Dave:

No, gov't flows from the citizens to the gov't--wouldn't create any more
gov't... we need citizens in control of a home militia...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 May 2005 11:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

We need a good strong militia here, something on a national level to
oversee
and watchdog our gov't--and have a basic plan if there ever arises a
need to
rise up and take control back from our gov't...

So you want to create a shadow government? Who in this organization
would be accountable to the people? How would they be chosen? Who
would determine when the government had "overstepped its bounds". How
would this vigilante shadow governmental oversight group institute its
"takeover" of the government? Do you think a bunch of unorganized
citizens with rifles and shotguns would be able to defeat the U.S.
military?


you would think someone in
the right position with enough money would already have something
started,
anyone know of a good group... nothing radical, just a group which
swears to
uphold the constitution, but will resort to force if necessary?

I think the communist party is looking for new recruits......

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:43:39 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Dave:

No, gov't flows from the citizens to the gov't--wouldn't create any more
gov't... we need citizens in control of a home militia...


Ok, let's run with that. So how do you plan to create a group which
would have enough power to overthrow the "official" government, which
also controls the military?

Dave
"Sandbagger"
http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj

That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave:

No, gov't flows from the citizens to the gov't--wouldn't create any
more gov't... we need citizens in control of a home militia...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 May 2005 11:03:07 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

We need a good strong militia here, something on a national level to
oversee
and watchdog our gov't--and have a basic plan if there ever arises a
need to
rise up and take control back from our gov't...

So you want to create a shadow government? Who in this organization
would be accountable to the people? How would they be chosen? Who
would determine when the government had "overstepped its bounds". How
would this vigilante shadow governmental oversight group institute
its
"takeover" of the government? Do you think a bunch of unorganized
citizens with rifles and shotguns would be able to defeat the U.S.
military?


you would think someone in
the right position with enough money would already have something
started,
anyone know of a good group... nothing radical, just a group which
swears to
uphold the constitution, but will resort to force if necessary?

I think the communist party is looking for new recruits......

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...


Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to no less than a civil
war.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

At this point, I doubt "civil war" would define it correctly...
More like us against all the laotians, vietnamese, philippinos,
mexicans, indians, pakis, middle eastereners, etc, etc, etc which our
public servants have given citizenship so we can support their medical,
schools and use of our public facilities...

Warmest regards,
John
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would
have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his
powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...


Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to no less than a civil
war.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...

Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to
no less than a civil war.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ


Which is practically an American birthright, as defined by the entire
concept of the right to assemble State Militias. Such militias were
designed by definition, as a necessary means to overthrow the US
government should that government ever become corrupt.

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:45:57 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

From: (Dave*Hall)
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...

Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to
no less than a civil war.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ


Which is practically an American birthright, as defined by the entire
concept of the right to assemble State Militias. Such militias were
designed by definition, as a necessary means to overthrow the US
government should that government ever become corrupt.

You are correct. That's what the 2nd amendment is all about. But tell
me, in practical terms, how does a "militia" stand up against the
organized might of the U.S. military?

Dave
"Sandbagger"

Dave:

Kinda like the "suicide bombers" in Iraq--only hopefully Americans are
intelligent to get away without blowing themselves up--would be more
effective if more than one bomb could be delivered before your
death--hypothetically speaking of course...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 13:45:57 -0400, (I
AmnotGeorgeBush) wrote:

From: (Dave Hall)
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would
have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his
powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...

Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to
no less than a civil war.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ


Which is practically an American birthright, as defined by the entire
concept of the right to assemble State Militias. Such militias were
designed by definition, as a necessary means to overthrow the US
government should that government ever become corrupt.

You are correct. That's what the 2nd amendment is all about. But tell
me, in practical terms, how does a "militia" stand up against the
organized might of the U.S. military?

Dave
"Sandbagger"

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:12:14 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Dave:

Kinda like the "suicide bombers" in Iraq--only hopefully Americans are
intelligent to get away without blowing themselves up--would be more
effective if more than one bomb could be delivered before your
death--hypothetically speaking of course...

Warmest regards,
John


Then we would be no better morally, than the terrorists that we are
seeking to fight in the middle east.

Killing innocent lives through violence to front a cause seems to be
counterproductive. It's hard to gather sympathy and support for your
cause, when your "bombs" kill someone in another's family.

That's why, I believe, we will ultimately win in Iraq. The Iraqi
people are growing tired of the criminal element in their own society
carrying out these acts of violence, and they will (and are) help us
to eradicate them.

Dave
"Sandbagger"

ahhh, don't look so they can see you, but take a look--I think it is
already corrupt... frown

Warmest regards,
John

"I AmnotGeorgeBush" wrote in message
...
From: (Dave Hall)
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:55:57 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
That is the crux of the matter, we need to control our politicians
(public servants) they control the military for us--the force would have
to be directed the the servants who are going about with their own
plans--just enough to convince them it is more beneficial for them to
follow the peoples... we did this with a king of england and his powers
once... I would suppose it could be done again... if that need ever
arises...

Be careful what you advocate. It would lead to
no less than a civil war.

Dave

"Sandbagger"

N3CVJ


Which is practically an American birthright, as defined by the entire
concept of the right to assemble State Militias. Such militias were
designed by definition, as a necessary means to overthrow the US
government should that government ever become corrupt.