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Dan,
I must ask ... did you rotate the whole county to turn the beam? :) 73, Jim AA2QA "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... "KØHB" wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M, but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football field of a local High School. Anyhow, Happy Birthday! 73, de Hans, K0HB Happy B-day guy. Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Dan/W4NTI |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g Hello, Mopar No, but my head would have believe do the next day :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:08:37 -0700, John Smith wrote:
: You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio : dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when Difficult premise, coupled with a fuzzy definition. What does "dying" mean to you? If you're going to assert that amateur radio is dying, then you need to come up with a working definition of "dying" so that others can decide if you're right. My problem is that, when I review the statistics, there isn't any such process which can be clearly identified. True, over the very recent past the total number of licenses has declined, but that decline is on the order of 2% since April, 2004. If the baseline is made longer, and totals going back to 1995 are examined, a 2% change in the total amateur population is seen to lie well within the noise (two year variance). It is therefore difficult to decide if it is significant without resorting to a detailed statistical analysis. My sense is that it isn't significant (yet). It looks as though the trend line (least-squares, linear fit) is horizontal, and only additional time will tell if it really has a negative slope. To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." |
.... dream on...
John "Stagger Lee" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 May 2005 17:08:37 -0700, John Smith wrote: : You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio : dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when Difficult premise, coupled with a fuzzy definition. What does "dying" mean to you? If you're going to assert that amateur radio is dying, then you need to come up with a working definition of "dying" so that others can decide if you're right. My problem is that, when I review the statistics, there isn't any such process which can be clearly identified. True, over the very recent past the total number of licenses has declined, but that decline is on the order of 2% since April, 2004. If the baseline is made longer, and totals going back to 1995 are examined, a 2% change in the total amateur population is seen to lie well within the noise (two year variance). It is therefore difficult to decide if it is significant without resorting to a detailed statistical analysis. My sense is that it isn't significant (yet). It looks as though the trend line (least-squares, linear fit) is horizontal, and only additional time will tell if it really has a negative slope. To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." |
Dan:
You will never find me using cw... you will never finding me talking to anyone of your ilk... fear not... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB |
Naaa, it is true--I was the one who drank all the beer so they'd have those
cans to use... grin Warmest regards, John "KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John Hello, John I suspect that Morse testing will be dropped. When, I'm not sure, but some countries have done so already. I honestly believe (but could be wrong) that most of the older amateurs (say the 20 wpm extra gang of which I am one) do not believe that Morse should be required. Hopefully, that will end some of the contention amongst some of us. The reality is that amateur radio does need some infusion of young blood. Having just celebrated my 58th birthday, I can appreciate that LOL. There are a lot of different forms of communication. I suspect that some people will be attracted to amateur radio simply because of the vast amount of experimentation that can be done at reasonable powers (you don't need kilowatts, but a few milliwatts may not suffice). I've been moderating one Yahoo group (and now co-own it) which is devoted to helping folks get their tickets. The biggest thing is not to have the hams flame the cbers or scanner enthusiasts. We are all interested in radio (or television - or other modes, for that matter) and the flame wars are the biggest deterrent (not Morse code), at least in my mind. Flame wars do *not* happen. Moderation until folks calm down and removal or even banning if they continue. There are too many good folks in cb and amateur radio (not to mention scanner and sw folks) to let the flamers wreck everything. As far as mental ability, I tried like heck to kill mine when I celebrated my birthday. The only result was a big headache LOL. You and I might have a minor disagreement, but it appears you are willing to discuss it. So am I. As to typing, I had an interview some number of years ago and when it was mentioned that the individual that was to be replaced was producing their newsletter, I mentioned that I could type over 65 words per minute on a bad day into a headwind. When they said "we don't type anymore, we use computers", I stated that I believed it was time to call a halt to the interview. Certainly keyboards have changed a bit (I remember close to 50 years ago, my father had an old typewriter with a "cents" figure on it), but the keys (alpha and numerics) are laid out the same. Yes, the computer keyboard has an extra set of keys with numbers (use the numbers lock) on it. Still, I have no problem with 65 words per minute. I admit I'm down a bit from the time I had to fight a 100 word per minute teletype to get burst of 92 words per minute out, but I still have no real problem either typing or programming. Some of us are trying to pass the torch to younger folks. The plain fact is that amateur radio need younger folks (not to mention more women). If you might be interested in joining, please e-mail me off group. The address is 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Landshark" wrote in message .. