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Get your Trophy US Extra Callsign (A KH0x call would be nice!)
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote
or that they fail to render oaths and allegiance to Hans Brakob? Steve, could you point out to me where this "render oaths and allegiance" bull**** comes from? Had to double check and make sure the post didn't come from Len Anderson! Your point was? If you have to ask, you probably won't "get it", but I've got a hot news flash for you. Those fellas taking the FCC tests at DU and JA hamfests aren't dual citizens of DU (or JA) and Saipan, they're souveneir collectors and reciprocal-licensing cheats. There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD ......and I could go on for hundreds of desirable KH0/KH2 call signs held by foreign nationals who've never set foot on Guam/Saipan/US soil and likely have no intention to ever do so.) Here's how it works. DU1XYZ or JA1XYZ knows a guy on KH0 or KH2 and has him rent a PO Box. Then he gets himself and a couple of buddies a W5YI VE certificate and holds exams. Applicants are given the KH0 or KH2 PO Box address (for a "consideration") and "bingo", they have their souveneir US call sign. Over half of the KH0 and KH2 2x1 calls have been scarfed up by JA's and DU's. Meanwhile some kid on Guam or Saipan who upgrades to Extra has to wait until a JA or DU fella croaks over to capture a desireable call, unless some other JA or DU captures it first for a souvenier. Besides "souveniers" I mentioned reciprocal-licensing cheats, which is a primary reason so many KH0/KH2 calls go to JA's..... Because JA only has reciprocal agreements with a dozen or less countries, a US license is an essential tool for JA DXpeditioners --- let's say they'd like to do a DXpedition to V7 or VP9 . Their JA license is useless, but let them flash a KH0 license and wham, he's VP9DX with no questions asked. Meanwhile some kid on Guam or Saipan who upgrades to Extra has to wait until a JA fella croaks over to capture a desireable call (unless some other JA captures it first for his reciprocal-cheat scheme). |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:06:31 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote: There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. That's correct. And in California and a few other places too. Besides "souveniers" I mentioned reciprocal-licensing cheats, which is a primary reason so many KH0/KH2 calls go to JA's..... Because JA only has reciprocal agreements with a dozen or less countries, a US license is an essential tool for JA DXpeditioners --- let's say they'd like to do a DXpedition to V7 or VP9 . Their JA license is useless, but let them flash a KH0 license and wham, he's VP9DX with no questions asked. That's also correct. But now that all the KH2 and KH0 extra calls are gone, the JA's are having to suffer with continental U.S. calls or Hawaii calls, poor babies. N3FW, AD7AL, NB6A, NH7IG, KK2H, K8VR, N1VF, etc. No, Frank Wilson, you can't get your intials for your call sign, even though you do REALLY live in Maryland. You have to wait until Fujimoto Wazawari in Tokyo dies and then wait two more years. My favorite at QRZ.COM: "KK2H - Please send QSL to my home call, JL1UXH. If you send anything to the address in the U.S., my cousin has to forward it to Japan." That sucks. Hate wasting good Yen buying U.S. stamps. The official position of the WTB in Washington, D.C., when I talked to them on the phone about all of the above and a few other questionable items a few years back was: "It's not our job to verify addresses. It's our job to issue licenses." Which they continue to do, to anybody that wants one and who passed a "test".... So..... Any U.S. address + V.E. "exam" in a foreign country (administered by foreign nationals who could never be extradited to the U.S. to face charges for holding "funny" exams) = U.S. Extra Class Souvenir Call Sign and International Reciprocal Radio Passport. Good system. A U.S. V.E. makes a mistake on the paperwork and the FCC nails his nuts to the wall, but nobody notices when Yoshi, Toshi, and Schosi send their paperwork in from Japan. W5YI or the ARRL make six bucks everytime a JA gets a U.S. license at a VE test held in Tokyo, so everybody is fat, dumb, and happy. Turn your head, cash the check, ten more extra's, what the heck...... Welcum to the Wunnerful Werld of Ham Radio. Nobody cares. At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:06:31 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote: There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. That's correct. And in California and a few other places too. Besides "souveniers" I mentioned reciprocal-licensing cheats, which is a primary reason so many KH0/KH2 calls go to JA's..... Because JA only has reciprocal agreements with a dozen or