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On a sunny day (Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:49:47 -0600) it happened "Dr.Death"
wrote in :

Cool. I collect the CPU fans. I have one bolted to the back of my 148 to
keep the output transistors cool. I'm trying to think of a good spot to
mount a pair to my 2 pill without the blades interfering.

Yep, I have a copper silent socket A cooler on my Ranger 2970.

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:

What's with Windows 98SE?

Either he likes unstable operating systems, needs to able to
directly access the hardware with old programs or he doesn't
have a copy of Windows 2000. A lot of old games didn't run
under 2000 either. All hardware and memory calls need permission
from the OS under NT/2000/XP.

So why not Linux instead? It's not like you can't emulate Windows for the
few things that don't have Linux equivalents.

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Dr.Death wrote:

My heat sink fins are three inches deep. I'm thinking that I can take my
dremel and cut into the fins so the fan or fans will be inset and out of
harms way while still protecting the unit.

Bad plan. Heat sinks depend on surface area to dissipate heat. They put
fins on them to increase the amount of surface area. Cutting up your heat
sink, thus reducing the surface area, will make your heat problem much
worse instead of better.

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Diamond Dave wrote:

On some machines it did, if it worked well on the machines you have it was
very stable but still a PITA to network.

It's not a machine-dependent problem. Windows 9x did not have any memory
protection whatsoever, so any program could accidently overwrite any other
program, including the OS, in memory. Combine this with the lack of
testing endemic in Windows software, and the DLL hell from lack of decent
shared object management, and you get the infamously unstable Windows.

At least shared object management has gotten *slightly* better in Windows
over time, and WinNT/00/XP has (incompetent) memory protection, so it's not
as bad as it used to be. However, it still can't hold a flame to the
various unix variants (MacOS X, Linux, etc) for reliability and ease of
maintainability over time...

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Steveo wrote:

Who's got the bootleg?

Why, when you can go legal for free?
http://debian.org/

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Steveo wrote:

Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Wassup with that new one they're about to spring on us is the real
question?

I need a new install on this machine anyway.

Who's got the bootleg?

Of what? 98 W2K or XP. Pro is the better version.

NO! Windoze has a brand spankin' new OS that's about to be introduced and
I can't remember the name of it.

It's not about to be introduced. It's called Vista, and if it's coming out
this decade, it's looking like late 2007. The reason I say "If" is because
out here in the pacific northwest, there are rumors that the Xbox, Windows
and Office teams are considering going on strike.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
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Dr.Death wrote:

My heat sink fins are three inches deep. I'm thinking that I can take my
dremel and cut into the fins so the fan or fans will be inset and out of
harms way while still protecting the unit.

Bad plan. Heat sinks depend on surface area to dissipate heat. They put
fins on them to increase the amount of surface area. Cutting up your heat
sink, thus reducing the surface area, will make your heat problem much
worse instead of better.

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Good point. Maybe put it in one side of the case and drill holes on the
other and have a cross wind over the pills.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Steveo wrote:

Who's got the bootleg?

Why, when you can go legal for free?
http://debian.org/


Riiiiight! And spend all your time chasing drivers or equipment that WILL
work with Linux.

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Dr.Death wrote:

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Dr.Death wrote:

My heat sink fins are three inches deep. I'm thinking that I can take my
dremel and cut into the fins so the fan or fans will be inset and out of
harms way while still protecting the unit.

Bad plan. Heat sinks depend on surface area to dissipate heat. They put
fins on them to increase the amount of surface area. Cutting up your
heat sink, thus reducing the surface area, will make your heat problem
much worse instead of better.
Good point. Maybe put it in one side of the case and drill holes on the
other and have a cross wind over the pills.

You might try doing what computer manufacturers do and look for heat sinks
to put directly on the ceramic IC package. An easier idea would be to go
hit a PC component place for an appropriate sized cooling fan to install
with screws straight into the top of the heatsink fins (a-la CPU heatsink)
to force air into it.

