
-snip-

Good luck with the RF problem, 'Jade'.

TB Parks is another account I have to post to Google groups.

I figured it was you. My last name is Parks so you had me wondering
if we were shirt tail relatives. :)

wrote:
Steveo,

We have made him aware of the situation and the guy is not in any hurry
to stop using his illegal equipment. DH spoke with a fellow at him job
that know alot about cber cause he use to be one. he knew right off
the bat what the guy was using before dh could say anything. I know he
has the right to use his cb but we have the right not to hear his
conversations. The computer speakers are connected to a dell computer
so nothing cheap here. :D (I know what you are talking about) :D

Jade, if he is operating ILLEGALLY --- he has NO RIGHTS.

Hey Jade, reckon you want to listen to a fool that does this with his coax?

http://img179.echo.cx/my.php?image=scan00036ta.jpg

The gutless HT walkie-talkie ham operator bit off more than he can chew
this time at the freeband lunch counter.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:50:33 -0400, "BobC"
wrote in :

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:20:38 GMT, "Jade"

wrote:

We have to make sure our house is in order and this guy can interfere
with what ever right??? It is very apparent as to what he is doing.
One conversation was about causing trouble for others on differnet
channels. I have recorded all of the conversations and will forward
them to whom ever I need to.

Is it legal for he the boost power? lenears??!! Maybe this is why we
are having the problem.

As far as I a concerned he can play all day on the cb just don't bother
me with it.

Jade

Well Jade,
That's pretty much the drill.
You have no proof that this guy is running anything illegal.


The fact that he's transmitting enough power to drive a pair of
speakers at a distance is a pretty good indication that it's a bit
more than 4 watts.


You might keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true.
You have the obligation to ensure your consumer electronics are not at
fault.


Only if the station is operating legally.


That means adding whatever filtering is needed on your end.
If adding the proper filtering doesn't fix things, then you might have an
issue.
The Fed's already know all about cheap, unfiltered consumer gear.
When you call them, they'll make you aware of it.


The Feds also know about cheap, unfiltered, Class-C "linears".


Your Dell & speakers are not filtered for this interference.
This goes for your scanner, your toaster and whatever else.

Get your act together and then go after whomever.
Before you can even get someone else involved, they're going to
ask if you applied the correct filtering first. If not, they'll advise you
to
do so and call them back if it doesn't work.

Those are your rights.
Now stop whining & do your part.


Quit making excuses for irresponsible CBers.








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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:43:03 -0400, "BobC"
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Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.


CBers to not have the right to operate illegally. OTOH, the neighbors
-do- have the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their homes. That's
why almost all residential areas are subject to laws prohibiting noise
pollution and other nuisances.






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Frank Gilliland wrote:
Quit making excuses for irresponsible CBers.

Who listens? Who cares?

Lancer wrote:
On 25 Apr 2005 22:55:52 GMT, Steveo wrote:

"Jade" wrote:
-snip-

Good luck with the RF problem, 'Jade'.

TB Parks is another account I have to post to Google groups.

I figured it was you. My last name is Parks so you had me wondering
if we were shirt tail relatives. :)

I thought your last name was Peebles?

Only on the new HT I bought for Dayton.

BobC was thinking very hard :
Those are your rights.
Now stop whining & do your part.

Another excuse maker!

Jade

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Lancer wrote:
On 26 Apr 2005 00:15:42 GMT, Steveo wrote:

"Jade" wrote:
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I tried mesnews awhile back and liked it, but I never posted with
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Steve, have you tried that nascar scanner yet?

I have a scanner and the noise canceling headphones that I take to
the races. It's killer to be able to listen to the driver/spotter/crew
chief. I wouldn't go to a live Nascar race without it.

**** paying those jackass's for the frequency's when you can get them
for free here.

http://motorsports.thepaddock.com/freqs.html

Lancer wrote:
On 26 Apr 2005 00:30:44 GMT, Steveo wrote:

Lancer wrote:
On 26 Apr 2005 00:15:42 GMT, Steveo wrote:

"Jade" wrote:
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Steve, have you tried that nascar scanner yet?

I have a scanner and the noise canceling headphones that I take to
the races. It's killer to be able to listen to the driver/spotter/crew
chief. I wouldn't go to a live Nascar race without it.

**** paying those jackass's for the frequency's when you can get them
for free here.

http://motorsports.thepaddock.com/freqs.html

I agree, but I was talking about raceday scanner on nascar.com.

You can listen to them on your computer..plays in real player.

I did that track-pass thing for awhile, if that's sorta what you
are speaking of, but I ended up canceling it.

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 23:24:49 -0400, "BobC"
wrote in :


"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:50:33 -0400, "BobC"
wrote in :

Well Jade,
That's pretty much the drill.
You have no proof that this guy is running anything illegal.

The fact that he's transmitting enough power to drive a pair of
speakers at a distance is a pretty good indication that it's a bit
more than 4 watts.

Frank, you'll need to do beter than that.
I've got a stock cobra in my pickup that can do this to telephones from 2
driveways away.
Stop to consider the circuitry in front of the speakers.
A high gain audio amp of dubious quality, connected to a few feet of
unshielded wire?
Easily overloaded DAC's on a sound card?
Little or no rf filtering on the hi level outputs / inputs to the sound
card?
Cheap, hi gain front ends on a scanner? (My assumption is he uses a scanner)
Gimme a break.
_________________


Ok, let's consider the circuitry in front of the speakers: Assuming
the speakers do not have their own power amps, the amps are enclosed
in a fully (or almost fully) shielded case. The only unshielded lines
into the case are pairs; i.e, only common mode currents can enter the
case. Excluding the power line (filtered by the power supply) and the
phone line (filtered by the modem transformer), the only means of
entry is through the speaker wires connected to a very low impedance
power amp. And assuming the power amp uses feedback (and that
rectification of the RF occurs at the power amp stage), it would take
just as much power to distort the amps' intended output (and therefore
cause audio feedback of the demodulated RF) as it would to drive the
speakers directly. That also assumes an efficient antenna -- resonant
lengths of speaker wire.

