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Who Needs The ARRL? July 10th 05 06:27 AM

Who needs the ARRL, anyway?
 
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




Joe S. July 10th 05 12:06 PM



"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is

self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs

in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee?

A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections

of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if

the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it

is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL

cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life

Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better

things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice

the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak

with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?



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I AmnotGeorgeBush July 10th 05 12:50 PM

From: (Joe=A0S.)
"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is
self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed
Amateurs in the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?)
fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private'
sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email
address? (more spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the FCC has ever given that much credence.
I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that
it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL
cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life
Members.
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better
things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club,
yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a
Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club
and claim twice the elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak
with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency,
double the elitism.
CQ Contest, anyone?

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But of course. Whenever one accurately illustrates the position of this
now-useless group, the defend-at-all-cost members must attack the
messengers instead of actually providing sometthing that could be
construed as proactive via their bull****.


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That would more accurately describe those who pay to receive the group's
spam and continue to delude themselves into incorrectly thinking and
believing they have a say regarding radio policy crafted by the FCC.


AKC owns this NG July 10th 05 02:14 PM



Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?


That's just twitlips convincing himself and nobody else that he can
write. The queenboy aint even a ham.


AKC owns this NG July 10th 05 02:16 PM

Whatsamatter twitlips, the truckers didn't wanna tag FUGGLY today and
you aint got any money to buy kittens to kill?

You aint even a ham, and for that matter aint even a CB'er. Go stuff it
in your shorts, keyclown.


[email protected] July 10th 05 02:36 PM

I have mixed feelings about the ARRL, but I think he has a valid point.

First of all, I really hate QST. I find the April fools articles highly
insulting (Scientific American used to do it, but they took the time to
make the articles creative and thought-provoking (not to mention highly
convincing). It's as if QST just has some extra pages every year that
they can't fill with useful information.

Another thing that really burns me about QST is the proportion of
articles about putting memory or peripherals in your computer, or using
the internet. Not only are there plenty of magazines out there that are
doing a much better job of supporting the PC culture, but the internet
is also arguably the reason that kids are not interested in ham radio
anymore.. well, that, and the ARRL is still trying to attract
youngsters with the exciting prospect of talking to people around the
world. They haven't noticed that kids are carrying cell phones to
middle school and making penpals on other continents with AIM.

Finally, I really don't like contesting at all, and this is a big part
of QST's content too. Contesting brings out the ugliest aspects of most
hams' personalities, and it's just not interesting to me to fight qrm
and lousy bands to exchange a callsign, qth, and get the hell off my
frequency, over and over again,

I would happily join if I could do without it, but as it says in the
masthead, membership and subscription to QST cannot be separated. Here
is the reason, in case you're wondering. I worked for a
pretty-good-sized magazine, and I spoke with QST's editor so this isn't
something I just made up. Magazines do not get rich selling
subscriptions. They do, however, have to demonstrate large circulation
in order to convince advertisers to part with their money. QST is a big
money maker for the ARRL, but if half of the members quit their
subscription, Kenwood, Icom, HRO, and all the others would invest in
other publications with better numbers.

Is the league wasting our money? I don't know.. I took a break from ham
radio for a few years while pursuing other interests, and last year
when I got back on the air I discovered a new band. Okay, well, it's
just a few frequencies, but I know that in the past hams have gotten
stirred up over the prospect of losing a band to wireless cable,
paging, or whatever, and the ARRL played a big part in defending our
spectrum (or at least that's how I remember it). I know the FCC isn't
in the habit of just giving up frequencies too, so I have to think that
the league's lobbyists had at least something to do with that.

Maybe it would be perfect if we could get rid of QST and get the league
to put those dollars and personnel into the other, more practical
functions, but I suspect that, aside from the three of us, just about
everyone actually likes reading that rag, and there isn't much of an
incentive for them to scrap it.

The editors and directors of QST are really nice people to talk to, and
I encourage everyone to call them and (tactfully) share your feelings.
If nobody complains about it, why should they fix it?


