On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:42 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Duh! Last time I reviewed my civics and political science notes, I
thought the American People were the government. You may find it
acceptable to blindly follow your elected officials like those in
Hitler Germany!

Woah! Back up and drop the Hitler metaphors. This is not about
dictatorship, but about the ineptitude, indifference, and general lack
of understanding of "big picture" politics by the average American. We
elect representatives to carry out America's business in our best
interests so that "we the people" do not have to. If the government
had to disclose each and every piece of intelligence with the
population at large, they would, at the very least, create a national
security issue, and at the worst create confusion and panic as the
average citizen tries to come to grips with what they've just been
told.
******

no I elect representatives to do what I want. I don't elect them to go
off and do as they see fit. This may not be what th eaverage American
does but if they wish to jump off a cliff then so be it. Even a
representative democracy can desolve into facism and dictatorship.
Remember Hitler was elected and he did not gain his dictatorship
untill after he was in office. Then he convinced the Congress and the
poeple of Gernamy that it was in the best interest that he and the
leadership rebuild Germany. He asked for their trust in the
leaderships work and not to worry that they had their best interest
at heart.

The rate Congres s here is going in ten yrs we all will have to have
papers to travel around in the US. Members in Congress want even more
rigid Patriot Act enactment. I love that, they want the masses to give
up civl liberties and make them feel it is patriotic to do so! Even
call the law the "Patriot Act".

IF Americans don't wake up to the big picture it will be to late. In
fact so many things are no win place that it may now be to late. One
more 9/11 event and that may spell the end of most of our civil
liberties. I bet Jefferson is rolling in his grave at the blind sheep
the Americans have become.

james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:42 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Son I have a great deal of intreped feelings when a
President says to me trust me I am keeping the best interests of the
American People at heart and then proceeds to beat around the bush, no
pun intended, trying to justify a preemptive invasion.

There is a reason why we have a representative democracy and not a
direct democracy. We elect people who are supposedly trained in the
skills necessary to carry out our business.
*****

Go ahead and just believe that those elected have y our best
interests in mind. I hear the shears are being prepared for y ou
sheep.

james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.

Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards. You can't
get something for nothing. In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .


james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Let's get real, there are two of our VERY LARGE, VERY expensive buildings
missing in New York. Thousands of Americans died in those buildings. There
was a large hole in our pentagon, site of our most holy protection for this
land. One plane was headed towards the Whitehouse, another of our most holy
political sites--before it was downed. There are a few airplanes of ours
which were destroyed in these attacts--and American lives lost on each and
everyone of these aircraft.

*****

For starts about a third of the people that dies inteh WTC were
foreign nationals working here in the US. So before you get down and
pray to the missing phallic symbols, remember that not only Americans
dies in NY. There is no positive conclusive belief that the fourth
plane was targeted toteh Capitol Building or the Whitehouse. There is
circumstancial evedince only.

Secondly there is nothing "Holy" about the Pentagon or teh buildings
that house our legislature or executive offices.

******
Anyone who does not want to go after those who did THAT, with every resource
at our disposal, is either a coward, terrorist themselves, or an idiot.
And, the radical muslims will point blank tell you that you have three
choices--join them, be enslaved by them or die. Any rational person would
choose a fourth--they die!

*****

Well then why are we in Iraq? UBL was never in Iraq nor were any of
his training bases. I will admit that he may have had recruiting
centers in Iraq. UBL is most likely in the Xinjiang province of China.
We had him cornered in Tora Bora and let him get away. So it seems
that the tough talking cowboy from Texas has lost his swagger or at
least his intention to go after UBL. Maybe it was tough talk and
nothing more.


We simply don't have a choice in this matter...


*****
Yes we always have choices. All to often the mouth engages before the
brain and then choices are all to often removed.

james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

.of our most holy protection for this land.


Holy? Duuuuude,,,,
*****

My sentiments also. I never felt that building s were "Holy"

james

James:

There is much truth in your words. The forefathers intended the least gov't
is the best gov't--gov't should only serve the people and provide for their
best interests and well being--down to the very last, one, single,
citizen...

