On Wed, 25 May 2005 20:43:04 +0000, james wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:56:48 -0400, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

This sounds just like the crusades all over again. If you haven't seen the
new movie "Kingdom of Heaven" I suggest that you do. It will remind you of
what is happening in the middle east now, even if it wasn't the intent of
the movie.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

*******

Fantastic movie. The best that I have seen in several years.

The messages were subtile but there. If one recognizes, then the movie
has great meaning.

Glad you enjoyed it too. If you read between the lines you'll see how the
events back then, and the movie, are a reflection of what is happening now
in the middle east. They say those who don't know history are doomed to
repeat it. I though the on-screen comment at the end of the movie was like
the explanation point at the end of a sentence.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

George:

So then, Bush is our enemy--it is our fault radical muslims wish to destroy
American property--and kill Americans.

You want to tie our militaries hands over the fact that they didn't have
these weapons--which we got there first and stopped them from getting them.
Your suggestion it that we should have waited until they had them--then
instead of smashing our own planes into those buildings they could have been
much more successful with those weapons (chemical, biological, nuclear.)
And then, we would have a right to stop them...

You argument that Iraq and Sadam were not Bin Laden is shallow--they have
the oil money which financed him, they hold the same radical ideas--this is
enough for them to die... I am not pleased with Saudi Arabia...

I am one would support our LARGEST nuclear bomb dropped square in the middle
of Iran--if they even threaten to be a threat to us... and if it would only
save one innocent American life...

Warmest regards,
John

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
From: (John Smith)
Let's get real, there are two of our VERY

LARGE, VERY expensive buildings missing in
New York.

In part because of the Bush admins failures. The failures listed below
all came after 911 and are independent of the acts against the US.

Thousands of Americans died in those

buildings.

See above.

There was a large hole in our pentagon, site

.of our most holy protection for this land.


Holy? Duuuuude,,,,

One plane was headed towards the

Whitehouse, another of our most holy political

sites--




"Holy political"?

before it was downed. There are a few

airplanes of ours which were destroyed in

these attacts--and American lives lost on each
and everyone of these aircraft.

Anyone who does not want to go after those

who did THAT, with every resource at our

disposal, is either a coward, terrorist

themselves, or an idiot.


And only an idiot would believe BL is in Iraq, or that Iraq had anything
to do with what you described above.
But what you did here is what Bush often does, he uses the term "Iraq"
when speaking of 911 and BL, but I will admit, he has stopped doing this
since the 911 Report. Now if only his legions of sheople can manage to
emulate him in this regard.....

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

Any rational person would choose a

fourth--they die!


Fortunately, we were never in such a position.

We simply don't have a choice in this matter...

What matter is that? Going after BL and those responsible for 911, or
the war in Iraq? Even Bush no longer tries to employ such long ago
defeated rhetoric.

Warmest regards,

John



From the Times wires:
Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration asserted that Iraq
possessed chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear
weapons. Officials also allege Iraq was working on prohibited long-range
missiles and drones that could disperse biological agents. The
presidential intelligene commison examined each of the US intelligence
community's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and
reached these conclusions:


Nuclear Weapons: Wrong
Analysts wrongly interpreted the purpose of some metal tubes Iraq tried
to import, arguing they were for centrifuges to enrich uranium when they
were for conventional artillery rockets. Other imports of materials with
more than one potential use were also similarily misinterpreted.



Biological Weapons: Wrong
Agencies trusted several Iraqi defectors who were lying, ignoring
inconsistencies in their statements and other warning signs that these
defectors were providing false information.



Chemical Weapons: WRONG
The intelligence committe drew its conclusions from satellite photos of
trucks and buildings and other sources that were suspicious but
ultimately ambiguous, and trusted human sources who made claims that
Hussein had accomplished things that are technically impossiible.



WMD-Armed Drones: Wrong
Analysts concluded the drones were for WMD based on limited information;
Iraq;s drones turned out to be for reconnaissance.