Caveat Lector July 10th 05 03:46 PM

ONLY GAME IN TOWN

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !



Korbin Dallas July 10th 05 03:50 PM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:14:19 -0700, AKC owns this NG wrote:



Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:


I'm surprised you found the news groups since you seem too stupid to
understand that the ARRL does...

--
Korbin Dallas
The name was changed to protect the guilty.


Tim July 10th 05 06:54 PM

Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim




Cmd Buzz Corey July 10th 05 09:36 PM

Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.


You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes,
but I guess a troll wouldn't know that.

Cmd Buzz Corey July 10th 05 09:38 PM

Tim wrote:
Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim



Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you
know they were chasing trucks?

I AmnotGeorgeBush July 10th 05 09:50 PM

From: (Korbin=A0Dallas)
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:14:19 -0700, AKC owns this NG wrote:
Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

I'm surprised you found the news groups since
you seem too stupid to understand that the


ARRL does...


--


Korbin Dallas


The name was changed to protect the guilty.



Understand that the ARRL does -what-?
"You seem too stupid to understand" what it is exactly you are trying
to stutter.


Not Roger 2 July 10th 05 11:33 PM


"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:

Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if

the
FCC has ever given that much credence.


You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes,
but I guess a troll wouldn't know that.


Read the post again, this time without moving your lips. Nowhere did it
state that one must be an ARRL member in order to vote on proposed rule
changes.



Mike Coslo July 10th 05 11:47 PM

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Tim wrote:

Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.

Tim



Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you
know they were chasing trucks?



And whats the deal with 50 and 60 y.o. men anyhow? That's the age when
people become president, move into the upper management positions, and
generally run things....

sunnavagun!


- Mike KB3EIA -

Cmd Buzz Corey July 11th 05 12:20 AM

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:


+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim


******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james


So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?

Lloyd July 11th 05 12:41 AM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:47:32 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

sunnavagun!


- Mike KB3EIA -


Wow. He has a copyright on "sunnavagun" I'll bet; or maybe a it's an
obsession. Either way, he sure thinks he's being perspicacious while
everyone else thinks he's being repetitious.

Get a new word, Droid.

james July 11th 05 01:11 AM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:

+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim

******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james

Cmd Buzz Corey July 11th 05 03:01 AM

running dogg wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:


james wrote:

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:



+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim

******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james


So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?



I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never
felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.)


Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).

running dogg July 11th 05 03:36 AM

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote:


+Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
+all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
+drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
+of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
+
+Tim


******

Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
and how much mobility they have lost.

james


So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?


I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never
felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.)


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John S. July 11th 05 05:35 PM



beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away
with? Is that true?

What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any
solution at all?

If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the
problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do
best.


Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.


james July 11th 05 09:09 PM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:20:35 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:

+james wrote:
+ On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
+ wrote:
+
+
++Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
++all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck
++drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one
++of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen.
++
++Tim
+
+ ******
+
+ Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning
+ discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care
+ and how much mobility they have lost.
+
+ james
+
+So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen?

*******

No. I laughed through the whole thing.

james


james July 11th 05 09:11 PM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:

+Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
+probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
+radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).

*****

Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way.

I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to
do myself.

james

Cmd Buzz Corey July 11th 05 09:13 PM

james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote:


+Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you
+probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the
+radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair).


*****

Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way.

I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to
do myself.

james


You must lead a boring life.

Cmd Buzz Corey July 11th 05 09:15 PM

Dave Holford wrote:
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.



Double the 'frequency' ??


What do you expect from a cber?

Dave Holford July 11th 05 09:51 PM



One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.


Double the 'frequency' ??


KØHB July 11th 05 10:14 PM


"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote

The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse
to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double
the frequency, double the elitism.


Damn, and here I thought that the 20M band was at about half the frequency of
the 10M band. Did those rascals at ARRL go and change that too? Where on the
dial can I now find my 20M buddies, up in the old 5M band? I thought we'd lost
that band way back in the 40's.

dit dit
de Hans, K0HB






I AmnotGeorgeBush July 11th 05 10:14 PM

From: (Cmd=A0Buzz=A0Corey)
Tim wrote:
(Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers all over their
cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck drivers around to see
what frequency they are on, has got to one of the most hilarious things
anyone has ever seen.
Tim )


Have you seen it?