less countries, a US license is an essential tool for JA DXpeditioners --- let's say they'd like to do a DXpedition to V7 or VP9 . Their JA license is useless, but let them flash a KH0 license and wham, he's VP9DX with no questions asked. That's also correct. But now that all the KH2 and KH0 extra calls are gone, the JA's are having to suffer with continental U.S. calls or Hawaii calls, poor babies. N3FW, AD7AL, NB6A, NH7IG, KK2H, K8VR, N1VF, etc. No, Frank Wilson, you can't get your intials for your call sign, even though you do REALLY live in Maryland. You have to wait until Fujimoto Wazawari in Tokyo dies and then wait two more years. My favorite at QRZ.COM: "KK2H - Please send QSL to my home call, JL1UXH. If you send anything to the address in the U.S., my cousin has to forward it to Japan." That sucks. Hate wasting good Yen buying U.S. stamps. The official position of the WTB in Washington, D.C., when I talked to them on the phone about all of the above and a few other questionable items a few years back was: "It's not our job to verify addresses. It's our job to issue licenses." Which they continue to do, to anybody that wants one and who passed a "test".... So..... Any U.S. address + V.E. "exam" in a foreign country (administered by foreign nationals who could never be extradited to the U.S. to face charges for holding "funny" exams) = U.S. Extra Class Souvenir Call Sign and International Reciprocal Radio Passport. Good system. A U.S. V.E. makes a mistake on the paperwork and the FCC nails his nuts to the wall, but nobody notices when Yoshi, Toshi, and Schosi send their paperwork in from Japan. W5YI or the ARRL make six bucks everytime a JA gets a U.S. license at a VE test held in Tokyo, so everybody is fat, dumb, and happy. Turn your head, cash the check, ten more extra's, what the heck...... Welcum to the Wunnerful Werld of Ham Radio. Nobody cares. At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D |
At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... |
At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... |
Robert Casey wrote in news:PxAod.10361$Qh3.9984
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net: At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one. Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try reading Part 97. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
Robert Casey wrote in news:PxAod.10361$Qh3.9984
@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net: At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one. Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try reading Part 97. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote or that they fail to render oaths and allegiance to Hans Brakob? Steve, could you point out to me where this "render oaths and allegiance" bull**** comes from? Had to double check and make sure the post didn't come from Len Anderson! Your point was? If you have to ask, you probably won't "get it", but I've got a hot news flash for you. Those fellas taking the FCC tests at DU and JA hamfests aren't dual citizens of DU (or JA) and Saipan, they're souveneir collectors and reciprocal-licensing cheats. There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD ......and I could go on for hundreds of desirable KH0/KH2 call signs held by foreign nationals who've never set foot on Guam/Saipan/US soil and likely have no intention to ever do so.) Here's how it works. DU1XYZ or JA1XYZ knows a guy on KH0 or KH2 and has him rent a PO Box. Or KH6. I recall a ham on Hawaii who loaned out his PO Box to Mike Deignan. Same ham had a Guam call, never lived on Guam. Said he had a job offer there that never panned out, and got the call in "prep" for moving there. |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Steve Robeson K4YZ" wrote or that they fail to render oaths and allegiance to Hans Brakob? Steve, could you point out to me where this "render oaths and allegiance" bull**** comes from? Had to double check and make sure the post didn't come from Len Anderson! Your point was? If you have to ask, you probably won't "get it", but I've got a hot news flash for you. Those fellas taking the FCC tests at DU and JA hamfests aren't dual citizens of DU (or JA) and Saipan, they're souveneir collectors and reciprocal-licensing cheats. There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD ......and I could go on for hundreds of desirable KH0/KH2 call signs held by foreign nationals who've never set foot on Guam/Saipan/US soil and likely have no intention to ever do so.) Here's how it works. DU1XYZ or JA1XYZ knows a guy on KH0 or KH2 and has him rent a PO Box. Or KH6. I recall a ham on Hawaii who loaned out his PO Box to Mike Deignan. Same ham had a Guam call, never lived on Guam. Said he had a job offer there that never panned out, and got the call in "prep" for moving there. |
