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Why so much hostility towards IRLP?
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?
I realize that it's not real DX, but isn't amateur radio and the Internet partly about connecting people? Why is there so much hostility towards exploring radio-related technology like IRLP (which is also a part of ham radio)? Personally, I find the whole concept facinating. I'm also looking at the IPARN (http://www.iparn.ca/) (Inter-provincial Amateur Radio Network) who's goal is to connect repeaters in every Canadian province via Satellite (due to funding shortfalls, they're utilizing an IRLP-like system utilizing the internet). I guess I just see it all as exploring technology and the Amateur Radio portion creates unique opportunities to expand that exploration. -- Donovan Hill |
It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument.
"alt" wrote Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? |
It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument.
"alt" wrote Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:xpfEb.2188$6l1.1526@okepread03... It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument. I suppose it might seem that way, if you were a clueless moron. - Implying that the Internet and Radio were two interchangeable aspects of the amateur radio hobby and that there really is no difference between ham radio and commercial, non-ham stuff. - So why not just get on the Internet and call it Ham Radio? Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? It's because there are so many hams who are too intelligent to go for Gene's alleged "reasoning" in this matter. They see the damage it does to the hobby and unlike Gene, they care. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:xpfEb.2188$6l1.1526@okepread03... It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument. I suppose it might seem that way, if you were a clueless moron. - Implying that the Internet and Radio were two interchangeable aspects of the amateur radio hobby and that there really is no difference between ham radio and commercial, non-ham stuff. - So why not just get on the Internet and call it Ham Radio? Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? It's because there are so many hams who are too intelligent to go for Gene's alleged "reasoning" in this matter. They see the damage it does to the hobby and unlike Gene, they care. Charles Brabham, N5PVL Director: USPacket.Net http://www.uspacket.net |
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:09 GMT, "charlesb"
wrote: "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:xpfEb.2188$6l1.1526@okepread03... It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument. I suppose it might seem that way, if you were a clueless moron. - Implying that the Internet and Radio were two interchangeable aspects of the amateur radio hobby and that there really is no difference between ham radio and commercial, non-ham stuff. - So why not just get on the Internet and call it Ham Radio? Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? It's because there are so many hams who are too intelligent to go for Gene's alleged "reasoning" in this matter. They see the damage it does to the hobby and unlike Gene, they care. What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. If the hobby doesn't modernize and change then it will die. Young people don't see or care for CW, but with computers, they do see a way to communicate and are trying to bring people into the modern era of ham radio. It's the old timers that keep resisting change that are going to kill the hobby and if they keep bashing the younger people that are finding new ways to communicate via computer/radio, they will leave and the FCC will continue to take the frequencies that ham radio uses away since they are not being used, mainly VHF & UHF. Regards, James Note: To reply by email, remove the "X" in the reply to address. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:09 GMT, "charlesb"
wrote: "Gene Storey" wrote in message news:xpfEb.2188$6l1.1526@okepread03... It's sort of like the ford and chevy argument. I suppose it might seem that way, if you were a clueless moron. - Implying that the Internet and Radio were two interchangeable aspects of the amateur radio hobby and that there really is no difference between ham radio and commercial, non-ham stuff. - So why not just get on the Internet and call it Ham Radio? Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? It's because there are so many hams who are too intelligent to go for Gene's alleged "reasoning" in this matter. They see the damage it does to the hobby and unlike Gene, they care. What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. If the hobby doesn't modernize and change then it will die. Young people don't see or care for CW, but with computers, they do see a way to communicate and are trying to bring people into the modern era of ham radio. It's the old timers that keep resisting change that are going to kill the hobby and if they keep bashing the younger people that are finding new ways to communicate via computer/radio, they will leave and the FCC will continue to take the frequencies that ham radio uses away since they are not being used, mainly VHF & UHF. Regards, James Note: To reply by email, remove the "X" in the reply to address. .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?
What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio. If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother taking tests to get on HF ? IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans. To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is available. To each his own. Steve N2UBP |
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP?
