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Who needs the ARRL, anyway?
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating,
demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? |
"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message ... The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||| || 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 +10dB +20dB Troll-O-Meter |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| |||||||||||||||||||||||||| || 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 +10dB +20dB Dumbass-O-Meter |
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Who Needs The ARRL? wrote: The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? That's just twitlips convincing himself and nobody else that he can write. The queenboy aint even a ham. |
Whatsamatter twitlips, the truckers didn't wanna tag FUGGLY today and
you aint got any money to buy kittens to kill? You aint even a ham, and for that matter aint even a CB'er. Go stuff it in your shorts, keyclown. |
I have mixed feelings about the ARRL, but I think he has a valid point.
First of all, I really hate QST. I find the April fools articles highly insulting (Scientific American used to do it, but they took the time to make the articles creative and thought-provoking (not to mention highly convincing). It's as if QST just has some extra pages every year that they can't fill with useful information. Another thing that really burns me about QST is the proportion of articles about putting memory or peripherals in your computer, or using the internet. Not only are there plenty of magazines out there that are doing a much better job of supporting the PC culture, but the internet is also arguably the reason that kids are not interested in ham radio anymore.. well, that, and the ARRL is still trying to attract youngsters with the exciting prospect of talking to people around the world. They haven't noticed that kids are carrying cell phones to middle school and making penpals on other continents with AIM. Finally, I really don't like contesting at all, and this is a big part of QST's content too. Contesting brings out the ugliest aspects of most hams' personalities, and it's just not interesting to me to fight qrm and lousy bands to exchange a callsign, qth, and get the hell off my frequency, over and over again, I would happily join if I could do without it, but as it says in the masthead, membership and subscription to QST cannot be separated. Here is the reason, in case you're wondering. I worked for a pretty-good-sized magazine, and I spoke with QST's editor so this isn't something I just made up. Magazines do not get rich selling subscriptions. They do, however, have to demonstrate large circulation in order to convince advertisers to part with their money. QST is a big money maker for the ARRL, but if half of the members quit their subscription, Kenwood, Icom, HRO, and all the others would invest in other publications with better numbers. Is the league wasting our money? I don't know.. I took a break from ham radio for a few years while pursuing other interests, and last year when I got back on the air I discovered a new band. Okay, well, it's just a few frequencies, but I know that in the past hams have gotten stirred up over the prospect of losing a band to wireless cable, paging, or whatever, and the ARRL played a big part in defending our spectrum (or at least that's how I remember it). I know the FCC isn't in the habit of just giving up frequencies too, so I have to think that the league's lobbyists had at least something to do with that. Maybe it would be perfect if we could get rid of QST and get the league to put those dollars and personnel into the other, more practical functions, but I suspect that, aside from the three of us, just about everyone actually likes reading that rag, and there isn't much of an incentive for them to scrap it. The editors and directors of QST are really nice people to talk to, and I encourage everyone to call them and (tactfully) share your feelings. If nobody complains about it, why should they fix it? |
ONLY GAME IN TOWN
-- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:14:19 -0700, AKC owns this NG wrote:
Who Needs The ARRL? wrote: I'm surprised you found the news groups since you seem too stupid to understand that the ARRL does... -- Korbin Dallas The name was changed to protect the guilty. |
Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers
all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. Tim |
Who Needs The ARRL? wrote:
Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes, but I guess a troll wouldn't know that. |
Tim wrote:
Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. Tim Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you know they were chasing trucks? |
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"Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... Who Needs The ARRL? wrote: Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. You don't have to be an ARRL member to vote on proposed rule changes, but I guess a troll wouldn't know that. Read the post again, this time without moving your lips. Nowhere did it state that one must be an ARRL member in order to vote on proposed rule changes. |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Tim wrote: Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. Tim Have you seen it? How many? Where were they? What highway? How do you know they were chasing trucks? And whats the deal with 50 and 60 y.o. men anyhow? That's the age when people become president, move into the upper management positions, and generally run things.... sunnavagun! - Mike KB3EIA - |
james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim" wrote: +Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers +all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck +drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one +of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. + +Tim ****** Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care and how much mobility they have lost. james So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen? |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:47:32 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:
sunnavagun! - Mike KB3EIA - Wow. He has a copyright on "sunnavagun" I'll bet; or maybe a it's an obsession. Either way, he sure thinks he's being perspicacious while everyone else thinks he's being repetitious. Get a new word, Droid. |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim"
wrote: +Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers +all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck +drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one +of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. + +Tim ****** Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care and how much mobility they have lost. james |
running dogg wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: james wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim" wrote: +Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers +all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck +drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one +of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. + +Tim ****** Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care and how much mobility they have lost. james So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen? I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.) Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair). |
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
james wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim" wrote: +Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers +all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck +drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one +of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. + +Tim ****** Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care and how much mobility they have lost. james So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen? I, personally, would be bored silly-probably a main reason why I never felt motivated to become a ham. (I'm posting from rec.radio.shortwave.) ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