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You might try doing what computer manufacturers do and look for heat sinks
to put directly on the ceramic IC package. An easier idea would be to go
hit a PC component place for an appropriate sized cooling fan to install
with screws straight into the top of the heatsink fins (a-la CPU heatsink)
to force air into it.

Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Too many radios?
 

Scott in Baltimore wrote:

You might try doing what computer manufacturers do and look for heat
sinks
to put directly on the ceramic IC package. An easier idea would be to go
hit a PC component place for an appropriate sized cooling fan to install
with screws straight into the top of the heatsink fins (a-la CPU
heatsink) to force air into it.

Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

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U-Know-Who wrote:


"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Steveo wrote:

Who's got the bootleg?

Why, when you can go legal for free?
http://debian.org/


Riiiiight! And spend all your time chasing drivers or equipment that WILL
work with Linux.

Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

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Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

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"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
. ..
You've gotta' see this!!!

http://members.cox.net/wa6mhz/

Doood, you think he has a Cobra 29? :) :) :)

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"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
. ..
Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug
it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

I wouldn't go that far, I have a 3 button Logitech trackball that I can't
use under XP. I also have an external DVD-RW that when connected kills my
CD-RW.

Too many radios?
 

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

I wouldn't go that far, I have a 3 button Logitech trackball that I can't
use under XP. I also have an external DVD-RW that when connected kills my
CD-RW.

I've got boxes of old stuff and XP knew what it all was without
needing to find drivers. Of course XP Home ****ed me off when it
wanted to reactive after a week of testing hardware. Too many
changes for it's device hash to match anymore. I went back to
W2K. My XP Pro still thinks it has a valid SN, but home gets
changed with SP2.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:

You might try doing what computer manufacturers do and look for heat
sinks
to put directly on the ceramic IC package. An easier idea would be to
go
hit a PC component place for an appropriate sized cooling fan to install
with screws straight into the top of the heatsink fins (a-la CPU
heatsink) to force air into it.

Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

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That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom. That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure I
can mount them without shorting anything out.

Too many radios?
 

That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom. That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure I
can mount them without shorting anything out.

There is a much better heat transfer from the metal base then
blowing air over the white cap. Just blow air INTO the fins.

Do you feel cooler sitting in front of a fan or behind it?

Too many radios?
 

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
...
NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

I wouldn't go that far, I have a 3 button Logitech trackball that I can't
use under XP. I also have an external DVD-RW that when connected kills my
CD-RW.

I've got boxes of old stuff and XP knew what it all was without
needing to find drivers. Of course XP Home ****ed me off when it
wanted to reactive after a week of testing hardware. Too many
changes for it's device hash to match anymore. I went back to
W2K. My XP Pro still thinks it has a valid SN, but home gets
changed with SP2.

My first attempt at installing SP2 resulted in disaster. This was made more
complicated as my wife uses this PC for collage. Needless to say, I had to
pull an all nighter getting it back to a usable state.

Too many radios?
 

"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
...
That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom. That's why I thought about insetting then
into the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU
heatsink directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to
make sure I can mount them without shorting anything out.

There is a much better heat transfer from the metal base then
blowing air over the white cap. Just blow air INTO the fins.

Do you feel cooler sitting in front of a fan or behind it?

Very good point.

Too many radios?
 

My first attempt at installing SP2 resulted in disaster. This was made more
complicated as my wife uses this PC for collage. Needless to say, I had to
pull an all nighter getting it back to a usable state.

I've always installed, activated the ran the network admin version
of SP2. That's the one that's 266MB. I also install MP10 from disk.
Then I go to windowsupdate.microsoft.com and get finished updating.

I also install DirectX9.0C from disk before hitting WU. BTW, there
is now a new version of DirectX. It's a SDK. I needed that to install
video Skype on W2K.

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Dr.Death wrote:

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom.

