From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:12:35 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
wrote:
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:37:09 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:
How many links do you need, Dave?

Just one good and accurate one would be

nice, but you haven't posted any.


You've been given several and like it has been correctly observed, you
dismiss all of them as a conspiracy of the left.

Just snippets of your own out of context

interpretations of some biased, agenda-driven

news report.

There were no interpretations, only cut and pastes, but the content so
vehemently opposed what you say, it is perfectly understandable that
soneone of your intellect level would take such as being rewritten in
order to preserve your almost always wrong positions.


Post the whole link, you know, something that

begins with "http://", so we can all read it.


I already did. Your **** poor memory is stringing you along and forcing
you to wear the "kick me" sign again.

David T. Hall Jr.

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ

(Hello, Dave
Since being in contact with a few friends who are so severely on the
extreme right, I have found the best way to get news is *outside* of the
United States. Whatever article is written here, it is dismissed as work
of the demonic liberal left.)

There is a great deal of truth in that.



Yep,,and it's you doing all the dismissing.

The major news media has been infiltrated, as
have much of academia,


And the WH merely makes up junk and presents it as news, an issue you
know you can not touch, as it defeats your position and ilustrates your
hypocrisy, as you accept such behavior when commited by your party.
Frank defeated your position and illustrated your hypocrisy by astutely
showing several key areas where you refuse to apply your own set of
standards when the outcome is not favorable to your personal views.

with the followers of left leaning politics. This

has been going on in ernest since the 60's and
the Vietnam war, when it was realized that the
only way for a small political minority to win

their objective of large scale governmental

reform, was from within through slow, careful

indoctrination and propaganda.



That was called "Trcikle down" and it failed miserably.

The two best places to achieve that goal are in
the agencies which bring us the news, and the
institutions which educate our impressionable

young.



LMAO,,,now you have a problem with the educational system in that they
have a secret agenda with "indoctrination of the young" and
"propaganda". You should write for Dr. Who, but onlyafter you go to
college and learn a few things.

It had been working fairly well,


For example...

until the advent

of the internet, talk radio, and independent

news services such as Fox News.



Bull****. Reagan was elected for eight years during that time span,
illustrating just the opposite of your warblings.


The ability to cross check the news and parse

out the spin, essentially put the spotlight on

the mainstream news media, and people like

Dan Rather and Jayson Blair.




But those WH deliberate false press releases
are perfectly acceptable. What a card!

Exposure of such radical leftists in teaching

roles such as Ward Churchill,


Or Tom Delay on the right.

and countless others,


..like the majority.

is slowly revealing the true intentions of these

seemingly unconnected (except for ideology)

people.


Hahaha....watch the little green men, Dave, when you're out there.

The rise of conservative groups and

watchdog organizations to balance the

prejudice of the left on university campuses,

will hopefully slow and eventually correct

much of the damage that the left has done in

the last 30 years.



You're just sore because the filibuster wasn't done away with,
illustrating you are at war with the laws and safety nets the government
put in place to protect the majority from angry radical loonies like
yourself.


(I have found the U.K., Canada, and Australia
to be pretty nifty places.)





Of course, the world

is just loaded with the liberal left ... )




People with paranoia issues tend to feel like everyone else is against
them.

You have to understand that in much of the

world, especially in the socialist-leaning

countries like France and Germany, there is a

decidedly anti-capitalist, anti-US slant.


Bush made it that way. In addition, in countries around the world, it is
extremely unsafe for Americans to travel abroad. It was never like that
until Bush took office and the only thing he made safer was the bet that
he was going to take this country into debt and get a bunch of our
people killed for reasons that even you can't seem to place in proper
context.

So if you think you will get an objective news

piece from any of them, you are seriously

naive.


There's that arrogance. No Dave, I am fairly comfortable when I say the
majority would claim Jimbo, at almost 20 years your senior,
is not naive in the ways of the world and their news. In fact, I would
hedge that his experience abroad in the military exposed him to much
more than yourself regarding worldwide knowledge and news, and
therefore, it is your claim, if any, that is "naive".
You again are claiming the news is biased to the left. Since the news is
all biased to the left, (you have been asked this before), what source
is it from which you get your misinformation?