Now if the speakers are amplified externally (amp in the speakers),
they are more than likely driven by a shielded cable. Regardless,
almost all low-level preamps are designed for high common-mode
rejection (we're talking 60-90 dB+ at each stage); and since the low
impedance of the power amp is no less suseptible to RFI than if the
amp was enclosed in the computer case, it would -still- take a
considerable amount of RF power on the lines to drive the speakers.

This is not just theory but fact -- they are designed this way for the
specific purpose of eliminating that annoying AC hum and digital RFI
that permeates most houses, -especially- the horrific noise generated
by computer monitors and light dimmers. "Overloaded DAC's"? I don't
think so, Bob. How do you overload a DAC? YOU will have to do better
than THAT.


You might keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true.
You have the obligation to ensure your consumer electronics are not at
fault.

Only if the station is operating legally.

It's the other way around chief.
You make sure the consumer devices are protected first.
Those devices must accept interference from licensed transmitters.
And yes, even cb's are licensed to transmit even though an operator's
license is not required.
__________________


Authorization to transmit with a CB is automatically revoked when the
station is operating illegally. Shall I cite the code?


That means adding whatever filtering is needed on your end.
If adding the proper filtering doesn't fix things, then you might have an
issue.
The Fed's already know all about cheap, unfiltered consumer gear.
When you call them, they'll make you aware of it.


The Feds also know about cheap, unfiltered, Class-C "linears".

Which is all well and good but until you've satisfied the feds that
your consumer grade stuff is properly filtered, they aren't going to bother
sending anyone out to check.
_________________


They won't send anyone out regardless. They don't care about the CB.
But they do suck up to the ham community, and if it turns out that
this guy has a license they may indeed take action if they find he is
operating illegally (i.e, using power on the CB).


Your Dell & speakers are not filtered for this interference.
This goes for your scanner, your toaster and whatever else.

Get your act together and then go after whomever.
Before you can even get someone else involved, they're going to
ask if you applied the correct filtering first. If not, they'll advise you
to
do so and call them back if it doesn't work.

Those are your rights.
Now stop whining & do your part.


Quit making excuses for irresponsible CBers.

Right after holier than thou, know-it-all's step down from their hi horses
& get a grip on reality.
____________________
So far, I've not read from Jade anything that remotely suggests he or she
has
a serious interference complaint involving another radio service. I read
"fire service"
radio and I invited Jade to tell me what he/she considers a fire service
radio.
Scanners don't count.


Actually, they do. If someone is causing interference to a scanner,
it's very possible..... nay, -likely-..... that he will also cause
interference to an emergency service radio that happens to be in close
proximity. This is a problem because while the cops chase the killer
with the gun running through the neighborhood, Andy the Amphead keys
up and the guy gets away (or worse) because the cops lose comm.


I haven't seen any real proof that the neighbor is running an illegal
station.
Jade has not indicated other neighbors are complaining of similar events.
Such complaints might induce me to think the cb'er is running power.


Then that would be a good question to ask. So ask it.


Unless or until someone brings more convincing proof of the allegations,
I'm going with the notion it's a singular complaint due the quality of the
consumer electronics invloved.

You'll excuse me if I happen to believe in "reasonable doubt" &
"due process" instead of conjecture & unfounded finger pointing.
bc


How about "civic responsibility"?





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On 25 Apr 2005 19:48:48 -0700, "Cliff" wrote
in . com:

If a CB radio is legal on wattage out, he doesn't have to clean up that
image on any of older TV models. Older TV models are horrific in
picking up 'legal transmissions' The TV/computer owner wil need to put
some filters inline to take care of the problem if the CB is legal.


Televisions have always had problems with CB radios because the second
harmonic falls right on channel 2. But that second harmonic is
supposed to be supressed (filtered) to a point where it's effect is
negligible. A stock, unmodified, untweaked radio will usually not
cause interference to a TV unless you mount the antenna right next to
the set.

The problem is the golden screwdrivers and internet techs who tweak &
peak their radios for modulation and/or power without regard to the
resulting increase of harmonics. Even if power is kept to the legal
limit, the modulation limiter can be modified for overmodulation, and
therefore cause a big increase in harmonics. This is why modification
of the radio is illegal. And modification of the radio voids your
authorization to use it, regardless of the RFI suseptibility of a TV.







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If a CB radio is legal on wattage out, he doesn't have to clean up that
image on any of older TV models. Older TV models are horrific in
picking up 'legal transmissions' The TV/computer owner wil need to put
some filters inline to take care of the problem if the CB is legal.
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:43:03 -0400, "BobC"
wrote in :

snip
Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.


CBers to not have the right to operate illegally. OTOH, the neighbors
-do- have the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their homes. That's
why almost all residential areas are subject to laws prohibiting
noise
pollution and other nuisances.






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If a CB radio is legal on wattage out, he doesn't have to clean up that
image on any of older TV models. Older TV models are horrific in
picking up 'legal transmissions' The TV/computer owner wil need to put
some filters inline to take care of the problem if the CB is legal.
Frank Gilliland wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 13:43:03 -0400, "BobC"
wrote in :

snip
Even lowly cb'ers do have some rights.


CBers to not have the right to operate illegally. OTOH, the neighbors
-do- have the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their homes. That's
why almost all residential areas are subject to laws prohibiting
noise
pollution and other nuisances.






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