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How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons.
Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:27 -0600, "Clark" wrote:
How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. just trying to stir up trouble _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:54 -0600, "DrDeath"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:27 -0600, "Clark" wrote: How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. just trying to stir up trouble Sounds like he's on topic to me. Looks like your the troller. not to me looks like he wants to sart a fight flaming over soldier irons if that is ontopic _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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"Clark" wrote in message
... How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. They show them soldering an IC. I don't think the IC would like that. |
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... On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:27 -0600, "Clark" wrote: How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. just trying to stir up trouble Sounds like he's on topic to me. Looks like your the troller. |
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How do you star a flame war on soldering irons?
With a butane powered iron? |
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They are not that good. A friend broke a tip already. They have a
double, very fragile tip and you have to bridge the two with metal to make the connection. Homer |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:52:04 -0500, Scott in Baltimore
wrote: How do you star a flame war on soldering irons? With a butane powered iron? I guess you can ! Vinnie S. |
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Yeah, and watch out for the freezer burns if you touch the tip....man do
they sting!. I see you've got the double tip job, left hand screw right tip and the right hand screw left tip!, excellent. Did you also purchase the liquid nitrogen cored solder? I hear there's a special offer on it just now with a price freeze nationwide. Duhnse |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:52:04 -0500, Scott in Baltimore
wrote: How do you star a flame war on soldering irons? With a butane powered iron? With a propane torch? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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... On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:36:54 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:27 -0600, "Clark" wrote: How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. just trying to stir up trouble Sounds like he's on topic to me. Looks like your the troller. not to me looks like he wants to sart a fight flaming over soldier irons if that is ontopic There was no flame on his part, just an opinion. Soldering irons and other tools are on topic with this group. Has he brought it up in alt.sex.gangbangs, I could see you having a beef with that. |
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Depends what you're soldering... for very small low mass jobs... that
cool heat soldering iron might be fine. For electronics work... probably not very useful. Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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I did and every time I needed it for what IT IS, it worked very well.
Still using the same batteries it came with. At least a year now. Used it about 6 times in situations that required a device as it is advertised. The2x4 "Clark" wrote in message ... How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely good for one PL259 soldering job. |
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How many watts is one of these things equal to?
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"Programbo" wrote in message oups.com... How many watts is one of these things equal to? You want that in "Bird" watts? |
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LOL... think you've exposed the root problem here. That thing couldn't
be anywhere near the power of a regular soldering iron in the 30-50W range. Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 23:05:27 -0600, "Clark" wrote:
+How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering irons. +Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most likely +good for one PL259 soldering job. + ****** That type of soldering iron is not intended for that kind of use. Instead it is actually a good iron for small surface area heating and even surface mounted parts. Alkaline AA batteries are rated between 1600 to 1900 milliamp/hour. james |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:33 -0600, "DrDeath"
wrote: +"Clark" wrote in message ... + How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering + irons. + Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most + likely + good for one PL259 soldering job. + + + +They show them soldering an IC. I don't think the IC would like that. + ******** Most ICs are tolerent to 400 degrees celsius for up to 10 seconds when heat is applied to the pin. In IR assited reflow ovens, most components on the board are subject to 275 degree C heat upwards of 45 to 90 seconds. Total reflow process time for surface mounted components in a reflow oven is between 5 and 7 minutes. Most of that will determine the pallete material that act as carrier for the PCBs. FR4/5 laminate material will withstand heat around 300 degrees C for 7 to 10 minutes without discoloration or delamination. james |
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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:15:49 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On 10 Jan 2006 10:34:14 -0800, "Professor" wrote: + +Depends what you're soldering... for very small low mass jobs... that +cool heat soldering iron might be fine. For electronics work... +probably not very useful. + +Professor +www.telstar-electronics.com + +You wouldn't want to use it on Electronics, IC's and such, since the +tip isn't grounded. ****** Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive parts. james |
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Well... you guys can play around with your little toy soldering iron.