As for the U.K., Canada, and Australia, they

are more balanced but depending on which

factions are backing the "news", you could be

reading either left or right wing slant.



LMAO,,you know jack ****t!!! Name two "factions" for each.

It helps to dig deeply into who backs these

groups in order to determine just how

"objective" they may or may not be.



And since you are talking **** again, you would have no problem
illustrating two factions for each..you know,,,since you had to "dig
deeply" for these factions.......

(Hitler did a pretty good job convincing his
people as to what was right and wrong. )

Yes, and just like Hitler blamed all or most of

Germany's problems on the Jews, so to are

the operatives on the left trying to blame most

of America's problems on rich, God

respecting, white people.




Oh, but you have problems. You have always neatly presented you hold
other views (such as an American political party other than yours) in
contempt, but to publicly claim the democrats
are akin to nazis really illustrates your magnified ignorance. It is the
Bush admin that has paraphrased Stalin and invoked the exact same
rhetoric. When Bush-the-ignorant was informed that he paraphrased Stalin
in one of his speeches, he never repeated it again and that was the end
of it. The utterance? "You are either with us or against us". So now we
have YOUR party not only employing the rhetoric and behavior of those
oppressive murderous thugs, but people like you telling any one who
dares illustrate the misdeeds of your party they are "naive".


(I am not so easily persuaded.)

Neither am I.


You're not easily taught, either.

David T. Hall Jr.

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:37:09 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

How many links do you need, Dave?


Just one good and accurate one would be nice, but you haven't posted
any. Just snippets of your own out of context interpretations of some
biased, agenda-driven news report.

Post the whole link, you know, something that begins with "http://",
so we can all read it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Hello, Dave


I ranted a bit about our deficit and economy. We know many jobs went to
Mexico and now to China.

Yep, we are the real technocracy leaders. Guess who launched Direct TV's
new satellite? Perhaps I should send you a link:
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publ...8.html?2352005

Really reassuring, isn't it.


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim

On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:25:28 GMT, "Jim Hampton"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 May 2005 10:37:09 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

How many links do you need, Dave?


Just one good and accurate one would be nice, but you haven't posted
any. Just snippets of your own out of context interpretations of some
biased, agenda-driven news report.

Post the whole link, you know, something that begins with "http://",
so we can all read it.

Dave
"Sandbagger"


Hello, Dave


I ranted a bit about our deficit and economy. We know many jobs went to
Mexico and now to China.

Yep, we are the real technocracy leaders. Guess who launched Direct TV's
new satellite? Perhaps I should send you a link:
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publ...8.html?2352005

Really reassuring, isn't it.


Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.

Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards. You can't
get something for nothing. In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .


james

James:

Gesus man, you are RIGHT ON!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"james" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.

Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards. You can't
get something for nothing. In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .


james

On Wed, 25 May 2005 20:26:51 GMT, james wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:12:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

Outsourcing is inevitable until the standard of living in the rest of
the world equalizes with our own.

It's not good news for us, but it's an unfortunate reality.
******

You will sing a different tune when your $60K per yr job goes to China
and your planned retirement of $120K+ dwindles down to $36K per yr.

Why would I sing a different tune? The reality is the same whether I'm
directly affected by it or not. I never said it was a good thing for
American workers, but it is an understandable trend considering the
economic dynamics of the world market.


Think who benifits from outsourcing?

Long term or short?


Corporations. Why?

Consumers demand lower prices and Corparations are doing their best to
give the consumers what they want. Sorry but cheap prices can't go on
for ever. Once the world's cheap labor is exploited, consumer prices
will rise like a Proton Rocket.

So, here we have a double edged sword. We live in a world economy,
with companies from all over the world competing for market share. So,
what's a U.S. based corporation to do? Should it:

A. Keep its U.S. work force in order to altruistically keep the
American work force employed?

B. Outsource to a foreign country where labor and overhead is much
cheaper?

Considering that other countries have no objection to using cheap
foreign labor, and producing products cheaper, the U.S. company is now
at a competitive disadvantage with those products which they are in
direct competition from foreign companies.