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hampton" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.cb Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Just for grins - CW Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! OMG, she couldn't count backwards? This is what the future has to look forward too. I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. No test for people in life, you & I both know that :) What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark Hello, Sharkie My bad. I meant 700 watt system - not something from the 70s LOL. All Bose speakers. A couple hundred watts on the bass alone (and it does shake, although I keep the volume down). Good to hear from you too. I'm not really mad, just disappointed that folks don't understand the need for regulation. I have a dog and she stays in the house for the most part. When I have her out, if she barks more than a few times, I bring her in. The neighbors don't need to hear a dog barking for 20 minutes or more. Same thing with the stereo system. Heck, I've made a mistake in the past. Had a party with the Hammond turned up pretty well (as well as the Leslies) and the cops showed up. I apologized and shut it off. Never done that since (and that was 25 years ago). No biggie; anyone can make a mistake. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
John Smith wrote:
Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. |
Stagger Lee wrote:
To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like to think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior. |
Don't need it anywhere... well, the amateur exam... then one can move on...
Warmest regards, John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. |
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the
population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Stagger Lee wrote: To reiterate, those who run around claiming that "amateur radio is dying" can't seem to either articulate what "dying" means or to prove their case. And as the old Shania Twain song says, "That don't impress me much." Those who are too dumb or lazy to get a license like to parrot the old standard, 'ham radio is dying". They can't make the grade so they like to think ham radio will someday go away then they won't feel so inferior. |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Dan, I must ask ... did you rotate the whole county to turn the beam? :) 73, Jim AA2QA I don't remember....... Dan/W4NTI |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB Wow Hans, thats the same way in the Army and Air Force. The Marines believe anything.....just kidding. Dan/W4NTI |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Then explain to me what it is you just did?
Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dan: You will never find me using cw... you will never finding me talking to anyone of your ilk... fear not... John "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message ink.net... I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Just the increase in illegal aliens qualifies for "leaps and bounds"
status... Warmest regards, John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying--don't you realize the population is growing in leaps and bounds... and still hams dwindle (and inactive numbers are LARGE)--get some geriatric medication for that alzheimers man! Warmest regards, John The general population is NOT growing by leaps and bounds. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. |
Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give
'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote:
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dan/W4NTI" wrote Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Hey Dan, Do you know how to tell the difference between a fairy-tale and a sea-story? Scroll down A fairy-tale starts out --- "Once upon a time....." A sea-story starts out --- "Now this is no ****....." dit dit 73, de Hans, K0HB Wow Hans, thats the same way in the Army and Air Force. The Marines believe anything.....just kidding. Dan/W4NTI This looks like submarine duty down here. |
"John Smith" wrote:
Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. |
Steveo:
You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. |
"John Smith" wrote:
Steveo: You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. -top post corrected- You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John Oh calling CBer's gay is a new approach, ****stick. I'm done reading yore tripe. -buh bye- |
Hey, it is ok to be gay, you can't help it (true you did come into the world
defecating a size one, and now a size eleven--EWWWWWWWWWW!)... don't go away mad, just go away... grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Steveo: You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. -top post corrected- You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John Oh calling CBer's gay is a new approach, ****stick. I'm done reading yore tripe. -buh bye- |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark Hello, Sharkie My bad. I meant 700 watt system - not something from the 70s LOL. All Bose speakers. A couple hundred watts on the bass alone (and it does shake, although I keep the volume down). Good to hear from you too. I'm not really mad, just disappointed that folks don't understand the need for regulation. I have a dog and she stays in the house for the most part. When I have her out, if she barks more than a few times, I bring her in. The neighbors don't need to hear a dog barking for 20 minutes or more. I know the feeling. I also know, neighbors should work things out rather than call the police over such trivial things. Same thing with the stereo system. Heck, I've made a mistake in the past. Had a party with the Hammond turned up pretty well (as well as the Leslies) and the cops showed up. I apologized and shut it off. Never done that since (and that was 25 years ago). No biggie; anyone can make a mistake. Know the feeling :) I had my cousins out last year, Thursday night and was out in my backyard 2 minutes past 10, started heading into the house and they came a running out and said the music was keeping their kid awake. Went over the next morning, Six pack & bottle of wine in hand as an apology, the wife says "oh you were keeping me awake". I mean, it's not like I do this but once every 3 years, show a little patience., I do when they start firing off fireworks into the air, midweek after 10pm. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Landshark -- Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. |
Hmmm, construct a HERF... that'll keep the neighbors busy...