What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio. If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother taking tests to get on HF ? IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans. To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is available. To each his own. Steve N2UBP |
"Steve Stone" wrote in message ... Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio. Really? Perhaps you have not been reading what folks have written. In any case, tell us all about that enhancement. How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby? What bands and modes do they use? Same questions for EchoLink. Where did you get your data? If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother taking tests to get on HF ? Ah. You do understand a little bit. IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans. The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is available. To each his own. Have fun! Steve N2UBP -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Steve Stone" wrote in message ... Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? What damage? If anything it will maybe help save the hobby which is little, by little dying. The purists are out against anything that intermingles and supplements amateur RADIO communications with commercial RADIO and NON RADIO networks no matter how much it enhances the end product of VHF/UHF Amateur Radio. Really? Perhaps you have not been reading what folks have written. In any case, tell us all about that enhancement. How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby? What bands and modes do they use? Same questions for EchoLink. Where did you get your data? If you can talk from here to there on VHF using neat tricks why bother taking tests to get on HF ? Ah. You do understand a little bit. IRLP and Echolink are Amateur Radio blasphemy to the puritans. The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." To me, its all neat stuff.. even the HF. Part of being interested in overall communications technology rather than a narrow sampling of what is available. To each his own. Have fun! Steve N2UBP -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Right... |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Right... |
In article z1dEb.739202$6C4.681845@pd7tw1no, says...
Why is there so much hostility towards IRLP? snippety I'm not hostile to it. Quite the contrary, I see it as a valuable tool for linking repeaters where regular RF-type links are not practical. I realize that it's not real DX, but isn't amateur radio and the Internet partly about connecting people? Why is there so much hostility towards exploring radio-related technology like IRLP (which is also a part of ham radio)? It's a part of it, but it's not really 'radio-related' because it depends on the Internet (read: wirelines) for connectivity. The closest it comes to being radio-related is that some Internet links go over microwave or satellite relays, and it's still the same TCP/IP protocols. I guess I just see it all as exploring technology and the Amateur Radio portion creates unique opportunities to expand that exploration. Indeed it does. Good to see that someone's not deathly afraid that it'll corrupt the hobby. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m Motorola Radio Programming & Service Available - http://www.bluefeathertech.com/rf.html "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
"Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered a partial quote. |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
"Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered a partial quote. |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:yBsEb.2223$6l1.61@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote "Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and A week? You really have NOT been paying attention! "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered a partial quote. Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:yBsEb.2223$6l1.61@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote "Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and A week? You really have NOT been paying attention! "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered a partial quote. Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:yBsEb.2223$6l1.61@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote "Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and I have never mentioned VOIP. "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered I have never mentioned networking. a partial quote. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:yBsEb.2223$6l1.61@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote "Gene Storey" wrote "Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Those who quote partial comments are certainly both ... You've been telling us for a week that "real" hams don't use VOIP, and I have never mentioned VOIP. "real" hams don't use the networking, so I don't see how this can be considered I have never mentioned networking. a partial quote. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
Gene Storey wrote:
"Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Right... I resemble that comment ;-) (I do VoIP and Computer Networking for work.) -- Donovan Hill |
Gene Storey wrote:
"Hank Oredson" wrote The proper term is "stupidity and ignorance." So VOIP is stupid, and the people who do computer networking are ignorant. Right... I resemble that comment ;-) (I do VoIP and Computer Networking for work.) -- Donovan Hill |
In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.