A hammie told us he does it.

How many?


One.

Where were they?


He's in Gastonia, NC

What highway?


Those by his house.

How do you know they were chasing trucks?


He told us and we all know an officer in the CAPS would never lie about
enforcement issues and actions he takes. It was K4KWH, Jerry Oxendine.
Email him and ask him.


an_old_friend July 11th 05 11:03 PM



John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?




So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away
with? Is that true?

What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any
solution at all?

If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the
problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do
best.


Break

Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.


and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them


RJ July 13th 05 04:15 AM

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.


"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message
...
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is
self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs
in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee?
A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections
of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if
the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it
is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL
cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life
Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better
things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice
the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak
with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?






Vinnie S. July 13th 05 01:53 PM

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote:

The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in
the United States.
Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A
glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of
the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more
spam)
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the
FCC has ever given that much credence.

I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is
a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially
those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members.

One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things,
such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another
wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty
Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the
elitism.
The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with
those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the
elitism.

CQ Contest, anyone?


Well, other than reading their website or using their books to pass an exam, I
know little about them. But it seems they run the show, and are very powerful.
Sometimes, they are better off having 2 of these type organizations. But one is
better than none.

Vinnie S.

John S. July 13th 05 02:33 PM



an_old_friend wrote:
John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:

Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.


and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them


I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to.
Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members.
The ARRL may (and should) **** off the complacent members who cling to
the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required
because the old-timers had to take them.


Phil Kane July 14th 05 11:44 PM

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:15:47 GMT, RJ wrote:

I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue
for amateurs.


The only solution to that is to get The Congress to pass the bill
that has been introduced three times to assert Federal jurisdiction
and get the problem solved (I deal with CC&R cases professionally).
The Congress stonewalls it every time. Few if any states even want
to touch it.

What do YOU suggest?

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



AKC owns this NG July 15th 05 09:53 AM

Actually, you doped up drunk, it is a good thing. When a keyclown loses
his job cuz he is a keyclown then a step is taken toward overall
keyclown eradication.


AKC owns this NG July 15th 05 09:55 AM

He doesn't have a mom...the cocker spaniel who voided its' bowels to
create him got hit by a car.


AKC owns this NG July 15th 05 09:56 AM

The original poster is jealous because they are heterosexual 50 and 60
year old men who won't bother with his wristflipping idiocy.


Bill Sohl July 15th 05 03:42 PM


"John S." wrote in message
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an_old_friend wrote:
John S. wrote:
beerbarrel wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?"
JIm@GuessWho wrote:
Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has
these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL
without having something better to replace it.

The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer
younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby
won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur
radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's.


and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them


I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to.
Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members.
The ARRL may (and should) **** off the
complacent members who cling to
the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required
because the old-timers had to take them.


Are you suggesting there should not be any testing?

Cheers,
Bill K2UNK



ZoobsR GoodForYerToobs July 15th 05 04:12 PM

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:03:35 -0400, beerbarrel
wrote:

Agreed 110%...but most posts that you see are about the problems with
ARRL. I realize that it has problems, but it would be best to see
these folks directing their attention at rectifying the situation.
Bottom line, it's all we got. If it's broke, let's fix it.


.... or replace it.


I AmnotGeorgeBush July 15th 05 10:36 PM

From: (AKC=A0owns=A0this=A0NG)
N8WWM, deemed mentally unsound (retarded) via an Ohio court of law,
vomited:
Actually, you doped up drunk, it is a good


thing. When a keyclown loses his job cuz he is
a keyclown then a step is taken toward overall
keyclown eradication.


Just because you lost your kids doesn't mean they will be eradicated. In
fact, it assures pudgy overweight incestuous perverts like yourself are
made to pay via the garnishing of your wages. I heard the IRS is next on
the "thank you sir may I have another" list of doug-****ers.



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