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Bill Frovik n0mnb August 3rd 03 05:54 AM

go for it. as long as u share your info and results with the ham
community..and it wouldn't hurt to get ur ticket..
73's de n0mnb
"Leo Szumel" wrote in message
...
Hi,

What we'd like to do is use amateur radio for some university research
projects. Specifically, we would like to use AR equipment in sensor
network research. Sensor networks are basically like APRS without people
at the transmit nodes, and more than just position information is
reported (maybe temperature, etc). Also, multi-hop relay may be employed.

I've examined Part 97 rules and tried to read as many applicable threads
as possible. My interpretation is that:

(a) automated transmissions are OK (with caveats)
(b) AR can be used for educational (non-commercial) purposes
(c) AR can be used for data transmissions, using encrypted
authentication, provided the data payload is unencrypted

Part (b) is the most shaky becaues it seems to dependon "reasonable use"
and other gray terms. Certainly my proposed use is not "hobby" but it
seems to me to fall into the category of "experimentation" and
(hopefully) "advancing the field."

What do you think of using AR bands for relaying sensor information for
research purposes? Would an FCC Special Temporary Authority be
appropriate/required?

Sincerely,

--
Leo Szumel | ECE Graduate Student, UC Davis
Email:




WB3FUP \(Mike Hall\) August 3rd 03 03:02 PM

I believe that you have to have a properly
licensed control operator, at a control point, for
any transmission made on amateur radio except in
the case of emergency. Emergency is further
defined as threat to life and property.

I have, on various boy scout camporees, place a
two meter, rock controlled radio, set on 52, in
the disaster sight. The boys were on there own,
but there was always someone with a stronger
radio, close at hand, to monitor, w/o the boys
realizing it. Never had a problem, and did some
sole searching about definition of control point.
Decided that the stretch, if any was worth it, and
I was willing to defend my decision if necessary.

--
73 es cul

wb3fup
a Salty Bear

"Bill Frovik n0mnb" wrote in
message ...
go for it. as long as u share your info and

results with the ham
community..and it wouldn't hurt to get ur

ticket..
73's de n0mnb
"Leo Szumel"

wrote in message
...
Hi,

What we'd like to do is use amateur radio for

some university research
projects. Specifically, we would like to use

AR equipment in sensor
network research. Sensor networks are

basically like APRS without people
at the transmit nodes, and more than just

position information is
reported (maybe temperature, etc). Also,

multi-hop relay may be employed.

I've examined Part 97 rules and tried to read

as many applicable threads
as possible. My interpretation is that:

(a) automated transmissions are OK (with

caveats)
(b) AR can be used for educational

(non-commercial) purposes
(c) AR can be used for data transmissions,

using encrypted
authentication, provided the data payload is

unencrypted

Part (b) is the most shaky becaues it seems to

dependon "reasonable use"
and other gray terms. Certainly my proposed

use is not "hobby" but it
seems to me to fall into the category of

"experimentation" and
(hopefully) "advancing the field."

What do you think of using AR bands for

relaying sensor information for
research purposes? Would an FCC Special

Temporary Authority be
appropriate/required?

Sincerely,

--
Leo Szumel | ECE Graduate Student, UC Davis
Email:






WB3FUP \(Mike Hall\) August 3rd 03 03:02 PM

I believe that you have to have a properly
licensed control operator, at a control point, for
any transmission made on amateur radio except in
the case of emergency. Emergency is further
defined as threat to life and property.

I have, on various boy scout camporees, place a
two meter, rock controlled radio, set on 52, in
the disaster sight. The boys were on there own,
but there was always someone with a stronger
radio, close at hand, to monitor, w/o the boys
realizing it. Never had a problem, and did some
sole searching about definition of control point.
Decided that the stretch, if any was worth it, and
I was willing to defend my decision if necessary.

--
73 es cul

wb3fup
a Salty Bear

"Bill Frovik n0mnb" wrote in
message ...
go for it. as long as u share your info and

results with the ham
community..and it wouldn't hurt to get ur

ticket..
73's de n0mnb
"Leo Szumel"

wrote in message
...
Hi,

What we'd like to do is use amateur radio for

some university research
projects. Specifically, we would like to use

AR equipment in sensor
network research. Sensor networks are

basically like APRS without people
at the transmit nodes, and more than just

position information is
reported (maybe temperature, etc). Also,

multi-hop relay may be employed.

I've examined Part 97 rules and tried to read

as many applicable threads
as possible. My interpretation is that:

(a) automated transmissions are OK (with

caveats)
(b) AR can be used for educational

(non-commercial) purposes
(c) AR can be used for data transmissions,

using encrypted
authentication, provided the data payload is

unencrypted

Part (b) is the most shaky becaues it seems to

dependon "reasonable use"
and other gray terms. Certainly my proposed

use is not "hobby" but it
seems to me to fall into the category of

"experimentation" and
(hopefully) "advancing the field."

What do you think of using AR bands for

relaying sensor information for
research purposes? Would an FCC Special

Temporary Authority be
appropriate/required?

Sincerely,

--
Leo Szumel | ECE Graduate Student, UC Davis
Email:






Phil Kane August 3rd 03 04:06 PM

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:54:02 -0500, Bill Frovik n0mnb wrote:

go for it. as long as u share your info and results with the ham
community..and it wouldn't hurt to get ur ticket..
73's de n0mnb


Leo and I kicked this around in private e-mail, and because of lots
of facts that you don't know, the use of amateur radio for this
project is NOT proper.

Gotta' know the whole story before you dispense quasi-legal
advice.....especially when said advice is incorrect.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Principal Attorney
Communications Law Center
San Francisco, CA



Phil Kane August 3rd 03 04:06 PM

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:54:02 -0500, Bill Frovik n0mnb wrote:

go for it. as long as u share your info and results with the ham
community..and it wouldn't hurt to get ur ticket..
73's de n0mnb


Leo and I kicked this around in private e-mail, and because of lots
of facts that you don't know, the use of amateur radio for this
project is NOT proper.

Gotta' know the whole story before you dispense quasi-legal
advice.....especially when said advice is incorrect.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Principal Attorney
Communications Law Center
San Francisco, CA




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