On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:
Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one. Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try reading Part 97. 73 de Alun, N3KIP I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S. license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany, have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S., I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a U.S. license. 73, Jim KH2D |
On 23 Nov 2004 06:29:39 GMT, Alun wrote:
Foreigners have been able to get US licences for many decades. I'm one. Only representatives of a foreign government can't get a US call. Try reading Part 97. 73 de Alun, N3KIP I have read it. A few times. If you live in the U.S. and get a U.S. license, I doubt there's any complaints. If you live in Germany, have never been to the U.S., and never intend to go to the U.S., I doubt many people would deem it necessary for you to have a U.S. license. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:13:03 GMT, Robert Casey
wrote: At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... Or maybe they should just operate as JA1xxx/W7, which they are entitled to do with NO paperwork required. You're missing the point. If somebody from outside the U.S. lives in U.S., and wants to get a U.S. call, very few people would have a problem with that. I sure don't have a problem with that. The problem is the use of bogus addresses by people who have never set foot in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses. The FCC a long time ago decided it was proper for non U.S. citizens in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses, they removed the citizenship requierment years ago. I doubt they ever intended for the JA ham club in Tokyo to get a P.O. Box in California so they could get a thousand U.S. licenses as souvenirs..... And the other problem is with V.E. tests that are administered outside of the U.S. by foreign nationals. Yes, there should be U.S. amateur radio tests available in Japan - at the U.S. embassy so that U.S. citizens and U.S. military personel could take them - but not at the sushi bar administered by three JA's who have U.S. souvenir call signs. And there should not be U.S. license exams at a hamfest in the Philippines so that anybody who wants a U.S. license can buy one. Why can't I take a test for a Japanese ham license in Florida ? 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:13:03 GMT, Robert Casey
wrote: At least the FCC did do something about club calls. They took 42 of them away from a JA few years back :-) But for some strange reason, they let him keep his primary station license, a W9 extra class U.S. call. 73, Jim KH2D Maybe they should get calls like WJ#XXX, or KJ#XXX... If the FCC decides that it's proper for foriegners to get American ham licenses..... Or maybe they should just operate as JA1xxx/W7, which they are entitled to do with NO paperwork required. You're missing the point. If somebody from outside the U.S. lives in U.S., and wants to get a U.S. call, very few people would have a problem with that. I sure don't have a problem with that. The problem is the use of bogus addresses by people who have never set foot in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses. The FCC a long time ago decided it was proper for non U.S. citizens in the U.S. to get U.S. licenses, they removed the citizenship requierment years ago. I doubt they ever intended for the JA ham club in Tokyo to get a P.O. Box in California so they could get a thousand U.S. licenses as souvenirs..... And the other problem is with V.E. tests that are administered outside of the U.S. by foreign nationals. Yes, there should be U.S. amateur radio tests available in Japan - at the U.S. embassy so that U.S. citizens and U.S. military personel could take them - but not at the sushi bar administered by three JA's who have U.S. souvenir call signs. And there should not be U.S. license exams at a hamfest in the Philippines so that anybody who wants a U.S. license can buy one. Why can't I take a test for a Japanese ham license in Florida ? 73, Jim KH2D |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:42 +0000, Walt Davidson
wrote: It would solve a lot of the problems if KH2's had to trade in their callsigns in exchange for a W4 when they went to live in Florida! :-)))) 73 de G3NYY Used to be if I lived in Maryland, and I moved to Florida, I had to give up my 3 call for a new 4 call that the FCC computer spit out for me. Used to be that if you lived in the 4th call district, you couldn't get a vanity call with any number but 4 in it, but now you can. We don't do that anymore. Paperwork reduction act, Walter. No more W4 extra calls left. The guys in California got them all :-) FCC is too busy issuing licenses to JA's :-) Personally, I think the FCC should charge $100 a year for a license, which would give them an extra $70 million a year to administer the system properly. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:42 +0000, Walt Davidson
