"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.

Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.

NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.

Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.

Yes............

investigations cost money.

Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!

Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.

For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham

The Magnum wrote:

oh my a post in which with ervery word of yours
"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.

Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.

NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.

Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.

Yes............

investigations cost money.

Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!

Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.

For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham

"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

"zarPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt
want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt.
Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also" to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.

Regards,
Graham

"The Magnum" wrote:


"zarPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt
want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt.
Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also" to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.


IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her

"zYYPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:


"zarPK"


rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who
doesnt
want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond
contempt.
Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands
who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who
seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags
in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also"
to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.


IT IS MY OPINION THAT...
theres a difference between
a cb'er who choses to join and amateur radio to improve his/her knowledge
and capability with radio
and
a cb'er who choses to invade amateur bands just to have extra bands to
play with and brings his/her 11m habits with him/her


Yes, I agree with you whole heartedly but many older Hams refer to "both" as
simply CB'ers. This "will" upset genuine CB radio operators, and those who
did advance to Amateur from CB, as many full licence Hams dont seem able to
distinguish between the two, or dont want to distinguish... thats the
problem.
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.
Regards,
Graham

In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.

Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure that
the equipment is disabled.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

"see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm"
wrote in message ...
In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum
wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on
Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they
are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck
all
the time.

Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure
that
the equipment is disabled.
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

Maybe not to the point of disconnecting his/her equipment but at least
bringing up their kids to be respectful of things. I would personally put a
lock on the "shack" door so I could secure the room but some people have
them in their living room so sometimes I guess its asking for trouble. My CB
is in my office and also one in my repair "shack" and when I go out I make
sure both are locked. If I can do it for CB why cant they do it with their
Amateur kit... which is far more valuable in any case. Mind you, some adults
cant even be arsed to secure their guns but thats a different story.......
Regards,
Graham

see sea oh ecks at you aitch see dot comm wrote:
In uk.radio.amateur The Magnum wrote:
Also the point still stands that a few, if not lot of problems on Amateur
bands could be down to kids going on their parents equipment while they are
out. There are lots of possibilitys but the CB'er gets it in the neck all
the time.

Whish is firmly where the responsibility is meant to lay. The Licensee is
the one responsible for the correct operation of his station at all times.
If he is not physically present, it is his/her responsibilty to ensure that
the equipment is disabled.

not exactly or only in theory the Ham is responible for the use of his
equipement, but when was the last time the FCC tried to bust a ham for
say someone breaking into his car and using the equipment

In addition some modes can be used without the ham being present at
all

My car for example will transmit an APRS signal at intervals anytime
the engine is running, unless I turn it off each time I turn on the
engine. This allows me to kow where the body thing is if my old man
calls back to house and tells me he is lost, or if I found the car
missing and knew none of had it I could tell the cops where to go find
the theives
--
Chris Cox, N0UK/G4JEC NIC Handle: CC345
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

You know what? I can't copy CW as fast as I used to either. I got into
radio before some of you was born.