I'll continue to use my http://www.hexaconelectric.com/thermo.html Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static
senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive parts. I use a 12 VDC iron plugged into a 13.8 V ps for sensitive stuff. |
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"james" wrote in message
... On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:33 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: +"Clark" wrote in message ... + How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering + irons. + Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most + likely + good for one PL259 soldering job. + + + +They show them soldering an IC. I don't think the IC would like that. + ******** Most ICs are tolerent to 400 degrees celsius for up to 10 seconds when heat is applied to the pin. In IR assited reflow ovens, most components on the board are subject to 275 degree C heat upwards of 45 to 90 seconds. Total reflow process time for surface mounted components in a reflow oven is between 5 and 7 minutes. Most of that will determine the pallete material that act as carrier for the PCBs. FR4/5 laminate material will withstand heat around 300 degrees C for 7 to 10 minutes without discoloration or delamination. james I haven't had a chance to see one in person. But from the commercial, it appears to look like an arc. That can't be good for sensitive electronics. I think I'll stick to my Hakko or my butane until I've had a chance to use one. |
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"Lancer" wrote in message
news:43c7a6c4.83866046@2355323778... On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:07:17 -0500, Scott in Baltimore wrote: Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive parts. I use a 12 VDC iron plugged into a 13.8 V ps for sensitive stuff. Scott; Its not the power it runs on, its the difference in potential between the tip and the device your soldering. If the tips not at the same potential (I.E. static) you can damage the component. But you can ground yourself to the project at hand and use a butane iron. |
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DrDeath wrote:
"Lancer" wrote in message news:43c7a6c4.83866046@2355323778... On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:07:17 -0500, Scott in Baltimore wrote: Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive parts. I use a 12 VDC iron plugged into a 13.8 V ps for sensitive stuff. Scott; Its not the power it runs on, its the difference in potential between the tip and the device your soldering. If the tips not at the same potential (I.E. static) you can damage the component. But you can ground yourself to the project at hand and use a butane iron. I never saw Lancer's post. Glad you quoted it. I have another iron that's AC. I connected a wire to the heater's frame and run that to the screw on the outlet. It drops the 40 volts leakage to about 1 or 2 volts. Make sure the item is unplugged that you're working on! There should be a resistor between the frame and the ground to prevent mucho current from flowing. There are 1Mohm resistors in a grounding strap to limit current way below 100 mA if you should touch a 120 VAC line while grounded. |
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All that thing is two pieces of carbon conduction elements that uses the
piece that needs soldering as the circuit short causing the heat, there is 6 volts DC between the two ends. Oh by the way, the tip does get HOT and will burn the **** out of you after soldering for 5 seconds., even after 20 seconds of cooling off. In the commercial it shows a guy touching the tip right after using it. His fingers must have been soaked in cold water first. "Professor" wrote in message oups.com... Well... you guys can play around with your little toy soldering iron. I'll continue to use my http://www.hexaconelectric.com/thermo.html Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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Thanks for the info about the carbon tips. Very simple indeed...
problem is... doesn't work very well... LOL Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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Lancer wrote:
How do you ground Butane...:-) On a spit rotisserie? |
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"Lancer" wrote in message
news:ccu8s197974f7ine2st9hbev58bs0j25ce@2355323778 ... On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:50:30 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: "Lancer" wrote in message news:43c7a6c4.83866046@2355323778... On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:07:17 -0500, Scott in Baltimore wrote: Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive parts. I use a 12 VDC iron plugged into a 13.8 V ps for sensitive stuff. Scott; Its not the power it runs on, its the difference in potential between the tip and the device your soldering. If the tips not at the same potential (I.E. static) you can damage the component. But you can ground yourself to the project at hand and use a butane iron. As long as everything is at the same potential... How do you ground Butane...:-) I sell butane grounding equipment for the measly price of 4 payments of 99.95 make checks and M.O. to cash. LOL |
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"DrDeath" wrote:
I sell butane grounding equipment for the measly price of 4 payments of 99.95 make checks and M.O. to cash. LOL Hook me up! lol |
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"Professor" wrote in message oups.com... Well... you guys can play around with your little toy soldering iron. I'll continue to use my http://www.hexaconelectric.com/thermo.html Not bad, but I like mine better... XyTronic XY26-60D. An older model that looks exactly like this unit http://www.xytronic-usa.com/960a_index.htm#esd, aside from a color difference... Same specs... |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:47:49 -0600, "DrDeath"