wrote: It would solve a lot of the problems if KH2's had to trade in their callsigns in exchange for a W4 when they went to live in Florida! :-)))) 73 de G3NYY Used to be if I lived in Maryland, and I moved to Florida, I had to give up my 3 call for a new 4 call that the FCC computer spit out for me. Used to be that if you lived in the 4th call district, you couldn't get a vanity call with any number but 4 in it, but now you can. We don't do that anymore. Paperwork reduction act, Walter. No more W4 extra calls left. The guys in California got them all :-) FCC is too busy issuing licenses to JA's :-) Personally, I think the FCC should charge $100 a year for a license, which would give them an extra $70 million a year to administer the system properly. 73, Jim KH2D |
wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:42 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote: It would solve a lot of the problems if KH2's had to trade in their callsigns in exchange for a W4 when they went to live in Florida! :-)))) 73 de G3NYY Used to be if I lived in Maryland, and I moved to Florida, I had to give up my 3 call for a new 4 call that the FCC computer spit out for me. Used to be that if you lived in the 4th call district, you couldn't get a vanity call with any number but 4 in it, but now you can. We don't do that anymore. Paperwork reduction act, Walter. No more W4 extra calls left. The guys in California got them all :-) The 4 land Extra calls other than the 2x2 beginning with A disappeared 10 years ago. That's before the vanity system even went into effect. So you can't blame California! ( Yes I saw the :-) ) Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote in message .. . On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:01:42 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote: It would solve a lot of the problems if KH2's had to trade in their callsigns in exchange for a W4 when they went to live in Florida! :-)))) 73 de G3NYY Used to be if I lived in Maryland, and I moved to Florida, I had to give up my 3 call for a new 4 call that the FCC computer spit out for me. Used to be that if you lived in the 4th call district, you couldn't get a vanity call with any number but 4 in it, but now you can. We don't do that anymore. Paperwork reduction act, Walter. No more W4 extra calls left. The guys in California got them all :-) The 4 land Extra calls other than the 2x2 beginning with A disappeared 10 years ago. That's before the vanity system even went into effect. So you can't blame California! ( Yes I saw the :-) ) Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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William wrote:
Or KH6. I recall a ham on Hawaii who loaned out his PO Box to Mike Deignan. Same ham had a Guam call, never lived on Guam. Said he had a job offer there that never panned out, and got the call in "prep" for moving there. Geez, I wonder who that was? Jeff KH6O (ex KH2PZ) P.S. KH0-KH9 are all in the same call area: 13. -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
William wrote:
Or KH6. I recall a ham on Hawaii who loaned out his PO Box to Mike Deignan. Same ham had a Guam call, never lived on Guam. Said he had a job offer there that never panned out, and got the call in "prep" for moving there. Geez, I wonder who that was? Jeff KH6O (ex KH2PZ) P.S. KH0-KH9 are all in the same call area: 13. -- Chief Petty Officer, U.S. Coast Guard Mathematics Lecturer, University of Hawaii System |
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On 24 Nov 2004 01:31:47 GMT, Alun wrote:
Quite true, but if you live in Germany and nip down to your local USAF facility for a VE sesion you can get a US licence, all legal and above board. There's an obvious solution. If someone takes a VE test overseas and has no US address, they ought to be given a sequentially issued call in one of the less populous FCC districts, say the 1st district. Or they should be told to buzz off. Why should any U.S. license be issued to someone in a foreign country that has no intention of using it in the U.S. ? And with the CEPT stuff, there's even more reason not to issue U.S. licenses in many countries. 73, Jim KH2D |
On 24 Nov 2004 01:31:47 GMT, Alun wrote:
Quite true, but if you live in Germany and nip down to your local USAF facility for a VE sesion you can get a US licence, all legal and above board. There's an obvious solution. If someone takes a VE test overseas and has no US address, they ought to be given a sequentially issued call in one of the less populous FCC districts, say the 1st district. Or they should be told to buzz off. Why should any U.S. license be issued to someone in a foreign country that has no intention of using it in the U.S. ? And with the CEPT stuff, there's even more reason not to issue U.S. licenses in many countries. 73, Jim KH2D |