Warmest regards, John "Landshark" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark Hello, Sharkie My bad. I meant 700 watt system - not something from the 70s LOL. All Bose speakers. A couple hundred watts on the bass alone (and it does shake, although I keep the volume down). Good to hear from you too. I'm not really mad, just disappointed that folks don't understand the need for regulation. I have a dog and she stays in the house for the most part. When I have her out, if she barks more than a few times, I bring her in. The neighbors don't need to hear a dog barking for 20 minutes or more. I know the feeling. I also know, neighbors should work things out rather than call the police over such trivial things. Same thing with the stereo system. Heck, I've made a mistake in the past. Had a party with the Hammond turned up pretty well (as well as the Leslies) and the cops showed up. I apologized and shut it off. Never done that since (and that was 25 years ago). No biggie; anyone can make a mistake. Know the feeling :) I had my cousins out last year, Thursday night and was out in my backyard 2 minutes past 10, started heading into the house and they came a running out and said the music was keeping their kid awake. Went over the next morning, Six pack & bottle of wine in hand as an apology, the wife says "oh you were keeping me awake". I mean, it's not like I do this but once every 3 years, show a little patience., I do when they start firing off fireworks into the air, midweek after 10pm. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Landshark -- Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. |
John Smith wrote:
By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying Well, shrinking, anyway. The total number of US hams is down slightly from the peak of a few years ago, while the total US population continues to grow. But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written testing for all available license classes. IOW, making the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in sustained growth. Looking further back, examine the growth from 1990 or 1991 to 2000. (1990 is when medical waivers made it possible to get any amateur license with a 5 wpm test, and 1991 is when the Technician lost its code test. Then compare the growth in that 9 year period to the growth in an equal period of time before 1990 or 1991. You'll find that the overall increase in the '80s was *greater* than in the '90s. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
wrote But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written testing for all available license classes. IOW, making the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in sustained growth. Two questions: 1) Is this shrinkage due to... a. Less new applicants b. Increased attrition 2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage... a. Yes b. No dit dit (Note Farnsworth spacing) de Hans, K0HB |
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It is obvious there is a decline in interest in amateur radio, I think the
reasons are many, since the gear is constructed for such a small "nitch" of users--the equip is expensive--this is only one more reason for the decline. I have never heard anyone complain the exams were too difficult (of course, I am mainly around college age kids who go for a license), it is always the code--they hate it--some can be pushed to complete the code to get the license--after, they simply never use the code again...most of these young fellows are interested in GHz freqs and above...and how a computer can be interfaced with the radio... Warmest regards, John wrote in message oups.com... John Smith wrote: By the ARRL own statistics, ham radio is dying Well, shrinking, anyway. The total number of US hams is down slightly from the peak of a few years ago, while the total US population continues to grow. But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written testing for all available license classes. IOW, making the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in sustained growth. Looking further back, examine the growth from 1990 or 1991 to 2000. (1990 is when medical waivers made it possible to get any amateur license with a 5 wpm test, and 1991 is when the Technician lost its code test. Then compare the growth in that 9 year period to the growth in an equal period of time before 1990 or 1991. You'll find that the overall increase in the '80s was *greater* than in the '90s. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 17:22:40 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: "Steveo" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote: Hmmm, I could record a long QSO on cw and play it for the truckers... give 'em something to appreciate... grin So the hams didn't feel left, could record the truckers and play that for them... evil'er grin Warmest regards, John "Steveo" wrote in message ... Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: John Smith wrote: Dan: You will never find me using cw... Well, you don't need it on CB. It's been done, JJ. You can eat **** and die too for all I care, you top posting freak. Steveo: You name is almost as cute as a girls, you sound gay... there is nothing wrong with gay people yanno, but better if you stay with your own kind... grin Top posters bother gays yanno... Warmest regards, John Could be worse, after all your name could be Brett??? Now that would really suck.. |