beerbarrel wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote: The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away with? Is that true? What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any solution at all? If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do best. Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL without having something better to replace it. The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's. |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:20:35 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote: +james wrote: + On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:54:46 -0400, "Tim" + wrote: + + ++Seeing 50 & 60 year old men paste "ARRL Member" stickers ++all over their cars, then go out on the highway and chase truck ++drivers around to see what frequency they are on, has got to one ++of the most hilarious things anyone has ever seen. ++ ++Tim + + ****** + + Better yet 4 older hams on a 2 meter repeater on a saturday morning + discribing their heart attacks. How long they were in intensive care + and how much mobility they have lost. + + james + +So did anyone hold a gun to you to make you listen? ******* No. I laughed through the whole thing. james |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey
wrote: +Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you +probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the +radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair). ***** Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way. I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to do myself. james |
james wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Cmd Buzz Corey wrote: +Well, if you were listening to something that boring to you, you +probably have enough sense to change to another repeater or turn the +radio off. James evidently can't do that. (I'm posting from my chair). ***** Actually found it boring and funny in a wierd way. I guess at 7:30 am while drinking my coffee, I had nothing better to do myself. james You must lead a boring life. |
Dave Holford wrote:
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. Double the 'frequency' ?? What do you expect from a cber? |
One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. Double the 'frequency' ?? |
"Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. Damn, and here I thought that the 20M band was at about half the frequency of the 10M band. Did those rascals at ARRL go and change that too? Where on the dial can I now find my 20M buddies, up in the old 5M band? I thought we'd lost that band way back in the 40's. dit dit de Hans, K0HB |
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John S. wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote: The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? So, what is your stance? Seems like you think they should be done away with? Is that true? What is your recommendation for a replacement? Do you have any solution at all? If you are not a part of the solution then you are part of the problem! I love folks that whine and cry. It is usually what they do best. Break Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL without having something better to replace it. The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's. and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them |
I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a
hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue for amateurs. "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote in message ... The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote:
The ARRL is not a necessary institution these days. It is self-propagating, demands hefty dues and represents less than half of the licensed Amateurs in the United States. Besides, what does one get for the $40.00 per annum (or is it more?) fee? A glossy magazine rife with advertisements? Admission to 'private' sections of the ARRL web site? A monthly 'bulletin' sent to your email address? (more spam) Oh, wait. ARRL members get to vote on proposed rule changes, too. As if the FCC has ever given that much credence. I guess there are still some old warhorses out and about who feel that it is a mark of distinction to have the ARRL logo on their QSL cards...especially those who boast of being part of the elite few, the proud, the Life Members. One could likewise spend their Amateur Radio $$ on bigger and better things, such as paying good money after bad to join the Ten Ten Club, yet another wasteful expenditure of hard-earned money. Why not start a Twenty-Twenty Club? One could double the dues paid to the Ten Ten Club and claim twice the elitism. The Twenty-Twenty Club could do as the Ten-Tenners do...refuse to speak with those not a member of their snooty group. Double the frequency, double the elitism. CQ Contest, anyone? Well, other than reading their website or using their books to pass an exam, I know little about them. But it seems they run the show, and are very powerful. Sometimes, they are better off having 2 of these type organizations. But one is better than none. Vinnie S. |
an_old_friend wrote: John S. wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote: Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL without having something better to replace it. The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's. and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to. Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members. The ARRL may (and should) **** off the complacent members who cling to the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required because the old-timers had to take them. |
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 03:15:47 GMT, RJ wrote:
I have again written to Headquarter regarding their stand on CC&R. I was a hot issue with them but now nothing but silence on this very important issue for amateurs. The only solution to that is to get The Congress to pass the bill that has been introduced three times to assert Federal jurisdiction and get the problem solved (I deal with CC&R cases professionally). The Congress stonewalls it every time. Few if any states even want to touch it. What do YOU suggest? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane |
Actually, you doped up drunk, it is a good thing. When a keyclown loses
his job cuz he is a keyclown then a step is taken toward overall keyclown eradication. |
He doesn't have a mom...the cocker spaniel who voided its' bowels to
create him got hit by a car. |
The original poster is jealous because they are heterosexual 50 and 60
year old men who won't bother with his wristflipping idiocy. |
"John S." wrote in message oups.com... an_old_friend wrote: John S. wrote: beerbarrel wrote: On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 00:27:25 -0500, "Who Needs The ARRL?" JIm@GuessWho wrote: Imperfect though it is, the ARRL is the only voice the ham hobby has these days. It would be a very poor idea to do away with the ARRL without having something better to replace it. The ARRL does need to refocus it's efforts toward attracting newer younger members to the hobby if it is to survive long term. The hobby won't survive if its quasi-regulator continues to do treat amateur radio as though it operates in the heyday that was the 1950's. and it needs to avoid ****ing those folks as it reaches out to them I doubt that the ARRL will **** off the folks that it reaches out to. Sadly it will probably continue to bore those potential new members. The ARRL may (and should) **** off the complacent members who cling to the idea that out of date license tests should continue to be required because the old-timers had to take them. Are you suggesting there should not be any testing? Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:03:35 -0400, beerbarrel
wrote: Agreed 110%...but most posts that you see are about the problems with ARRL. I realize that it has problems, but it would be best to see these folks directing their attention at rectifying the situation. Bottom line, it's all we got. If it's broke, let's fix it. .... or replace it. |
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