It is quite obvious this gov't has much bigger plans...

Warmest regards,
John

"james" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:42 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Son I have a great deal of intreped feelings when a
President says to me trust me I am keeping the best interests of the
American People at heart and then proceeds to beat around the bush, no
pun intended, trying to justify a preemptive invasion.

There is a reason why we have a representative democracy and not a
direct democracy. We elect people who are supposedly trained in the
skills necessary to carry out our business.
*****

Go ahead and just believe that those elected have y our best
interests in mind. I hear the shears are being prepared for y ou
sheep.

james

James:

Gesus man, you are RIGHT ON!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"james" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.

Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards. You can't
get something for nothing. In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .


james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:56:48 -0400, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

This sounds just like the crusades all over again. If you haven't seen the
new movie "Kingdom of Heaven" I suggest that you do. It will remind you of
what is happening in the middle east now, even if it wasn't the intent of
the movie.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

*******

Fantastic movie. The best that I have seen in several years.

The messages were subtile but there. If one recognizes, then the movie
has great meaning.

james

James:

If you haven't noticed, we ARE right in the middle of the right place to
find enemies... if you don't think there are tightly knit groups of
radicals right in Iraq and most of the other surrounding countries, think
again... better to fight them there than here... at least the gauntlet has
been thrown down on foreign soil and the battles and war can take place
there... life goes on as usual here, children attend school, retired people
vacation and there are NO suicide bombings or terrorist attacks--there is
enough there to busy their hands... let the war stay there...

Warmest regards,
John

"james" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 09:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Let's get real, there are two of our VERY LARGE, VERY expensive buildings
missing in New York. Thousands of Americans died in those buildings.
There
was a large hole in our pentagon, site of our most holy protection for
this
land. One plane was headed towards the Whitehouse, another of our most
holy
political sites--before it was downed. There are a few airplanes of ours
which were destroyed in these attacts--and American lives lost on each and
everyone of these aircraft.

*****

For starts about a third of the people that dies inteh WTC were
foreign nationals working here in the US. So before you get down and
pray to the missing phallic symbols, remember that not only Americans
dies in NY. There is no positive conclusive belief that the fourth
plane was targeted toteh Capitol Building or the Whitehouse. There is
circumstancial evedince only.

Secondly there is nothing "Holy" about the Pentagon or teh buildings
that house our legislature or executive offices.

******
Anyone who does not want to go after those who did THAT, with every
resource
at our disposal, is either a coward, terrorist themselves, or an idiot.
And, the radical muslims will point blank tell you that you have three
choices--join them, be enslaved by them or die. Any rational person would
choose a fourth--they die!

*****

Well then why are we in Iraq? UBL was never in Iraq nor were any of
his training bases. I will admit that he may have had recruiting
centers in Iraq. UBL is most likely in the Xinjiang province of China.
We had him cornered in Tora Bora and let him get away. So it seems
that the tough talking cowboy from Texas has lost his swagger or at
least his intention to go after UBL. Maybe it was tough talk and
nothing more.


We simply don't have a choice in this matter...


*****
Yes we always have choices. All to often the mouth engages before the
brain and then choices are all to often removed.

james

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
James:

Gesus man, you are RIGHT ON!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"james" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.

Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards. You can't
get something for nothing. In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .


james


Hello, James

I don't know how much of the world will see huge inflation, but I will
guarantee we, in the United States, *will* see it if the huge deficits
aren't corrected.

Taxes are going to have to rise (actually, at the local level they are -
sales tax, fees, etc.). Ever notice the "FCC fee" on your telephone bill?
Eventually, they are going to have to tap the wealthy (including the capital
gains), but if they wait too long, it will be too late. My guess is that if
the Republicans loose some elections, the Democrats will raise taxes (which
should have already been done, considering the deficit). Then, the
Republicans will have new ammunition for the next elections.

Regardless, the Federal deficit, in my mind, is the most dangerous thing for
the United States at this point in mind (closely followed by the current
administration).


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim