"Dr. Anton T. Squeegee" wrote in message
...

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I'm sorry you feel as you do.

I disagree most strongly.

I wondered what that smell was...

There, now, wasn't that simple?

Yes, that was easy to understand.

Oh, one more thing... *PLONK!*

Uh OH!.... Are you going to be OK?

Charles, N5PVL ;)

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:22:11 -0600, "Joel" wrote:

I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity
is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets.


I don't know, if you live in California and there's an earthquake, it
might help you find where your house when to.


Bill Cherepy
Grayson, GA

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:22:11 -0600, "Joel" wrote:

I have to agree some what.. It's funny around here 90% of the APRS activity
is saying the house hasn't moved in the last few minuets.


I don't know, if you live in California and there's an earthquake, it
might help you find where your house when to.


Bill Cherepy
Grayson, GA

Charles Brabham wrote:

APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US.

The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most
interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent
activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.

APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off
all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up
so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be
used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be
interesting or useful.

In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology,
numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test.

Charles, N5PVL



Are you high?

Well, these folks are. Sorta. From 2003:
http://www.arrl-al.org/balloon_chase2.htm

We had another successful launch last week. The balloon reached
94,000ft. It transmitted aprs, id, position, altitude, and other data on
2 meters. It transmitted video at 434.000MHz from a downward-facing
mini-camera. We chased it from Huntsalulu to the AL-GA border north of
Mentone, monitoring *direct* APRS signals at 144.39 and 144.34. Also
used an ad hoc rolling network of chase cars at 146.52 and other simplex
frequencies. In short, this activity used just about every vhf trick in
the bag 'cept weak signal techniques.

It was a blast. Even the farmer who was bushhogging when it came down on
his pasture was ultra cool. He gave us a ride to the recovery site and
acted like things fall on his farm from near space every day. Ho hum.

Oh, and the only internet activity was back at the launch site, where we
were tracked on a map on a internet-connected laptop.

http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/uah_balloon.php

73 Corry K4DOH
--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

T. Boozer wrote in rolltidefan.net: "That dude that took the picture,
Corry Smith, is a bigtime aubie. Notice he named the pic
'BRIANDENNEHYstadium' Screw him!"

Charles Brabham wrote:

APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US.

The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most
interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless internet-dependent
activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep.

APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It kills off
all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into tying up
so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less will be
used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be
interesting or useful.

In the US, tying up equipment to do APRS has taken the place of astrology,
numerology, or socialism a quick ( lack of ) intelligence test.

Charles, N5PVL



Are you high?

Well, these folks are. Sorta. From 2003:
http://www.arrl-al.org/balloon_chase2.htm

We had another successful launch last week. The balloon reached
94,000ft. It transmitted aprs, id, position, altitude, and other data on
2 meters. It transmitted video at 434.000MHz from a downward-facing
mini-camera. We chased it from Huntsalulu to the AL-GA border north of
Mentone, monitoring *direct* APRS signals at 144.39 and 144.34. Also
used an ad hoc rolling network of chase cars at 146.52 and other simplex
frequencies. In short, this activity used just about every vhf trick in
the bag 'cept weak signal techniques.

It was a blast. Even the farmer who was bushhogging when it came down on
his pasture was ultra cool. He gave us a ride to the recovery site and
acted like things fall on his farm from near space every day. Ho hum.

Oh, and the only internet activity was back at the launch site, where we
were tracked on a map on a internet-connected laptop.

http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/uah_balloon.php

73 Corry K4DOH
--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net

T. Boozer wrote in rolltidefan.net: "That dude that took the picture,
Corry Smith, is a bigtime aubie. Notice he named the pic
'BRIANDENNEHYstadium' Screw him!"

"Charles Brabham" wrote

APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It
kills off
all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into
tying up
so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less
will be
used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be
interesting or useful.

Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was
the RSGB that killed off packet radio.

The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel
spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel
spacing than ham radio.

So now instead of 77 (of 80) channels mostly unused we have 158 (of
160) channels mostly unused.

Because a narrow channel requires less deviation, we all had to reduce
our deviation. This reduced the range of signals, such that the one
to one live activity that we enjoyed stopped within a very short time
as our signals could not be heard.

At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree
that internet connections would appear to be more important for some
folk.

Reg, G4ENS

"Charles Brabham" wrote

APRS fits TAPR's ideal of a "killer application" perfectly - It
kills off
all interest in the hobby. The more TNC's they can talk hams into
tying up
so they can report thier house's position on the internet, the less
will be
used for communicating as hams or doing anything else that may be
interesting or useful.

Charles, that may be to case in the US, but here in England, it was
the RSGB that killed off packet radio.

The Radio Society of GB had this odd idea that reducing the channel
spacing was needed because the commercial radio used closer channel
spacing than ham radio.

So now instead of 77 (of 80) channels mostly unused we have 158 (of
160) channels mostly unused.

Because a narrow channel requires less deviation, we all had to reduce
our deviation. This reduced the range of signals, such that the one
to one live activity that we enjoyed stopped within a very short time
as our signals could not be heard.

At least APRS has increased activity on VHF here. However I agree
that internet connections would appear to be more important for some
folk.

Reg, G4ENS

Charles Brabham wrote:

APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US.

The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most
interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless
internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep....

I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple
frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different
things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real
interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more
different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no
more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham
activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more
power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get
himself a hobby.

John, WA9FCH

Charles Brabham wrote:

APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US.

The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most
interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless
internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep....

I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple
frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different
things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real
interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more
different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no
more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham
activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more
power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get
himself a hobby.

John, WA9FCH

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 02:55:30 GMT, John McHarry wrote:
Charles Brabham wrote:

APRS was developed as a packet radio "killer application" by folks
associated with TAPR in the US.

The idea is to kill any interest in packet by eliminating its most
interesting and useful features, substituting a pointless
internet-dependent activity sure to put just about anyone to sleep....

I don't see why one person's dislike for a particular use of a couple
frequencies should be grounds for such an attack. Hams do lots of different
things, which is one of the attractions of the hobby. I have no real
interest in APRS, but if others find it amusing to hook three or more
different kinds of technology together to do something, why not? It is no
more pointless than DX or moonbounce or QRP or dozens of other ham
activities. If some people are having fun and learning a few things, more
power to them, except the QRP crowd, of of course. N5PVL needs to get
himself a hobby.

Just ignore Charles. Every now and then he'll get up and
start screeching about how this, that, and the other thing
has "killed packet", occasionally try to drive people to look
at his website ( When was that thing last updated? 1998? ),
and then sit back and try to abuse anyone who responds to him.

Almost makes me wonder what ever happened to Burt Fisher....