On Tue, 17 May 2005 07:32:43 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote in :

On Mon, 16 May 2005 13:46:48 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

On Mon, 16 May 2005 08:56:31 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote in :

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See, this is what's so puzzling about you Frank. Once in a while you
unload with a brilliant piece of perspective, which is at total odds
with your status in life. You're one hell of an underachiever.


Dr. Kramer probably wouldn't agree. Do you want the book or not?

Frank, I can get as much information as I need right from the
internet. It's a lot better than finding places to keep all those
books.


Hence the source of your ingnorance and the reason you find me to be
so "puzzling".

No, I find you puzzling because you are so pompous and arrogant about
what you claim as "knowledge" yet, the application of such knowledge
in your own life has been dismally short of achievement. You are
either an accomplished liar, or a severe underachiever.


You ignore any other possibilities.


For a guy who claims to know as much, and has done as much as you have
claimed, all you have to show for yourself is a job as a bartender,
driving a 20+ year old vehicle?


Only if that's how you measure "achievement". I'm not that
superficial.


You're a regular Cliff Clavin.


Even if I did work for the USPS, I'd rather deliver mail than pizzas.


Now you muse about starting a lawn care service. No offense to Steveo,
but that's not exactly the skill level job that a man of your supposed
"credentials" should be aspiring to.


By your standards. But you can't seem to understand that not everyone
lives by your standards, Dave.


So, what's your (latest) excuse?

A man who truly knows the things that you try to pass off to the rest
of us here, would be in a high level engineering or marketing
position,


Done that. Boring.


or perhaps a stint as a university professor,


Done that. Fun, but the pay sucks until you get tenure.


or maybe a
government contractor.


No thanks, I've taken a look at a few government contracts. They
barely fit the definition of "legally binding".


Or maybe you'd work with me.


Doubtful. I -order- pizzas, I don't deliver them.


The bottom line Frank, is that you talk a great line, but you produce
very little. I can tell that by the way you approach CB radio
troubleshooting. You offer only generic troubleshooting 101 solutions
to problems, which indicates that you have very little direct
experience with actually repairing a CB radio, which have known
problem areas.


Uh-huh, that's why I narrowed the buzzing-radio problem down to the
voltage regulator while you were busy defending your highly
generalized assumption that the problem is "almost always caps", huh?


But you go right ahead and limit yourself to the
internet for your sole source of information

Once again you make assumptions, a repetitive pattern for you. I never
said the internet was my SOLE source of information.


Wrong. You said, "I can get as much information as I need right from
the internet." You can try and spin the semantics all you want but it
means the same thing.


But it is the
fastest and easiest source of information on a variety of topics,
especially current events. It was the internet, that first blew the
lid off of "Rathergate", and exposed it as the propaganda smear that
it was intended to be. The Blog has become a powerful tool to expose
media bias and helps to parse the stories in order to gain the truth.
Sure you can read about something in a book, but the internet is
instantaneous, interactive, and ever evolving. There are decisive
advantages to that.


Speaking of 'media bias', are you keeping up-to-date on the status of
one of your staunchly anti-gay, conservative Republicans that happens
to be the mayor of my home town?

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/jimwest/


-- let me know when you
find the winding specifications for an Ajax M-2-145T, or the firearm
most preferred by Deep-River Jim, or why Bessie slashed up her own
portrait.

If I had any interest in those subjects, I'm sure I'd find them,
assuming these people are significant.


I doubt you could find them even if you wanted to.


But while we're on the subject, I have found much information on the
local history of my local area, and the trolley, rail, and canal lines
that used to run through here over the turn of the century. I have
found the horsepower specifications for the triple expansion 4
cylinder piston engines in the Titanic, as well as the Parson's
Turbine center engine. I have tracked radio wave propagation, tides, a
web cam of my favorite lake, and my friend's pool. There is nothing
you can read in print, than can't be scanned into a web page, or pdf
file.


Yet so much -hasn't- been scanned.


I have the complete Cisco router manuals on CD ROM. I have
access to repeater user's groups where we can seek out and share each
other's expertise to solve problems. The list is endless Frank.


It's far from endless, Dave. It doesn't even have endless potential.


I might read an intriguing novel by the fireplace on a cool winter's
night, but if it's information that I want, the fingers fly to the
keyboard.


Find a link that explains why you can see the Douglas Firs
towering above you in the middle of the woods on a pitch-black and
starless night.

I'd rather just witness that myself first hand. I do a lot of camping
you know.


No, I don't know. If you haven't witnessed what I described then maybe
you haven't done as much camping as you claim.


Download the feelings of watching Israeli officers
picking off Palistinian schoolkids running out of a burning building
like they were ducks in a shooting gallery.

And what? You read that in a book?


No, I was there, fool. How long have you -really- been in this
newsgroup?


I've come close though. I have
corresponded, via E-Mail, with U.S. army folks fighting in Iraq, in
order to get their personal perspective on the situation. It's a far
different picture than what the mainstream media wants us to think.


You don't have a clue, Dave. I'm sure you can exercise your
imagination, but there are experiences in combat situations that have
no comparison or common frame of reference to pizza delivery drivers.


I'm sure you can find a
site that has the cyber-smell file of a Northwest sawmill.

As I'm sure you can from a book. But you can go to a Home Depot and
get a similar effect.


It's not the same. It's like saying you know what a homemade apple pie
tastes like because you once bought a Hostess pastry at the 7/11.


And I'm
sure there's some adapter you can plug into the USB port that will let
you enjoy the unmatched hospitality (and world-class pastries) offered
by a family of Norwegians when all you did was ask to fill up your
water can.

When have you been to Norway?


1984.


Did you need to order some new imported
beer for the bar?


No, but I did buy a large 'Norwegian' Bud at a small grocery store. I
think I still have the label stashed away somewhere. I also might have
a couple labels from bottles of Maccabe beer from Israel. I'm pretty
sure I have a couple phone tokens and a few sheckels in coins.


The internet is fun but it's no substitute for books, people, nature,
or direct experiences. But you think that you can get everything you
need from your computer. You are a fool, Dave.

I never claimed to get ALL of my information from the internet. Only
that I can research any topic that I wish on the internet and get the
same or better information a heck of a lot quicker and easier than
using the old fashioned method of buying (or borrowing) a book.


That's only true if the info is available on the net. So much info
-isn't- on the net.


You, on the other hand, need to get away from the left coast. It's
really affecting your perception.


"The West is the best".







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