Hussein's Intentions: Wrong
Intelligence agencies did not seriously consider Hussein could have
given up his WMD ambitions and destroyed his stockpiles. Although
several intel sources asserted before the war that Iraq did not have any
WMD, US analysts have regarded this as disinformation.
End of Times wire report.
--

From: (John=A0Smith)
James:
If you haven't noticed, we ARE right in the

middle of the right place to find enemies...



We can find "enemies" all over the globe. Iraq was no threat to the US
and they were not connected to 911.


if you don't think there are tightly knit groups

of radicals right in Iraq and most of the other

surrounding countries, think again...


And if you think Iraq had anything to do with 911, think again.

better to

fight them there than here...


When do we invade N Korea? Iran? Singapore? Malaysia? China?


at least the gauntlet has been thrown down

on foreign soil and the battles and war can

take place there...


Bush tossed the gauntlet in the wrong country..meanwhile, the real
culprits responsile for 911, like BL, are laughing their collective
asses off at American's like you who believe the chicanery of Bush and
think 911 had anything to do with Iraq.

life goes on as usual here, children attend

school, retired people vacation and there are

NO suicide bombings or terrorist

attacks--there is enough there to busy their

hands... let the war stay there...


Right....warmongerers like you are all for it as long as it doesn't
affect you or your family.

Warmest regards,

John

People like you like to employ the ostrich syndrome and hope others
follow suit. You can deny deny deny, but just because you weren't aware
of any attacks on US soil after 911 doesn't mean they did not occur.
Bush not failed to prevent these attacks with the raping of our civil
liberties, he can't even find the culprits. Hell, he swore up and down
on national telivision that BL was his number one priority and he would
not rest until he was captured...well, somewhere along the line Bush
decided (all by himself) that BL was no longer the priority. In fact, we
know BL was responsible for 911, but for some really odd reason, he is
no longer THE priority, Bush lied...again, and only to get what he
really wanted..Hussein,,,and that was for trying to kill his daddy. Now
that Powell's words are coming true to Bush (you will OWN Iraq and their
people, and all their problems for years to come), Bush is like a fish
out of water....and its people like you that are gasping for air.

Yes, I very much think groups in Iraq and Saudi Arabia financed
terrorism--in the case of the Saudis'--still do--and it "overlooked" by
those in control there... if and when we find them as long as someone
assures they end up dead I will be quite happy...
If they simply wish to retain different views and are peaceful--leave 'em
alone...

Warmest regards,
John
"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
From: (John Smith)
James:
If you haven't noticed, we ARE right in the

middle of the right place to find enemies...



We can find "enemies" all over the globe. Iraq was no threat to the US
and they were not connected to 911.


if you don't think there are tightly knit groups

of radicals right in Iraq and most of the other

surrounding countries, think again...


And if you think Iraq had anything to do with 911, think again.

better to

fight them there than here...


When do we invade N Korea? Iran? Singapore? Malaysia? China?


at least the gauntlet has been thrown down

on foreign soil and the battles and war can

take place there...


Bush tossed the gauntlet in the wrong country..meanwhile, the real
culprits responsile for 911, like BL, are laughing their collective
asses off at American's like you who believe the chicanery of Bush and
think 911 had anything to do with Iraq.

life goes on as usual here, children attend

school, retired people vacation and there are

NO suicide bombings or terrorist

attacks--there is enough there to busy their

hands... let the war stay there...


Right....warmongerers like you are all for it as long as it doesn't
affect you or your family.

Warmest regards,

John

People like you like to employ the ostrich syndrome and hope others
follow suit. You can deny deny deny, but just because you weren't aware
of any attacks on US soil after 911 doesn't mean they did not occur.
Bush not failed to prevent these attacks with the raping of our civil
liberties, he can't even find the culprits. Hell, he swore up and down
on national telivision that BL was his number one priority and he would
not rest until he was captured...well, somewhere along the line Bush
decided (all by himself) that BL was no longer the priority. In fact, we
know BL was responsible for 911, but for some really odd reason, he is
no longer THE priority, Bush lied...again, and only to get what he
really wanted..Hussein,,,and that was for trying to kill his daddy. Now
that Powell's words are coming true to Bush (you will OWN Iraq and their
people, and all their problems for years to come), Bush is like a fish
out of water....and its people like you that are gasping for air.