wrote: +"james" wrote in message ... + On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:33 -0600, "DrDeath" + wrote: + ++"Clark" wrote in message ... ++ How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering ++ irons. ++ Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most ++ likely ++ good for one PL259 soldering job. ++ ++ ++ ++They show them soldering an IC. I don't think the IC would like that. ++ + ******** + + Most ICs are tolerent to 400 degrees celsius for up to 10 seconds when + heat is applied to the pin. In IR assited reflow ovens, most + components on the board are subject to 275 degree C heat upwards of 45 + to 90 seconds. Total reflow process time for surface mounted + components in a reflow oven is between 5 and 7 minutes. Most of that + will determine the pallete material that act as carrier for the PCBs. + + FR4/5 laminate material will withstand heat around 300 degrees C for 7 + to 10 minutes without discoloration or delamination. + + + james + + +I haven't had a chance to see one in person. But from the commercial, it +appears to look like an arc. That can't be good for sensitive electronics. I +think I'll stick to my Hakko or my butane until I've had a chance to use +one. + ***** No it is not an arc. One possibility is a conductive ceraminc alloy. That would at least explain the rapid heat and cool down periods. There are ceramics that can conduct and dissapate heat rather rapidly. As for the Hakko, the hot air Hakko reflow units are real good for surface mount devices. The only other item that I found better for large ICs, 208 pin TQFPs is a hot plate. james |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:12:19 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:07:17 -0500, Scott in Baltimore wrote: + + Actually cordless soldering irons are preffered in small static + senesitive areas. Larger wattage irons that are plugged into AC + outlets can do more damage than cordless irons with static sensitive + parts. + +I use a 12 VDC iron plugged into a 13.8 V ps for sensitive stuff. + +Scott; + Its not the power it runs on, its the difference in potential +between the tip and the device your soldering. If the tips not at the +same potential (I.E. static) you can damage the component. **** If you are working on a static free surface it really does not matter which iron you use. The most refered is hot air tools to remove static parts. Hakko makes one as well as many others. james |
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On 12 Jan 2006 10:32:57 -0800, "Professor"
wrote: +Well... you guys can play around with your little toy soldering iron. +I'll continue to use my http://www.hexaconelectric.com/thermo.html + +Professor +www.telstar-electronics.com ****** FOr most surface mounted work I prefer a hot plate. Cheaper than hot air rework stations and just as reliable. james |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:51:25 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:12:48 GMT, james wrote: + +On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:47:49 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: + ++"james" wrote in message ++news:dfucs1ptthup70hipg899p0rfmdjkqcf8g@4ax .com... ++ On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 00:34:33 -0600, "DrDeath" ++ wrote: ++ +++"Clark" wrote in message ... +++ How many of you have rushed out to get one of the Cold/Heat soldering +++ irons. +++ Runs off of 4 AA batteries WOW! allot of energy in those babies, most +++ likely +++ good for one PL259 soldering job. +++ +++ +++ +++They show them soldering an IC. I don't think the IC would like that. +++ ++ ******** ++ ++ Most ICs are tolerent to 400 degrees celsius for up to 10 seconds when ++ heat is applied to the pin. In IR assited reflow ovens, most ++ components on the board are subject to 275 degree C heat upwards of 45 ++ to 90 seconds. Total reflow process time for surface mounted ++ components in a reflow oven is between 5 and 7 minutes. Most of that ++ will determine the pallete material that act as carrier for the PCBs. ++ ++ FR4/5 laminate material will withstand heat around 300 degrees C for 7 ++ to 10 minutes without discoloration or delamination. ++ ++ ++ james ++ ++ ++I haven't had a chance to see one in person. But from the commercial, it ++appears to look like an arc. That can't be good for sensitive electronics. I ++think I'll stick to my Hakko or my butane until I've had a chance to use ++one. ++ +***** + +No it is not an arc. One possibility is a conductive ceraminc alloy. +That would at least explain the rapid heat and cool down periods. +There are ceramics that can conduct and dissapate heat rather rapidly. + +Yes it is an arc, I have one. + + +As for the Hakko, the hot air Hakko reflow units are real good for +surface mount devices. The only other item that I found better for +large ICs, 208 pin TQFPs is a hot plate. + + +james + +Even with a hot plate, you still need hot air on top on the desired +component. Or are you planning on removing all the componets? My hot +plate is set to just below the temperature that the solder will flow. +A quic k blast of hot air to remove the component. ***** I have used a hot plate exclusively. No hot air assist. There is no problem with the reheat. The board is on the hot plate and off in one to two minutes max. I have even reflowed BGA chips with little difficulty and no loss of reliability. james |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:46:25 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+Thats total bull****...What happens if your tip has a 1,000 of static +on