In my neighborhood it allows the snowbirds who migrate every winter southwest to communicate daily with their familes back in the Poconos when HF conditions suck. The National Weather Service Forecast Office that serves my area is approx 100 miles from my QTH. They run Skywarn nets on a Long Island, NY VHF repeater that I can not get into via radio due to terrain up in my parts. Echolink is the only way I can get into these nets. The Mount Holly, NJ NWS Forecast Office also uses echolink to run nets into areas that they serve that can not be reached using VHF repeaters. I seriously doubt Echolink would be reliable during a real weather emergency like a hurricane. How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby? Wild Ass Guess = none. What bands and modes do they use? Who is they ? Same questions for EchoLink. Same answers for Echolink. Where did you get your data? My data in general ? From a legacy mainframe running db2 and QMF version 7.1. I'm an SQL coder in real life. My ham radio data.. well that is from actual real time observations. If you equate good things for amateur radio = more new licenses you are never going to be a happy guy. My nephew in his late teens is into music, hot rodding cars, and computers. no interest in radio. I recently gave a ham radio pitch to a troop of Boy Scouts at our Emergency Management Office. I'd say about 10 percent had a minor interest in the radios. 1 percent were real hot about ham radio. Steve N2UBP |
In any case, tell us all about that enhancement.
In my neighborhood it allows the snowbirds who migrate every winter southwest to communicate daily with their familes back in the Poconos when HF conditions suck. The National Weather Service Forecast Office that serves my area is approx 100 miles from my QTH. They run Skywarn nets on a Long Island, NY VHF repeater that I can not get into via radio due to terrain up in my parts. Echolink is the only way I can get into these nets. The Mount Holly, NJ NWS Forecast Office also uses echolink to run nets into areas that they serve that can not be reached using VHF repeaters. I seriously doubt Echolink would be reliable during a real weather emergency like a hurricane. How many new licensees has IRLP brought into the hobby? Wild Ass Guess = none. What bands and modes do they use? Who is they ? Same questions for EchoLink. Same answers for Echolink. Where did you get your data? My data in general ? From a legacy mainframe running db2 and QMF version 7.1. I'm an SQL coder in real life. My ham radio data.. well that is from actual real time observations. If you equate good things for amateur radio = more new licenses you are never going to be a happy guy. My nephew in his late teens is into music, hot rodding cars, and computers. no interest in radio. I recently gave a ham radio pitch to a troop of Boy Scouts at our Emergency Management Office. I'd say about 10 percent had a minor interest in the radios. 1 percent were real hot about ham radio. Steve N2UBP |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? Same answer as befo Look it up in qrz. But then, I'm not a "real" ham like you are, so maybe you don't want to send me a QSL card, for our Internet QSO here? |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? Same answer as befo Look it up in qrz. But then, I'm not a "real" ham like you are, so maybe you don't want to send me a QSL card, for our Internet QSO here? |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
I have never mentioned networking. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. Your message is 100% noise. Why not find a hobby you can enjoy? |
"Hank Oredson" wrote
I have never mentioned networking. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. Your message is 100% noise. Why not find a hobby you can enjoy? |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:k5KEb.2310$6l1.1277@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? Same answer as befo Look it up in qrz. But then, I'm not a "real" ham like you are, so maybe you don't want to send me a QSL card, for our Internet QSO here? So you ARE ashamed of your callsign. Sorry to hear that. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:k5KEb.2310$6l1.1277@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote Your callsign please, or are you ashamed of it? Same answer as befo Look it up in qrz. But then, I'm not a "real" ham like you are, so maybe you don't want to send me a QSL card, for our Internet QSO here? So you ARE ashamed of your callsign. Sorry to hear that. -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:t6KEb.2311$6l1.9@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote I have never mentioned networking. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. Your message is 100% noise. Why not find a hobby you can enjoy? This is not "my hobby". You still didn't mention your callsign. Scared? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
"Gene Storey" wrote in message news:t6KEb.2311$6l1.9@okepread03... "Hank Oredson" wrote I have never mentioned networking. Simple, you failed to quote the whole article. Bet you are a CBer, here to bug the hams, just like 10 and 12 meters. Your message is 100% noise. Why not find a hobby you can enjoy? This is not "my hobby". You still didn't mention your callsign. Scared? -- ... Hank Hank: http://horedson.home.att.net W0RLI: http://w0rli.home.att.net |
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