Tell me, would you pay 50 - 100% more for a TV or some other product
just to keep the U.S. company here? Considering that the government is
squeezing more and more money out of us in the form of taxes, and the
costs of things like fuel are skyrocketing, we look for the best
bargains in everything we buy.

And that doesn't cover the foreign market. Would a European pay more
for a U.S. made product over a foreign made product?

What ultimately happens to a U.S. corporation who loses a competitive
edge?


What happens when there are no more cheap labor countries like China?
Can you spell double digit inflation??? How about 20% per yr for about
ten yrs. Maybe even longer or higher inflation rates.

Yes, inflation is a very real fear. But when the standard of living
equalizes, then there will be no further incentive to manufacture
overseas. Then factors such as shipping costs will make domestic
manufacturing attractive again for the U.S. market. Inflation may also
be mitigated by market pressures. If people cannot afford to buy as
much, demand goes down. When demand goes down, so does the price.
That's free market 101.


Yes as the world's standard of living increases, so will inflation. I
forsee 10 to 20% annual inflation rates somewhere in the 2030 to 2040
time frame. By then the world will dream of 4% inflation rates.


Out sourcing is eventually going to drag the US' standard of living
down to the rest of the world's as their's rises towards.

That's what I meant when I said equalize the world's standard of
living. Not only will the 3rd world catch up, but we will fall
somewhat. That is the price we pay for living in a world market. 50
years ago, when most of our goods were made here, we controlled the
market. Now we're just one of many players.


You can't get something for nothing.

You don't know just how much truth there is in that statement.

In time the US will suffer. Prepare for
China owning more an dmore of teh US debt and consequently the US'
economy .

Ok, We pretty much agree that the road ahead will be a bit bumpy. So
what do we do about it? Can we do anything about it?

Let's get real, there are two of our VERY LARGE, VERY expensive buildings
missing in New York. Thousands of Americans died in those buildings. There
was a large hole in our pentagon, site of our most holy protection for this
land. One plane was headed towards the Whitehouse, another of our most holy
political sites--before it was downed. There are a few airplanes of ours
which were destroyed in these attacts--and American lives lost on each and
everyone of these aircraft.

Anyone who does not want to go after those who did THAT, with every resource
at our disposal, is either a coward, terrorist themselves, or an idiot.
And, the radical muslims will point blank tell you that you have three
choices--join them, be enslaved by them or die. Any rational person would
choose a fourth--they die!

We simply don't have a choice in this matter...

Warmest regards,
John

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
How many links do you need, Dave?

Here are a few more, just to keep you entertained.


From the Times wires:

Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration asserted that Iraq
possessed chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear
weapons. Officials also allege Iraq was working on prohibited long-range
missiles and drones that could disperse biological agents. The
presidential intelligene commison examined each of the US intelligence
community's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and
reached these conclusions:


Nuclear Weapons: Wrong
Analysts wrongly interpreted the purpose of some metal tubes Iraq tried
to import, arguing they were for centrifuges to enrich uranium when they
were for conventional artillery rockets. Other imports of materials with
more than one potential use were also similarily misinterpreted.


Biological Weapons: Wrong
Agencies trusted several Iraqi defectors who were lying, ignoring
inconsistencies in their statements and other warning signs that these
defectors were providing false information.


Chemical Weapons: WRONG
The intelligence committe drew its conclusions
from satellite photos of trucks and buildings and other sources that
were suspicious but ultimately ambiguous, and trusted human sources who
made claims that Hussein had accomplished things that are technically
impossiible.


WMD-Armed Drones: Wrong
Analysts concluded the drones were for WMD based on limited information;
Iraq;s drones turned out to be for reconnaissance.


Hussein's Intentions: Wrong
Intelligence agencies did not seriously consider Hussein could have
given up his WMD ambitions and destroyed his stockpiles. Although
several intel sources asserted before the war that Iraq did not have any
WMD, US analysts have regarded this as disinformation.