From: (John=A0Smith)
George:

So then, Bush is our enemy--it is our fault

radical muslims wish to destroy American

property--and kill Americans.

Why take the blame for something Bush did? Muslims hate us worldwide
because of Bush.

You want to tie our militaries hands over the

fact that they didn't have these

weapons--



You are hallucinating. Our military is for protection from hostile
countries who invade or attack our country or interests. Listen
closely,,,,,Iraq did neither and it was already proven by the 911 report
that Bush was wrong concerning Hussein's intentions and developmental
program...the weapons Bush called WMDS were conventional, not wmds.


which we got there first and stopped them

from getting them.


You are the first person to ever claim such bull****. It was claimed by
your president that he -had- them. Now you are claiming he was
developing them when it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, he
wasn't. Read the 911 report.


Your suggestion it that we should have waited

until they had them--


???You are hallucinating again. There was no such "suggestion", but go
ahead and destroy yourself with such self-created claims of others. One
more and you go to the dust bin where Mopar already tossed you. Control
yourself or be vanquished.

then instead of smashing our own planes into

.those buildings they could have been much

more successful with those weapons

(chemical, biological, nuclear.) And then, we

would have a right to stop them...

You argument that Iraq and Sadam were not

Bin Laden is shallow--

And a fact.

they have the oil money which financed him,


Iraq was not connected in any manner to 911.
In fact, Hussein is Sunni, a different faith than BL and they can't
stand each other. Suggesting they colluded is tantamount to more
hallucinations, as you nowhere does anything exist connecting the two.
In fact, the 911 report claims the opposite, the opposite of all the
bull**** you try to ply. Why is it so difficult for people like you to
believe your leaders when they admit their mistakes?

they hold the same radical ideas--


LMAO,,,,you have no clue what the difference between their religious
positions entail.
Again, Hussein is Sunni.

this is enough for them to die... I am not

pleased with Saudi Arabia...


The country Bush coddles,,,

I am one would support our LARGEST nuclear
bomb dropped square in the middle of Iran--if

they even threaten to be a threat to us...



Why not? Iraq was certainly no threat, but you claim based only on the
Bush word concerning their intentions (which, was proven by the 911
report that Bush was wrong in trying to guess what they were) was good
enough for war.


and if it would only save one innocent

American life...



Like you care about any lives in the war. YOu alrady said you are all
for the war, but you curiously added a disclaimer akin to as long as the
war is over there, you are for it. Here's a radical thought,,,save all
the American lives in Iraq instead of just one, and bring the boys in
Iraq home.

Warmest regards,

John


Backatacha,,,,but denying attacks post 911 on American soil is the
beginning of your disappearance in this group. You've just never managed
to stay in the loop,,,on anything.

ass.wizard wrote:

So then, Bush is our enemy-
=A0
=A0
When a president is sworn in, he swears to uphold and protect the
Constitution. As soon as he was sworn in, he launched an attack on parts
of it. Nowhere in the oath does it say "And swear to uphold the
Constitution EXCEPT in matters of.....(insert republican lunacy here)".
Yes, Bush is the enemy of the people of the United States. Yesterday's
poll showed 61% of the American people now believe Bush does NOT have
the best interests of the country at heart..but I find solace in those
stats. People need a wakeup a call in addition to the government they
deserve.

Well, I agree, we need a militia to protect ourselves from such as bush and
kerry--do you think the power and money is going to allow anyone into office
who is for the common citizen--hell no, graft, corruption and bribes rule
this gov't--I think that is quite obvious... they play us for fools--this is
not a "two party" system--that is all a farce, little has changed from when
clinton signed NAFTA and sold missle secrets to the chinese for bribes...

We are in deep chit here!