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On 26 Nov 2004 04:22:50 GMT, Alun wrote:
However, anyone who has a licence from a country that has an ordinary bilateral reciprocal agrrement with the US can operate in the US even as a permanent resident for an indefinite period of time. An excellent reason to never issue a U.S. call sign to a Japanese ham. There is no circumstance where they'd NEED a U.S. license, because they can operate in the U.S. or in any U.S. territory with their Japanese license. Throw stroke whatever on the end of their JA call and they're good to go. No paperwork required, no resources wasted. So maybe you'd like to ban VE tests held outside the US? That would be hard on your military. How do you get licenced if you are posted somewhere that you don't speak the language? No, I wouldn't. You go to the U.S. Embassy or a U.S. military base and take the test. Think about this - How do you pass a test in Japan that's in English if you don't speak English? Remember that song from the 70's? With a little help from your friends? Another suggestion I saw in this thread was to stop aliens from being VEs. I don't think that would fly constitutionally speaking either. You're missing the whole point, Alun. The U.S. Constitution does NOT apply to Japanese nationals who live in Japan. You live in the U.S. You're a VE, and help other VE's in the U.S. give tests. That's wonderful, and the fact that you're not a U.S. citizen doesn't bother me a bit. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure you have any constitutional rights in the U.S. or that you were allowed to vote in the presidential election, but that's not the point here. If three Filipino's give a VE test for licenses in the Philippines, that bothers me. If three Japanese hams give a VE test for U.S. licenses in Tokyo, that bothers me. And I'm sure it would bother a lot of other hams in the U.S. So, what do you seriously suggest? Cut out the world wide bogus VE testing. If you are U.S. military or U.S. civilian overseas, you go to the U.S. Embassy or a U.S. military base and take the test. And you prove to the people administering the test that the address you put on the 610 form is REALLY where you live, and not a P.O. Box at Mailboxes Plus that you and your buddies chipped in to pay for, or the P.O. Box number of the Guam QSL bureau. I don't really think anyone cares if someone in Japan can get a call that belongs to the mainland US. I think if you did a poll of U.S. hams, you'd find that thinking is way out in left field. Maybe it'll help you see the big picture if we sum it up one more time: If you are a ham from ANY country and you LIVE in the U.S., and you can't operate in the U.S. under CEPT agreements, then by all means you should be allowed to take the test (in the U.S.) and get a U.S. license. BUT - If you're a ham that lives in the Philippines, and you think it would be neato keen kool as a moose to have a U.S. license just for the hell of it, you should NOT be allowed to get one - and most certainly not when the test is given by three other Filipino hams who have never been to the U.S. but somehow managed to get U.S. licenses and sign up with W5YI. Wouldn't it have been nice if all the final exams we took in school were administered by our classmates at the bowling alley on Saturday night with no teachers around to watch? I bet if we used that system, it wouldn't have taken me eight years to finish high school..... AND - If you are a Japanese ham that lives in Japan, and you think that it would be kewl to have a U.S. license so that when you go to VP9 for vacation you can pretend you're from the U.S. so you're allowed to operate in VP9, or because a U.S. call would look kewl on your QSL card, you should NOT be allowed to get one. Nobody has a problem with hams that are REALLY in the U.S. getting a license, no matter where they were born and raised. It's not a citizenship thing. Nobody has a problem with you getting a license in the U.S. even though you don't really need one, because you ARE in the U.S. The problem is with hams who have NEVER been in the U.S., or never intend to BE in the U.S. getting licenses they don't really need or ever intend to use in the U.S. OR that they intend to use as an International Radio Passport. Example: All the KH0/KH2/KH7/Wxxx calls issued to JA's. Some of them operate in Guam or Saipan, once, or once in a while. Many don't ever operate there. Now that the CEPT agreement covers Japan, they don't NEED a U.S. license so it's a waste of resources and call signs to issue them one and it allows them to falsely present themselves as U.S. hams in other countries to obtain reciprocal operating privledges that they couldn't get with a Japanese license. Before CEPT if they wanted to operate in Guam, they had to get a U.S. license or a reciprocal license. Those days are over. Why shouldn't 3 JA's be allowed to test me for a U.S. ham license in Japan? The same reason I can't take a test for a Florida drivers license in Japan at the Tokyo Motor Vehicle Department. Because it makes no damn sense. 73, Jim KH2D |