Unfortunately with heatsinks and adding fans, you can't have your cake and
eat it too if the manufacturer of the heatsink didn't cast it with
installing a fan in mind. The best you can do is get a fan whose frame is
as close to the size of the heatsink's footprint as possible and screw it
into the fins.

That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure
I can mount them without shorting anything out.

Don't jury rig your cooling, do it right. You're probably going to have to
custom-order the heatsinks to be the right size for your application.

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug
it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

2000 and XP *is* NT (and even Windows itself in the registry and some other
places refer to those versions as NT5 and NT6 respectively). And no, it
doesn't know all the hardware. If I plug something in with Windows, I've
only got about a 1 in 3 chance of it working, and even less if the machine
is not online and can't hit Windows Update to find a driver. And even at
that point, there's probably some finagling involved to make it work as
advertised or securely (well, as securely as Windows can do anything, and
keeping Windows secure is a fulltime job in itself...).

Debian works spot on on the first try for the vast majority of hardware it
supports, without going through driver hell. Plug, and you're done.

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Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Of course XP Home ****ed me off when it wanted to reactive after a week of
testing hardware.

Gah, I have that problem in Pro at work from time to time if I have to
upgrade a system too much. I can't imagine what would posses them to
implement such a draconian enforcement strategy unless they have zero
respect for their paying customers.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message


Another Canadian bear that thinks his way is the only way.

Too many radios?
 

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:

Or not. I can go into any store and pick out almost any hardware, plug
it
in, and it Just Works(tm). No screwing around with chasing down
drivers:
It either Just Works(tm), or rarely, Just Doesn't. I'm an NT
administrator: It's a pain in the ass to get hardware to work under
windows compared to Linux these days.

NT is old stuff. 2000 works great and XP knows all the hardware.

2000 and XP *is* NT (and even Windows itself in the registry and some
other
places refer to those versions as NT5 and NT6 respectively). And no, it
doesn't know all the hardware. If I plug something in with Windows, I've
only got about a 1 in 3 chance of it working, and even less if the machine
is not online and can't hit Windows Update to find a driver. And even at
that point, there's probably some finagling involved to make it work as
advertised or securely (well, as securely as Windows can do anything, and
keeping Windows secure is a fulltime job in itself...).

Debian works spot on on the first try for the vast majority of hardware it
supports, without going through driver hell. Plug, and you're done.

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Even with Microsoft's own products I have problems with installation. I have
a Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse that I cannot get to work properly.
The keyboard will work but the mouse is sporadic at best.

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"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Dr.Death wrote:

"Paul Johnson" wrote in message
...
Scott in Baltimore wrote:
Like in my picture, http://www.geocities.com/scott_unit_69/fans.JPG
where the air is being blown into the fins to draw heat out quickly.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about there.

That's what I want to do only using CPU fans, but I don't want them
protruding from the bottom.

Unfortunately with heatsinks and adding fans, you can't have your cake and
eat it too if the manufacturer of the heatsink didn't cast it with
installing a fan in mind. The best you can do is get a fan whose frame is
as close to the size of the heatsink's footprint as possible and screw it
into the fins.

That's why I thought about insetting then into
the heatsink. I think I may be able to mount them with the CPU heatsink
directly to the pills, but I would need to do some measuring to make sure
I can mount them without shorting anything out.

Don't jury rig your cooling, do it right. You're probably going to have
to
custom-order the heatsinks to be the right size for your application.

--
Paul Johnson

Actually it is an EB63 that I built and the heat sink I used is massive.
Looks like the one Texas Star uses on their 667. I have been considering
cutting it in half, that's why I was considering the cooling fans. I think
I'll just let it be for now as I have other projects on the burner.

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"Scott in Baltimore" wrote in message
. ..
"Paul Johnson" wrote in message


Another Canadian bear that thinks his way is the only way.

Did they ever send back the person who was in the military but didn't want
to go to Iraq? I never did hear if they granted him asylum or not.