K=D8HB wrote:
wrote But I would note that the shrinkage occurred *after* the April 2000 reductions in both Morse Code and written testing for all available license classes. IOW, making the licenses easier to get in 2000 did not result in sustained growth. Two questions: 1) Is this shrinkage due to... a. Less new applicants b. Increased attrition From what I can see at hamdata.com and AH0A.org, it seems to me that the number of new hams has been slowly increasing since at least 1997 (which is as far back as AH0A.org goes) but attrition has been rising even faster. How much of the attrition increase is due to "involuntary" causes (SKs, hams in nursing homes, etc.) vs. "voluntary" causes (loss of interest) is a matter of pure speculation. I don't have good data on that one way or the other. It does seem to me, however, that when a survey says 22% of recently-licensed new hams interviewed have *never* set up their own station and gotten on the air with it, something's amiss in the "interest" department. We sometimes see statistics about the "average age of US hams today is XX" and predictions of doom for the future as today's hams become SKs. What we don't see are statistics on how the "average age" was computed (mean? median? mode?) nor the age distribution (bell curve? exponential?). Nor do we see stats on what the "average age" was 10, 20, 30 years ago. Looking around at club meetings and hamfests isn't a good sample because a lot of us don't go to those things very often. 2) Are easier tests the cause of the shrinkage... a. Yes b. No No good way to tell. One thing is certain: The test reductions have not resulted in a flood of new hams compared to before the test reductions. One possible explanation is that the real problem is publicity and image, not license requirements. If people don't know what ham radio is, the license requirements have no effect on them. Another factor is that if the license requirements are made "too easy", what you may have are some folks who have a license but no station because it's "too difficult" for them to set one up. Then they forget about ham radio and go on to something else. --- One thing I remember clearly from my newcomer days as a 12-13 year old is that once I found out what amateur radio was, and how to get started, the license requirements were "not a problem". They were simply a challenge. If there had not been a Novice license, I simply would have gone for General right out of the box. A lot of the kids I knew then, and know now, are the same way when they are interested in something. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote: One possible explanation is that the real problem is publicity and image, not license requirements. If people don't know what ham radio is, the license requirements have no effect on them. Ham radio just isn't very appealing to the current generation. There are too many other things to compete, computers, the Internet, vidoe games. Kids had rather be skilled at playing the latest video game than have technical skills in some outdated (to them) mode of communication. They had much rather build a computer than a radio. Who needs a ham radio station to talk to someone in another state or even in another country, just whip out the cell phone. Almost every teenager now has one. That's true of most of the population - but most of that has been true for decades now. I was high school class of 1972. In a school of over 2400 boys, with a curriculum that emphasized math and science, we had no more than a half-dozen hams. Back then ham radio had "competition" (in no particular order) from sports, school activities, music, counterculture events, antiwar protests, CB, TV, radio, music, cars and girls. Also family chores, schoolwork and after-school jobs. We didn't have cell phones or the internet but we had the telephone and we could get around pretty well, with or without cars. In those days the #1 technical hobby for teenage boys was working on cars. For less than the price of most ham rigs, you could buy a $100 used car and fix it up well enough to get around. Some lucky rich kids got 10-year-old hand-me-down cars from the parental units, which they then worked on to keep on the road. Cars were simpler then, and a mechanically-minded kid knew all about how they worked long before driving age. So "competition" for kids' time is nothing new. The most-often-asked questions about ham radio, then and now, a "Who do you talk to?" "What do you talk about?" and "Why go to all that trouble to talk to strangers?" Most people back then "didn't get it". A few did. Same as today. IMHO the prime time to attract kids to ham radio is middle school or earlier. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... It is obvious there is a decline in interest in amateur radio, I think the reasons are many, since the gear is constructed for such a small "nitch" of users--the equip is expensive--this is only one more reason for the decline. I have never heard anyone complain the exams were too difficult (of course, I am mainly around college age kids who go for a license), it is always the code--they hate it--some can be pushed to complete the code to get the license--after, they simply never use the code again...most of these young fellows are interested in GHz freqs and above...and how a computer can be interfaced with the radio... Warmest regards, John If all they are interested in is the GHz frequencies and up, they never need to bother with code for the license. The codeless Technician license gives them full privileges, full power levels, and all modes for all frequencies above 30 MHz. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee:
You suggest that to them... they will take it as personal slur on their intelligence... if they don't have the top licence--they don't want any--it is akin to getting an "A" in the class--you would never get the under-achievers to even bother--they'll just fire up IRC or P2P phone and chat to Australia all night long... or, whip out the cell phone their company internship is furnishing... grin Warmest regards, John "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is obvious there is a decline in interest in amateur radio, I think the reasons are many, since the gear is constructed for such a small "nitch" of users--the equip is expensive--this is only one more reason for the decline. I have never heard anyone complain the exams were too difficult (of course, I am mainly around college age kids who go for a license), it is always the code--they hate it--some can be pushed to complete the code to get the license--after, they simply never use the code again...most of these young fellows are interested in GHz freqs and above...and how a computer can be interfaced with the radio... Warmest regards, John If all they are interested in is the GHz frequencies and up, they never need to bother with code for the license. The codeless Technician license gives them full privileges, full power levels, and all modes for all frequencies above 30 MHz. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee: You suggest that to them... they will take it as personal slur on their intelligence... if they don't have the top licence--they don't want any--it is akin to getting an "A" in the class--you would never get the under-achievers to even bother--they'll just fire up IRC or P2P phone and chat to Australia all night long... or, whip out the cell phone their company internship is furnishing... grin Warmest regards, John Hello, John Are you suggesting just giving away the license? Heck, I learned grade 1.5 Braille in under two weeks (and I can see). I decided I wanted to as a friend is blind and he provided me a Braille slate (that was many decades ago). It was not a big deal; in fact my friend then got on my case asking if I could learn Braille in two weeks, what was the big deal with the code. The reality was that I was lazy. One week later, I was copying 18 words per minute. A few years later, I put 40 words per minute, perfect copy, on paper. It is all a matter of what you want. As to the cell phone, heck - I can talk to someone anywhere anytime using a land-line telephone. Or my HT (yes, even Australia, thanks to the 10 meter repeater). Of course, amateur radio is not designed to replace the telephone. I just had some good information from someone via the Internet on fixing a big Hammond X-66 from the 60s. I've repaired a lot of 'em, but this one had me bugged. The guy is in Mexico. The telephone would be of no use as I had to locate someone who knew something about it. When folks start arguing against amateur radio, they usually bring up a subject that amateur radio is not ideally designed for. Heck, do you want to build a house using only a saw? Perhaps only a hammer? No, you choose the tools you need at the time you need them. In the case of getting help with the Hammond (gawd, I hated the thought of pouring paint thinner down into the scanner - but it worked!), how are you going to locate someone knowledgeable in the subject? Organ repair? No, the organ service guy in this area has referred a few folks with old Hammonds to me. I've always been able to fix 'em even if he can't. But this time I was stuck. Calling the organ repair guy would have yielded no help as I have more knowledge than he. I did call organ repair service in Chicago as that is all that is left of the original Hammond company (it was sold to Ford and then Suzuki) as the new owners didn't want to handle the old stuff. They didn't know, so the telephone was no longer of any use. Despite the failure of the telephone, I would not suggest that the telephone has no use. Amateur radio has far to many facets to try and pinpoint exactly what it is. As far as someone not wanting the code, fine. It will go away, but when is unknown. Had I waited for a codeless tech license, I would have delayed 30 some years waiting for a ticket that didn't require cw. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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