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Just for grins - CW
Hi gang!
Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? Chad |
Jim Hampton wrote: Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Here's some nuts & bolts details on the skit via the Elecraft & FRC reflectors: - - - - In case anyone is interested, here's something K6CTW posted on the Elecraft list last night. K3PH: - - - - Well to answer some of the questions I have received: 1. Ben was just getting ready to start entering the last 2 words when I was done. 2. None of us had any idea of the text we would be sending, not only for the "show" but also for the 3 rehersals (in which we smoked em every time) 3. Chip, K7JA was sending and I, Ken, K6CTW was receiving. 4. The radios were FT-817's provided by Chip's company Yaesu and HRO. Reason for that choice was that we needed the most frequency agile radios we could get. When I talked to the technical folks, they recommended we START at 2 meters and go up because of all of the lower frequency noise and RFI from the other TV equipment. When I got there, we took out a spectrum analyzer and studied all of the interference possibilities. I ended up choosing 432.200 MHz because that guaranteed no RFI from their equipment and we were high enough not to overload their front ends either. This was then verified and it was what we were using at the FT-817's lowest setting. 5. I already knew that 28-30 wpm would easily keep us in front of even the current world record holder, and also it is the fastest speed that I can make nice readable copy on paper with a "stick". 6. The telegrapher "costumes" were the producer's idea but it was fun for both Chip and I. 7. In rehersal I, K6CTW had a number of lines which would have really done a nice job of plugging ham radio and telegraphy however at our last dress rehersal, they decided to cut them out to make the segment "fit". (maybe next time). 8. I decided that I would be the receiver because I'm not bothered by crowd noise etc. If you enjoyed the segment, PLEASE email, write, etc. to let "The Tonight Show" know about it. That way we may have a chance for a bigger segment next time. Thanks for the kind comments from all and let's keep on having fun! (It is a hobby after all). 73, Ken, K6CTW - - - - - *A few more points for clarification: When my XYL, Connie, originally answered the call, at my home, from the producers of the show, she explained that I operated both codes and that I considered myself to be a good but not exceptional operator. However, she is the one who "sold" the producers that the skit could work. She also did a VERY credible job of explaining Morse telegraphy and the radio code and its uses. (You all might think to send her a thanks too as without her, this would never have happened cjcarroll2 at earthlink.net ) When they contacted me later that afternoon, I explained that my wife was correct, I am a competent CW and Morse operator. Your point is interesting in that they did try and get the fastest text messengers they could fly in. I did however explain that if the Tonight Show folks had been able to get the equivalent world record holder in CW to do this, it would have been at lmost TRIPLE the speed we were going at. The reason, as I have explained before, that we worked at about 28 or so wpm is that this is the fastest speed that I can make nice readable copy with a pencil as they did not have the ability to let me use a typewriter for copy (and I thought they were going to do a camera shot of my copy for verification). Also, since we did not have the time to set up headphones, I just added some extra volume for me, had the stage folks cut my mike (to prevent feedback and overload) and copied off of the speaker. To re-emphasize the point, I'm just an average CW op who ccasionally operates the CW SS QRP, whith my K2 of course, and really enjoys CW, and traffic handling. By the way, the radios used were Chip's not from Yaesu and the backup radios were from HRO. 73, Ken, K6CTW * - - - - w3rv |
"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? They were legit on 440 mhz, Chad. Low power, short range. Maybe callsigns were transmitted right after the stunt? |
Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
"Jim Hampton" wrote:
Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Hello Jim. Is CW considered a binary of sorts? Are you enjoying your new internet pipe? |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Hello Jim. Is CW considered a binary of sorts? Are you enjoying your new internet pipe? Hello, Mopar Some call it binary, but the fact that there are both short and long characters as well as short and long spaces (spacing between characters is shorter than spacing between words) leads me to not consider it "binary". When I wrote a Morse code decoder, I was using a base 3 system to decode it. At least if I recall correctly. I still have the source code but haven't looked at it for about a decade. I am *loving* this new pipe! I booted the computer, the wave file played as Windows started up, I hadn't clicked on Explorer, I bent over to pick up a magazine, and when I looked at the computer, the anti-virus had already downloaded and installed the update! :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? They were legit on 440 mhz, Chad. Low power, short range. Maybe callsigns were transmitted right after the stunt? Nice coax run, nad. How stupid will you look when you have to explain to Leland that you're too dumb to know who you are talking to in rec.radio.cb???? |
On Wed, 18 May 2005 03:26:26 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
wrote: Hello, Mopar Some call it binary, but the fact that there are both short and long characters as well as short and long spaces (spacing between characters is shorter than spacing between words) leads me to not consider it "binary". When I wrote a Morse code decoder, I was using a base 3 system to decode it. At least if I recall correctly. I still have the source code but haven't looked at it for about a decade. I am *loving* this new pipe! I booted the computer, the wave file played as Windows started up, I hadn't clicked on Explorer, I bent over to pick up a magazine, and when I looked at the computer, the anti-virus had already downloaded and installed the update! :)) Broadband is very nice. Once you get a taste of it, you'll never go back. Combined with wireless access points, I can move all over the house and access the internet with my laptop. I can access streaming audio to pipe to my computer and stereo in my garage, when I'm outside working. Internet video content can be viewed on the TV. I can even monitor the environmental controls in the house from remote locations. Technology is great. The future is now. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
From: on May 17, 12:20 pm
Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-) When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie? At what time? How long before the NBC TV network feed? You've been there, right? Waiting in line along Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have "insider information" again? :-) FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations! [they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-) ======= The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge, more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads and ignorant people. A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships] Cell phones were never designed or implemented with text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text messaging was possible and that was incorporated into subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication" that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear. That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-) "Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago. [most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the entertainment media and most have never experienced first-hand any live communications with that...they know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications] It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of "TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the audience amused by poking fun at current fads. Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about "morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was NEVER intended as a true contest. For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual communications means, pit an experienced typist pair using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper or manual typewriters to record received "morse code." Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show the errors made by the morsemen. Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No. There's no real Entertainment value except for a very small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus 160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to win out eventually since their throughput is sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse code" means. The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in actual practice and found "morse code" to be the LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on "morse code" for communications. The die-hard fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code" as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in the fantasy and mythology of olden times. That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. |
wrote in message ups.com... From: on May 17, 12:20 pm Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-) When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie? At what time? How long before the NBC TV network feed? You've been there, right? Waiting in line along Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have "insider information" again? :-) FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations! [they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-) ======= The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge, more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads and ignorant people. A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships] Cell phones were never designed or implemented with text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text messaging was possible and that was incorporated into subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication" that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear. That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-) "Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago. [most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the entertainment media and most have never experienced first-hand any live communications with that...they know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications] It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of "TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the audience amused by poking fun at current fads. Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about "morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was NEVER intended as a true contest. For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual communications means, pit an experienced typist pair using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper or manual typewriters to record received "morse code." Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show the errors made by the morsemen. Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No. There's no real Entertainment value except for a very small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus 160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to win out eventually since their throughput is sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse code" means. The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in actual practice and found "morse code" to be the LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on "morse code" for communications. The die-hard fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code" as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in the fantasy and mythology of olden times. That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. Blah Blah THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology |
"Jim Hampton" wrote:
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Hello Jim. Is CW considered a binary of sorts? Are you enjoying your new internet pipe? Hello, Mopar Some call it binary, but the fact that there are both short and long characters as well as short and long spaces (spacing between characters is shorter than spacing between words) leads me to not consider it "binary". When I wrote a Morse code decoder, I was using a base 3 system to decode it. At least if I recall correctly. I still have the source code but haven't looked at it for about a decade. Too much info you CW machine you! :) I've heard it wasn't intended as a binary but it's not totally unlike one. I am *loving* this new pipe! I booted the computer, the wave file played as Windows started up, I hadn't clicked on Explorer, I bent over to pick up a magazine, and when I looked at the computer, the anti-virus had already downloaded and installed the update! :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in my old age. Rock-on. |
"Caveat Lector" wrote in message
news:eUOie.35$rp.33@fed1read07... wrote in message ups.com... From: on May 17, 12:20 pm Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-) When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie? At what time? How long before the NBC TV network feed? You've been there, right? Waiting in line along Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have "insider information" again? :-) FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations! [they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-) ======= The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge, more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads and ignorant people. A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships] Cell phones were never designed or implemented with text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text messaging was possible and that was incorporated into subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication" that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear. That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-) "Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago. [most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the entertainment media and most have never experienced first-hand any live communications with that...they know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications] It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of "TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the audience amused by poking fun at current fads. Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about "morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was NEVER intended as a true contest. For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual communications means, pit an experienced typist pair using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper or manual typewriters to record received "morse code." Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show the errors made by the morsemen. Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No. There's no real Entertainment value except for a very small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus 160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to win out eventually since their throughput is sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse code" means. The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in actual practice and found "morse code" to be the LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on "morse code" for communications. The die-hard fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code" as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in the fantasy and mythology of olden times. That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. Blah Blah THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology Just bagged SV8/DF7XE/P on 20! Won't find Macedonia popping in on your cell phone very often, not to mention the associated thrill of the catch. -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384/CC #1736 QRP ARCI #11782 |
"Bert Craig" wrote in message ... "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:eUOie.35$rp.33@fed1read07... wrote in message ups.com... From: on May 17, 12:20 pm Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! [big snip] That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. Blah Blah THE CELLPHONERS LOST TO 160 Year Old Technology Just bagged SV8/DF7XE/P on 20! Won't find Macedonia popping in on your cell phone very often, not to mention the associated thrill of the catch. -- Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI FISTS #9384/CC #1736 QRP ARCI #11782 Yeah know what you mean Bert. Last month I got Oman on 20m CW. How sweet it is! Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote:
I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in my old age. Rock-on. Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is today. Dave "Sandbagger" |
Dave Hall wrote:
On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote: I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in my old age. Rock-on. Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is today. Dave "Sandbagger" Yea it will probably be part of my wrist watch, and a keyboard will be a thing of the past.. |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... Dave Hall wrote: On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote: I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in my old age. Rock-on. Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is today. Dave "Sandbagger" Yea it will probably be part of my wrist watch, and a keyboard will be a thing of the past.. I always wanted a real Dick Tracy 2 way wrist tv. It is close ... :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Poor Len, just can't keep on subject.
Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ups.com... From: on May 17, 12:20 pm Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-) When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie? At what time? How long before the NBC TV network feed? You've been there, right? Waiting in line along Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have "insider information" again? :-) FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations! [they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-) ======= The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge, more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads and ignorant people. A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships] Cell phones were never designed or implemented with text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text messaging was possible and that was incorporated into subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication" that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear. That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-) "Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago. [most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the entertainment media and most have never experienced first-hand any live communications with that...they know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications] It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of "TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the audience amused by poking fun at current fads. Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about "morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was NEVER intended as a true contest. For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual communications means, pit an experienced typist pair using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper or manual typewriters to record received "morse code." Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show the errors made by the morsemen. Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No. There's no real Entertainment value except for a very small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus 160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to win out eventually since their throughput is sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse code" means. The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in actual practice and found "morse code" to be the LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on "morse code" for communications. The die-hard fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code" as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in the fantasy and mythology of olden times. That's not SHOW-BIZ, Jimmie, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. |