John
"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
ass.wizard wrote:

So then, Bush is our enemy-


When a president is sworn in, he swears to uphold and protect the
Constitution. As soon as he was sworn in, he launched an attack on parts
of it. Nowhere in the oath does it say "And swear to uphold the
Constitution EXCEPT in matters of.....(insert republican lunacy here)".
Yes, Bush is the enemy of the people of the United States. Yesterday's
poll showed 61% of the American people now believe Bush does NOT have
the best interests of the country at heart..but I find solace in those
stats. People need a wakeup a call in addition to the government they
deserve.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

.of our most holy protection for this land.


Holy? Duuuuude,,,,
*****

My sentiments also. I never felt that building s were "Holy"

james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:


"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
How many links do you need, Dave?

Here are a few more, just to keep you entertained.


Holy ****, he still didn't post links.



From the Times wires:

Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration asserted that Iraq
possessed chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear
weapons. Officials also allege Iraq was working on prohibited long-range
missiles and drones that could disperse biological agents. The
presidential intelligene commison examined each of the US intelligence
community's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and
reached these conclusions:


Nuclear Weapons: Wrong
Analysts wrongly interpreted the purpose of some metal tubes Iraq tried
to import, arguing they were for centrifuges to enrich uranium when they
were for conventional artillery rockets. Other imports of materials with
more than one potential use were also similarily misinterpreted.


Biological Weapons: Wrong
Agencies trusted several Iraqi defectors who were lying, ignoring
inconsistencies in their statements and other warning signs that these
defectors were providing false information.


Chemical Weapons: WRONG
The intelligence committe drew its conclusions
from satellite photos of trucks and buildings and other sources that
were suspicious but ultimately ambiguous, and trusted human sources who
made claims that Hussein had accomplished things that are technically
impossiible.


WMD-Armed Drones: Wrong
Analysts concluded the drones were for WMD based on limited information;
Iraq;s drones turned out to be for reconnaissance.


Hussein's Intentions: Wrong
Intelligence agencies did not seriously consider Hussein could have
given up his WMD ambitions and destroyed his stockpiles. Although
several intel sources asserted before the war that Iraq did not have any
WMD, US analysts have regarded this as disinformation.


End of Times wire report.
--
Want more, Dave? The list is endless but these should have you spinning
your wheels a bit more than usual since your first knee-jerk reaction
was to deny any Bush failures, then
beg for examples.




Vinnie S.

On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Let's get real, there are two of our VERY LARGE, VERY expensive buildings
missing in New York. Thousands of Americans died in those buildings. There
was a large hole in our pentagon, site of our most holy protection for this
land. One plane was headed towards the Whitehouse, another of our most holy
political sites--before it was downed. There are a few airplanes of ours
which were destroyed in these attacts--and American lives lost on each and
everyone of these aircraft.

*****

For starts about a third of the people that dies inteh WTC were
foreign nationals working here in the US. So before you get down and
pray to the missing phallic symbols, remember that not only Americans
dies in NY. There is no positive conclusive belief that the fourth
plane was targeted toteh Capitol Building or the Whitehouse. There is
circumstancial evedince only.

Secondly there is nothing "Holy" about the Pentagon or teh buildings
that house our legislature or executive offices.

******
Anyone who does not want to go after those who did THAT, with every resource
at our disposal, is either a coward, terrorist themselves, or an idiot.
And, the radical muslims will point blank tell you that you have three
choices--join them, be enslaved by them or die. Any rational person would
choose a fourth--they die!

*****

Well then why are we in Iraq? UBL was never in Iraq nor were any of
his training bases. I will admit that he may have had recruiting
centers in Iraq. UBL is most likely in the Xinjiang province of China.
We had him cornered in Tora Bora and let him get away. So it seems
that the tough talking cowboy from Texas has lost his swagger or at
least his intention to go after UBL. Maybe it was tough talk and
nothing more.


We simply don't have a choice in this matter...


*****
Yes we always have choices. All to often the mouth engages before the
brain and then choices are all to often removed.

james