End of Times wire report.
--
Want more, Dave? The list is endless but these should have you spinning
your wheels a bit more than usual since your first knee-jerk reaction
was to deny any Bush failures, then
beg for examples.

From: (John=A0Smith)
Let's get real, there are two of our VERY

LARGE, VERY expensive buildings missing in
New York.

In part because of the Bush admins failures. The failures listed below
all came after 911 and are independent of the acts against the US.

Thousands of Americans died in those

buildings.

See above.

There was a large hole in our pentagon, site

.of our most holy protection for this land.


Holy? Duuuuude,,,,

One plane was headed towards the

Whitehouse, another of our most holy political

sites--




"Holy political"?

before it was downed. There are a few

airplanes of ours which were destroyed in

these attacts--and American lives lost on each
and everyone of these aircraft.

Anyone who does not want to go after those

who did THAT, with every resource at our

disposal, is either a coward, terrorist

themselves, or an idiot.


And only an idiot would believe BL is in Iraq, or that Iraq had anything
to do with what you described above.
But what you did here is what Bush often does, he uses the term "Iraq"
when speaking of 911 and BL, but I will admit, he has stopped doing this
since the 911 Report. Now if only his legions of sheople can manage to
emulate him in this regard.....

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

Any rational person would choose a

fourth--they die!


Fortunately, we were never in such a position.

We simply don't have a choice in this matter...

What matter is that? Going after BL and those responsible for 911, or
the war in Iraq? Even Bush no longer tries to employ such long ago
defeated rhetoric.

Warmest regards,

John



From the Times wires:
Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration asserted that Iraq
possessed chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear
weapons. Officials also allege Iraq was working on prohibited long-range
missiles and drones that could disperse biological agents. The
presidential intelligene commison examined each of the US intelligence
community's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and
reached these conclusions:


Nuclear Weapons: Wrong
Analysts wrongly interpreted the purpose of some metal tubes Iraq tried
to import, arguing they were for centrifuges to enrich uranium when they
were for conventional artillery rockets. Other imports of materials with
more than one potential use were also similarily misinterpreted.



Biological Weapons: Wrong
Agencies trusted several Iraqi defectors who were lying, ignoring
inconsistencies in their statements and other warning signs that these
defectors were providing false information.



Chemical Weapons: WRONG
The intelligence committe drew its conclusions from satellite photos of
trucks and buildings and other sources that were suspicious but
ultimately ambiguous, and trusted human sources who made claims that
Hussein had accomplished things that are technically impossiible.



WMD-Armed Drones: Wrong
Analysts concluded the drones were for WMD based on limited information;
Iraq;s drones turned out to be for reconnaissance.


Hussein's Intentions: Wrong
Intelligence agencies did not seriously consider Hussein could have
given up his WMD ambitions and destroyed his stockpiles. Although
several intel sources asserted before the war that Iraq did not have any
WMD, US analysts have regarded this as disinformation.
End of Times wire report.
--

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

This sounds just like the crusades all over again. If you haven't seen the
new movie "Kingdom of Heaven" I suggest that you do. It will remind you of
what is happening in the middle east now, even if it wasn't the intent of
the movie.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

On Wed, 25 May 2005 13:56:48 -0400, "Leland C. Scott"
wrote:

On Wed, 25 May 2005 12:39:42 -0400, I AmnotGeorgeBush wrote:

And, the radical muslims will point blank tell

you that you have three choices--join them, be
enslaved by them or die.


Muslims don't run this country, and the oppression you speak of is not
limited to just the Muslim world or Iraq .

This sounds just like the crusades all over again. If you haven't seen the
new movie "Kingdom of Heaven" I suggest that you do. It will remind you of
what is happening in the middle east now, even if it wasn't the intent of
the movie.

Regards,

Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO

*******

Fantastic movie. The best that I have seen in several years.

The messages were subtile but there. If one recognizes, then the movie
has great meaning.

james