From: "Dan/W4NTI" on Thurs,May 19 2005 11:10 pm
Poor Len, just can't keep on subject. Dannyboy, I was ON the subject. :-) Sigh...I'll have to repeat what I said... wrote in message oups.com... From: on May 17, 12:20 pm Chad Wahls wrote: "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! When he read what was on the paper it did not include a callsign, where these legit ham radios? Did another fast code reader get a call sign in there? What you see on TV is taped and edited. They cut out things like the ID. Good old Jimmie Noserve jumping in as the "expert" on TV broadcast production (years of work in that...). :-) When is the actual NBC "Tonight Show" taped, Jimmie? At what time? How long before the NBC TV network feed? You've been there, right? Waiting in line along Alameda with the other tourists? Or do you have "insider information" again? :-) FCC requires that you ID at the *end* of a QSO, and every 10 minutes if the QSO goes on longer than 10 minutes. The clip is only 3 minutes long. Oh, my, yes, I'm sure the producers were most extremely careful to NEVER break any amateur radio regulations! [they might ALL lose their JOBS over such a gaffe!] :-) ======= The "Tonight Show" is ENTERTAINMENT. It isn't a journalism show. It isn't a documentary show. With the new production company featuring Jay Leno, the tone of the "Tonight Show" has taken on a sharper edge, more biting, as compared to De Cordova's company with the late, great Johnny Carson. Leno likes to twit fads and ignorant people. A current fad is "TXT-ing," that of sending short text messages over cell phones having that feature. It's a big thing among teeners all over the country now. [the USA has over 100 million cell phone subscriberships] Cell phones were never designed or implemented with text messaging in mind. They were done to extend the wired VOICE telephone. However, as the original analog cell phone converted to digital, a limited form of text messaging was possible and that was incorporated into subscribers' sets. Teeners picked up on that as a form of "very personal, like 'private talk' communication" that grown-ups and others couldn't immediately overhear. That 'privacy' thing is a big hit with teeners. ;-) "Morse code" is the first BIG instant-communications means and debuted 160 years ago. The On-Off signalling of "morse code" was the ONLY PRACTICAL means of using radio for communications, demonstrated 109 years ago. [most people are AWARE of "morse code" through the entertainment media and most have never experienced first-hand any live communications with that...they know it is OLD and obsolete for practical communications] It is a no-brainer that old, obsolete "morse code" is faster than the new fad of "TXT-ing" messages via a cell phone. The "demonstration contest" on the Leno show was a SETUP to deliberately POKE FUN at the fad of "TXT-ing." It wasn't anything else...just one more item of "humor" a la the Leno company to get the audience amused by poking fun at current fads. Ham radio morsemen Lifestylers want to wave flags about "morse code" and how triumphant was their "success" in that show-biz SETUP that was a guaranteed pratfall by the "TXT-ers." That short Entertainment bit was NEVER intended as a true contest. For a REAL contest, live, [rehearsed or not] manual communications means, pit an experienced typist pair using old, surplus 60 WPM teleprinters against a pair of experienced morsemen using either pencil-and-paper or manual typewriters to record received "morse code." Use "over-the-shoulder" live TV camera angles to show the "incoming" text for the audience...and to show the errors made by the morsemen. Will TV Entertainment shows ever consider such? No. There's no real Entertainment value except for a very small niche-interest fraction of an audience. This is less of a show-biz SETUP than modern "TXT-ing" versus 160-year-old manual "morse code." Audiences won't have anything to LAUGH at. Teleprinters are going to win out eventually since their throughput is sustainable and less error-prone than manual "morse code" means. The radio world has LONG AGO done the "contest" bit in actual practice and found "morse code" to be the LOSER. The rest of the radio world has GIVEN UP on "morse code" for communications. The die-hard fanatics in amateur radio still cling to "morse code" as "good" or even "best" because they are still lost in the fantasy and mythology of olden times. That's not SHOW-BIZ, Dannyboy, that's REALITY. Show's over. Get a grip. Go home. |
On Thu, 19 May 2005 16:40:54 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
wrote: "Steveo" wrote in message ... Dave Hall wrote: On 18 May 2005 22:03:32 GMT, Steveo wrote: I can't imagine ever going back to dial-up unless I end up broke in my old age. Rock-on. Don't worry Steveo, by the time you are in your "old age" a broadband video/voice/data line will be as common as standard phone service is today. Dave "Sandbagger" Yea it will probably be part of my wrist watch, and a keyboard will be a thing of the past.. I always wanted a real Dick Tracy 2 way wrist tv. It is close ... :) Its closer than you think. Once we create a WIFI-like wireless data network to blanket most areas, this will become a reality. Cellular can already do this to some extent, but the cellular network cannot handle the increased bandwidth required for full motion video. Dave "Sandbagger" |
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"K4YZ" wrote I guess the fact that the Morse guys did it faster and with 100% accuracy doesn't account for anything, eh? Doesn't account for much! It's kind of like a speed contest between a turtle and a snail --- mildly interesting, but inconsequential when comparing them to the speed of a cheetah. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "K4YZ" wrote I guess the fact that the Morse guys did it faster and with 100% accuracy doesn't account for anything, eh? Doesn't account for much! It's kind of like a speed contest between a turtle and a snail --- mildly interesting, but inconsequential when comparing them to the speed of a cheetah. de Hans, K0HB Hans has it nailed pretty much. The value of the Leno Sjow contest was the publicity for ham radio. Beyond that, it was just a mildly interesting win for the hams. Other than that, what else does the morse vs text messaging contest win "account for"? Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
Bill Sohl wrote: The value of the Leno Sjow contest was the publicity for ham radio. Beyond that, it was just a mildly interesting win for the hams. Other than that, what else does the morse vs text messaging contest win "account for"? Actually, Bill, I think the main focus of the Leno show contest and its Australian predecessor wasn't ham radio at all. There's a certain mindset that automatically connects "newer" with "faster/better/easier". There's even a word for it: "neophilia", meaning unreasonable love of new things. The Leno clip shows that mindset in action in the way the woman being interviewed by Jay Leno immediately assumes text messaging will be faster than Morse Code. You also see it in the way the audience agrees. Text messaging is more than 150 years newer than Morse code - it must be faster, right? Of course Jay knows the outcome is almost certain to be very different - that's the whole point of the segment. And when the Morse Code team wins the contest, the point is clear: Newer isn't always better, and old isn't always bad or useless. -- There was a segment on the NPR radio quiz show "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me" on May 14, in which a caller was asked to identify the one true story out of three. One story was about the Australian text-vs.-Morse contest, and the other two were made-up along the lines of a new product having some surprising characteristics, like tomatoes that were flammable. (The caller got it right). 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Bill Sohl wrote: "K=D8HB" wrote in message nk.net... "K4YZ" wrote I guess the fact that the Morse guys did it faster and with 100% accuracy doesn't account for anything, eh? Doesn't account for much! It's kind of like a speed contest between a turtle and a snail --- mildly interesting, but inconsequential when comparing them to the speed of a cheetah. de Hans, K0HB Hans has it nailed pretty much. The value of the Leno Sjow contest was the publicity for ham radio. Beyond that, it was just a mildly interesting win for the hams. Other than that, what else does the morse vs text messaging contest win "account for"? Cheers, Bill K2UNK Bill, are you and Hans trying to tell me that scores and scores of youthful white males aren't going to go out and nail the 5aka13-15WPM Farnsworth exam at the next Hamfest??? I'm inclined to agree. What were they thinking??? |
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It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so
others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
John Smith wrote: It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John If it can't be the ham radio that they knew in their youth, they do want it destroyed, gone, dead. Several have made such claims. |
The number of hams--worldwide, is fewer in number than the number of illegal
aliens in California... they have already done it--their alzheimers may just be too advanced for them to realize it... Warmest regards, John "bb" wrote in message ups.com... John Smith wrote: It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John If it can't be the ham radio that they knew in their youth, they do want it destroyed, gone, dead. Several have made such claims. |
Nice try, John
In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "K4YZ" wrote I guess the fact that the Morse guys did it faster and with 100% accuracy doesn't account for anything, eh? Doesn't account for much! It's kind of like a speed contest between a turtle and a snail --- mildly interesting, but inconsequential when comparing them to the speed of a cheetah. dit dit de Hans, K0HB Hello, Hans Very true. One interesting thing of note - text messaging I'd consider similar to cw in one thing - it may be fun, but not highly useful. If one needs to send a lot of text, a computer and the Internet just might be considerably faster (assuming one can touch type at a reasonable rate). Via radio, there are digital modes, of course, and text can be reliably sent much faster with many of the digital modes (even the very dated RTTY). I have to chuckle at the length of this thread; I thought it an interesting link and figured there would be a couple of cw detractors that would answer, but the thread turned out a bit longer than I figured. I keep forgetting how heated the cw vs no cw arguement can get. I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
Jim Hampton wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M, but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football field of a local High School. Anyhow, Happy Birthday! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio
dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... .... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- .... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... .... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hampton" Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.cb Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:30 PM Subject: Just for grins - CW Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! OMG, she couldn't count backwards? This is what the future has to look forward too. I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. No test for people in life, you & I both know that :) What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: LOL!!!, the 60's 70 are over big guy ;) 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Oh Yeah................ Go to hear from You Jim. Landshark -- Some of them are living an illusion Bounded by the darkness of their minds, In their eyes it's nation against nation, With racial pride, sad hearts they hide, Thinking only of themselves, They shun the light, They think they're right Living in the empty shells. |
"Jim Hampton" wrote:
I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g |
I have a "use for CW". I use it to communicate with others using the same
mode. I use it to participate in Amateur Radio. If you or your ilk don't care to do so. Stay the hell off my frequency. Have a good day idiot. Dan/W4NTI "John Smith" wrote in message ... You ask me "what is wrong with cw?" I ask you, "Why is amateur radio dying?"--I think the answer to both is a single one--there was a time when dropping code would have saved ham radio--I fear that time has come and gone... cw has no real use to anyone, anymore... it is like having to learn to type to use the internet... no such requirement... however, because typing DOES have a use--you will find many learning to type after they realize the need... ... the "anateur exams" are certainly no hinderence, they always have been as simple as pie--a college grad trained in the art of "test taking" could study for a day and pass the most challenging... they have been made even simplier still... yet amateur radio declined and continues to do so-- ... now "critical mass" has been reached, so many other forms of communication exist that amateur radio is on its' death march... radios are so far and few between... and so little demand... they are too expensive with most to bother with... you could give ham licences away in the streets and not improve that... ... no, the OMs' alzheimers and lack of ability to see the future has killed ham radio--you'd think the old guys must have hated it--to have stood by and watched it die--if what you say is correct--and they DID have all their mental facilities about them and still allowed it... Warmest regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Nice try, John In the original post I stated "just for grins". As far as Alzheimer's disease, I know the change I am due before the kid punches the cash tendered into the register. I had to chuckle one day when the gal punched in as though I had made exact change and had to figure out what my change was. She had to call a manager! I am familiar with how great the Internet is and surf a bit plus am active in several Yahoo groups. Do you remember 911? I lost my AT&T service for a week as they had some central switching station in there. I had to use my Juno account as a backup. The radios, however, work - even without mains. Come to think of it, some of the repeaters work without mains. There are two of them around here that aren't even connected to the mains! I have no axe to grind. Oh, it bothers me when a couple of high power stations are talking across town on 20 meters, however there is no sanity test for an amateur license. Come to think of it, the same applies to high power CBs. It causes interference thousands of miles away. What I cannot understand is why so many folks get their panties in a knot over CW. If you enjoy it, use it; if not, don't. No big deal there. As far as the folks who love to condemn those who enjoy Morse, I suspect that many of them are also lacking in theory and really want a no test ticket. Perhaps we could also do away with a test for a driver's license as well .... Granted, folks will point out there is a big difference. There is, but the underlying problem is trying to make the airwaves available for *everyone*. This includes cell-phones (think duplex walk-talkie connected to a repeater which is connected to the telephone company), radio, television, aircraft guidance systems, satellite tv, satellite radio, gps, and so much more. Originally, there were no driver's licenses, but as more automobiles came about, there was a need for regulation. Should we get rid of traffic lights? How about the flashing red lights on school busses? Think there might be a need for regulation? The same applies to radio. Originally, there were no regulations for radio. If you have 100 stations in the world, total, there is really no need for regulation. As technology progressed, there were more demands made for radio spectrum (I say radio, but mean everything using the electro-magnetic spectrum from perhaps 3 kHz to 300 gHz). Regulations came into being and have been revisited and changed many times since. At least we can discuss this problem with regulating the airwaves; I have another problem that I am going to have to "discuss" a different way. Our new chief of police is claiming he is going to start cracking down on the loud stereos. One guy wrote an editorial stating "you just don't like my music". Well, I finally got one guy fined and he is staying quiet. It is disconcerting, to say the least, when someone has their boom box turned up 10 dB above distort at midnight and I have to get up in the morning. Some of us actually have jobs. I have some "tunes" that I will share should this start again. I'm not going to bother burning a cd as I've got the mp3 cuts on the computer. Just plug an audio line from the headphone jack on the computer speakers to the 700 stereo system I have for satellite tv. I hope they enjoy my tunes: 1) Washington Post March 2) Anchors aweigh 3) The Thunderer 4) The Stars and Stripes Forever (my favorite) I've got others on CDs. From all of the services. Funny, but I have a feeling that they will be clamoring for "regulation" all of a sudden :)) With all due regards from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA "John Smith" wrote in message ... It is a shame that hams are riding a sinking ship to the bottom... just so others can't ride... weird really... those old guys really have a axe to grind with someone... but, maybe it is as they claim--their minds are gone to alzheimers and they simply await for the need for morse to return... however, long before then--amateur radio will be dead... Regards, John "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... Hi gang! Just for some grins, check this out: http://www.lildobe.net/video/ It will take a bit of time for the folks on dial-up, but it is worth remembering that those two guys were not setting any speed records. It sounded about like the commercial CW circuits on the marine bands I listened to about 37 years ago .... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
"KØHB" wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Ah yes, a vertical 'beverage' antenna! Our FD group had one for 20M, but we had to quit using it when our FD QTH changed to the football field of a local High School. Anyhow, Happy Birthday! 73, de Hans, K0HB Happy B-day guy. Our club group built a 3 element 160 meter yagi out of steel beer cans for a Field Day one year. Dan/W4NTI |
"Steveo" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote: I'd have responded earlier, but yesterday was my birthday and .... well, I probably consumed enough beer to build a 160 meter half wave beer can vertical :) Fortunately, the better half didn't get upset ;) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Happy belated B-day, Jim. Many more returns! 160 meter half wave, is that anything like enough beer to float a battleship? g Only if it tied to a blivit. Dan/W4NTI |
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