it? ESD control is supposed to eliminate the difference in +potential. ANSI ESD standards state that "everything should be at the +same potential" That means the operator or person, all test equipment +and irons. Why don't you do a search on ANSI ESD standards and find +out for yourself... You are cluesless about ESD... **** IF you are properly grounded, once you grab the handle of the soldering iron it will within seconds no longer be at 1000 volts potential. Maybe you should also read your Ansi Standards a bit more and understand static prevention. Once you are grounded touching any other ungrounded object will dissapate the charge built in it. That charge will drain through your body to ground within a very short period. Besides most ICs can shrug off 1KV with no damage. It is neat to see what a 15KV jolt does to the poly layers and the protective zeners on an IC. If you ever get a chance to do some electron scanning of static damage to the die pad area of an IC, do so. It is a really neat to see what 15KV can do. james |
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:53:22 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:17:57 GMT, james wrote: + +On 12 Jan 2006 10:32:57 -0800, "Professor" wrote: + ++Well... you guys can play around with your little toy soldering iron. ++I'll continue to use my http://www.hexaconelectric.com/thermo.html ++ ++Professor ++www.telstar-electronics.com +****** + +FOr most surface mounted work I prefer a hot plate. Cheaper than hot +air rework stations and just as reliable. + +james + +Is that a George Foreman hot plate? + ***** Actually one that is generally used in a chemistry lab. 4 inch square top surface or even a 3 inch diameter round will do nicely on small PCBs that are about 2 - 4 square inches. Oh it also is nice to place the PCB on a alumina ceramic plate about 100 mils think which sits on top of the hot plate. Makes a nice smooth surface to slide the PCB off after heating it. A second ceramic plate is nice to slide the PCB on to let is cool down on. james |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:27:51 GMT, james wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:46:25 GMT, Lancer wrote: +Thats total bull****...What happens if your tip has a 1,000 of static +on it? ESD control is supposed to eliminate the difference in +potential. ANSI ESD standards state that "everything should be at the +same potential" That means the operator or person, all test equipment +and irons. Why don't you do a search on ANSI ESD standards and find +out for yourself... You are cluesless about ESD... **** IF you are properly grounded, once you grab the handle of the soldering iron it will within seconds no longer be at 1000 volts potential. Maybe you should also read your Ansi Standards a bit more and understand static prevention. Once you are grounded touching any other ungrounded object will dissapate the charge built in it. That charge will drain through your body to ground within a very short period. Besides most ICs can shrug off 1KV with no damage. It is neat to see what a 15KV jolt does to the poly layers and the protective zeners on an IC. If you ever get a chance to do some electron scanning of static damage to the die pad area of an IC, do so. It is a really neat to see what 15KV can do. james you evidently have never worked for a large company such as Northern Telecom. If you mentioned you understanding of ESD during an interview they would laugh you out the door. You are 30 years behind in your ESD knowledge. |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:26:35 GMT, gwb wrote:
+On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 03:27:51 GMT, james wrote: + +On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:46:25 GMT, Lancer wrote: + ++Thats total bull****...What happens if your tip has a 1,000 of static ++on it? ESD control is supposed to eliminate the difference in ++potential. ANSI ESD standards state that "everything should be at the ++same potential" That means the operator or person, all test equipment ++and irons. Why don't you do a search on ANSI ESD standards and find ++out for yourself... You are cluesless about ESD... +**** + +IF you are properly grounded, once you grab the handle of the +soldering iron it will within seconds no longer be at 1000 volts +potential. Maybe you should also read your Ansi Standards a bit more +and understand static prevention. Once you are grounded touching any +other ungrounded object will dissapate the charge built in it. That +charge will drain through your body to ground within a very short +period. + +Besides most ICs can shrug off 1KV with no damage. It is neat to see +what a 15KV jolt does to the poly layers and the protective zeners on +an IC. If you ever get a chance to do some electron scanning of static +damage to the die pad area of an IC, do so. It is a really neat to see +what 15KV can do. + +james + +you evidently have never worked for a large company such as Northern +Telecom. If you mentioned you understanding of ESD during an +interview they would laugh you out the door. You are 30 years behind +in your ESD knowledge. ****** Actually more like four or five years behind. I will admit that I am not fully abreast on the 1999 ANSI standards. Son I have worked in enough ESD sensitive areas for the better part of 23 yrs. You and others are very good in quoting standards, but have really failed to understand what ESD is, how it generates and what is needed to combat ESD. Various areas of the US is far more suspectable to ESD than other areas of the US. Cold dry areas are more susceptable tham humid and warmer areas. My knowledge of ESD is good enough that I do not have to worry if I ever decided to work for a large corporation again. james |
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