On 26 Nov 2004 04:22:50 GMT, Alun wrote:
However, anyone who has a licence from a country that has an ordinary bilateral reciprocal agrrement with the US can operate in the US even as a permanent resident for an indefinite period of time. An excellent reason to never issue a U.S. call sign to a Japanese ham. There is no circumstance where they'd NEED a U.S. license, because they can operate in the U.S. or in any U.S. territory with their Japanese license. Throw stroke whatever on the end of their JA call and they're good to go. No paperwork required, no resources wasted. So maybe you'd like to ban VE tests held outside the US? That would be hard on your military. How do you get licenced if you are posted somewhere that you don't speak the language? No, I wouldn't. You go to the U.S. Embassy or a U.S. military base and take the test. Think about this - How do you pass a test in Japan that's in English if you don't speak English? Remember that song from the 70's? With a little help from your friends? Another suggestion I saw in this thread was to stop aliens from being VEs. I don't think that would fly constitutionally speaking either. You're missing the whole point, Alun. The U.S. Constitution does NOT apply to Japanese nationals who live in Japan. You live in the U.S. You're a VE, and help other VE's in the U.S. give tests. That's wonderful, and the fact that you're not a U.S. citizen doesn't bother me a bit. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure you have any constitutional rights in the U.S. or that you were allowed to vote in the presidential election, but that's not the point here. If three Filipino's give a VE test for licenses in the Philippines, that bothers me. If three Japanese hams give a VE test for U.S. licenses in Tokyo, that bothers me. And I'm sure it would bother a lot of other hams in the U.S. So, what do you seriously suggest? Cut out the world wide bogus VE testing. If you are U.S. military or U.S. civilian overseas, you go to the U.S. Embassy or a U.S. military base and take the test. And you prove to the people administering the test that the address you put on the 610 form is REALLY where you live, and not a P.O. Box at Mailboxes Plus that you and your buddies chipped in to pay for, or the P.O. Box number of the Guam QSL bureau. I don't really think anyone cares if someone in Japan can get a call that belongs to the mainland US. I think if you did a poll of U.S. hams, you'd find that thinking is way out in left field. Maybe it'll help you see the big picture if we sum it up one more time: If you are a ham from ANY country and you LIVE in the U.S., and you can't operate in the U.S. under CEPT agreements, then by all means you should be allowed to take the test (in the U.S.) and get a U.S. license. BUT - If you're a ham that lives in the Philippines, and you think it would be neato keen kool as a moose to have a U.S. license just for the hell of it, you should NOT be allowed to get one - and most certainly not when the test is given by three other Filipino hams who have never been to the U.S. but somehow managed to get U.S. licenses and sign up with W5YI. Wouldn't it have been nice if all the final exams we took in school were administered by our classmates at the bowling alley on Saturday night with no teachers around to watch? I bet if we used that system, it wouldn't have taken me eight years to finish high school..... AND - If you are a Japanese ham that lives in Japan, and you think that it would be kewl to have a U.S. license so that when you go to VP9 for vacation you can pretend you're from the U.S. so you're allowed to operate in VP9, or because a U.S. call would look kewl on your QSL card, you should NOT be allowed to get one. Nobody has a problem with hams that are REALLY in the U.S. getting a license, no matter where they were born and raised. It's not a citizenship thing. Nobody has a problem with you getting a license in the U.S. even though you don't really need one, because you ARE in the U.S. The problem is with hams who have NEVER been in the U.S., or never intend to BE in the U.S. getting licenses they don't really need or ever intend to use in the U.S. OR that they intend to use as an International Radio Passport. Example: All the KH0/KH2/KH7/Wxxx calls issued to JA's. Some of them operate in Guam or Saipan, once, or once in a while. Many don't ever operate there. Now that the CEPT agreement covers Japan, they don't NEED a U.S. license so it's a waste of resources and call signs to issue them one and it allows them to falsely present themselves as U.S. hams in other countries to obtain reciprocal operating privledges that they couldn't get with a Japanese license. Before CEPT if they wanted to operate in Guam, they had to get a U.S. license or a reciprocal license. Those days are over. Why shouldn't 3 JA's be allowed to test me for a U.S. ham license in Japan? The same reason I can't take a test for a Florida drivers license in Japan at the Tokyo Motor Vehicle Department. Because it makes no damn sense. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:06:31 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote: There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD.. You need to rethink your list, Hans. WH0V and NH0F have been living in Saipan for years, as have a few others on that list. The ones that start with Yoshi and Toshi at QRZ.com probably don't live there :-) Saipan is not a U.S. territory and they make some of their own rules about immigration and working there, so there are a lot of guys from the P.I. that live and work in Saipan. Probably 90% of the ham population in Saipan are Filipino. But then again, you are correct in assuming that probably 90% of the hams with KH0 calls couldn't find Saipan on a map. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 04:06:31 GMT, "KØHB"
wrote: There are a small handful of "will-call" PO boxes in KH0 and KH2 which are the "home address" for hundreds of JA and DU citizens. (What do all these calls have in common? KH2O KH0JQ KH0JU KH0KW AH0BB KH0BZ KH0CG KH0CQ KH0HQ KH0HZ WH0V NH0F WH0B WH0C AH0AS AH0AU KH0CN KH0DD.. You need to rethink your list, Hans. WH0V and NH0F have been living in Saipan for years, as have a few others on that list. The ones that start with Yoshi and Toshi at QRZ.com probably don't live there :-) Saipan is not a U.S. territory and they make some of their own rules about immigration and working there, so there are a lot of guys from the P.I. that live and work in Saipan. Probably 90% of the ham population in Saipan are Filipino. But then again, you are correct in assuming that probably 90% of the hams with KH0 calls couldn't find Saipan on a map. 73, Jim KH2D |
On 26 Nov 2004 04:22:50 GMT, Alun wrote:
So, what do you seriously suggest? I call this the Ferner radio act of 2005: The first thing that must be done is to determine what is a desirable callsign. Although we can't tell in all cases, most would agree that: 1X2 2X1 1X3 2X2 are the most desirable 2X3 licenses are the least desirable of the lot. But! some may find them desirable. So in the interest of finding the least desriable callsigns for ferners to use, I would suggest that we make a new class of 5X5 callsigns. This would keep the callsigns away from the prefixes already assigned to the different countries, and would eliminate any question of ferners gobbling up those desirable ones. It will be important to have an oversight committee set up to make sure that the callsign is not accidentally desireable. Efforts must be made so that no feren ham has his or her initials in their callsign. All testing must take place at an embassy, and be approved by the respective countries legislative branches, as well as the respectice countries radio commissions. The ferner must pay for a specially trained and reputable VE to be flown to the place of testing. How's that? ...............CQ CQ CQ de KAESB3WRTCD............... hmmmm - Mike KB3EIA - |
On 26 Nov 2004 04:22:50 GMT, Alun wrote:
So, what do you seriously suggest? I call this the Ferner radio act of 2005: The first thing that must be done is to determine what is a desirable callsign. Although we can't tell in all cases, most would agree that: 1X2 2X1 1X3 2X2 are the most desirable 2X3 licenses are the least desirable of the lot. But! some may find them desirable. So in the interest of finding the least desriable callsigns for ferners to use, I would suggest that we make a new class of 5X5 callsigns. This would keep the callsigns away from the prefixes already assigned to the different countries, and would eliminate any question of ferners gobbling up those desirable ones. It will be important to have an oversight committee set up to make sure that the callsign is not accidentally desireable. Efforts must be made so that no feren ham has his or her initials in their callsign. All testing must take place at an embassy, and be approved by the respective countries legislative branches, as well as the respectice countries radio commissions. The ferner must pay for a specially trained and reputable VE to be flown to the place of testing. How's that? ...............CQ CQ CQ de KAESB3WRTCD............... hmmmm - Mike KB3EIA - |
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