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Doug Smith W9WI

November 29th 04 01:43 AM

DX Contest Funnies

A few interesting things noted during this weekend's CQ WW CW...

- A few weeks ago in the Phone Sweepstakes I worked WW0WWW. Figured
"this guy *must* be a phone op, no self-respecting CW ham would pick a
call like that!"

Guess who called me on 20 meters CW this morning?!

- M0O.

- Has Finland invaded Argentina? An OH3 station sent me Zone 13; when I
questioned him on it, he insisted he was in Zone 13. OK, if that's what
he sends then I guess that's what I'll log...

- Scores I had at some point during the contest:
69696
257752
363636
589589
909090

There should be a special certificate for submitting a palindromic score.
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Derek Wills

November 29th 04 04:35 AM

- Has Finland invaded Argentina? An OH3 station sent me Zone 13; when I
questioned him on it, he insisted he was in Zone 13. OK, if that's what
he sends then I guess that's what I'll log...

EA8ZS was sending Zone 44 on some bands, all weekend!

I posted it a few times, adding "Rare Zone 44", and people told
me he is in 33. Well, I know dat!!

So if you log 33, you should lose points. If you log 44, your
computer probably crashed.

Derek aa5bt

Derek Wills

November 29th 04 04:35 AM

Peter Lemken

November 29th 04 02:32 PM

Derek Wills wrote:
EA8ZS was sending Zone 44 on some bands, all weekend!

Nope. He was sending "VV" which is the braindead equivalent to "33"

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Peter Lemken

November 29th 04 02:32 PM

John Passaneau

November 29th 04 02:46 PM

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
A few interesting things noted during this weekend's CQ WW CW...

- A few weeks ago in the Phone Sweepstakes I worked WW0WWW. Figured
"this guy *must* be a phone op, no self-respecting CW ham would pick a
call like that!"

Guess who called me on 20 meters CW this morning?!

- M0O.

- Has Finland invaded Argentina? An OH3 station sent me Zone 13; when I
questioned him on it, he insisted he was in Zone 13. OK, if that's what
he sends then I guess that's what I'll log...

- Scores I had at some point during the contest:
69696
257752
363636
589589
909090

There should be a special certificate for submitting a palindromic score.
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

During the PAQSO party I had 57 stations give there serial number as "13"
the most hits on a single number other than "1". Very strange, as I was born
on Friday the 13th and I'm having surgery next month on 13th.

--
John Passaneau, W3JXP
Penn State University

John Passaneau

November 29th 04 02:46 PM

Doug Smith W9WI

November 29th 04 05:17 PM

Bill Turner wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 01:43:45 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote:

- Scores I had at some point during the contest:
69696
257752
363636
589589
909090

There should be a special certificate for submitting a palindromic score.

__________________________________________________ _______

Only the first two are palindromes, but I enjoyed the post anyway. Now
I'm going to be watching my scores, too.

Yeah, I realized that. (actually I didn't notice the first score *was*
a palindrome!) I just thought the other three were *interesting*!
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Doug Smith W9WI

November 29th 04 05:17 PM

Derek Wills

November 29th 04 11:02 PM

EA8ZS was sending Zone 44 on some bands, all weekend!

Nope. He was sending "VV" which is the braindead equivalent to "33"

Ah, I wondered about that - I just heard a bunch of dots
and a dash at the end :-) Hardly worth shortening it
that much, really. HC8N was sending ENNAT, which is
much less ambiguous. Oh well, I'll count the dots more
carefully next time!

Derek aa5bt

Derek Wills

November 29th 04 11:02 PM

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 29th 04 11:15 PM

Just FYI

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS
Typically Used In Contests

1 ·-
2 ··-
3 ·--
4 ···-
5 ···
6 -···
7 --·
8 -··
9 -·
0 -

--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be

"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...
EA8ZS was sending Zone 44 on some bands, all weekend!

Nope. He was sending "VV" which is the braindead equivalent to "33"

Ah, I wondered about that - I just heard a bunch of dots
and a dash at the end :-) Hardly worth shortening it
that much, really. HC8N was sending ENNAT, which is
much less ambiguous. Oh well, I'll count the dots more
carefully next time!

Derek aa5bt

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 29th 04 11:15 PM

Derek Wills

November 30th 04 04:08 AM

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS
Typically Used In Contests

(sorry, can't reproduce them on my mail system)

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

Derek Wills

November 30th 04 04:08 AM

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 30th 04 08:19 AM

I hear them all the time in CW contests particurlarly from Europe

The US Coast Guard used them for years

Some are used in WriteLog

See URL's below

"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS

FROM URL: http://www.qsl.net/yo5ofh/cw/cw_code_signs.htm
OR
http://alfanovember.iespana.es/alfan...20CW-MORSE.htm
OR
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm

ALSO TERMED CUT NUMBERS -- See URL:
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm

http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_r...or_Newbies.txt

http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_r..._Shorthand.txt

http://lists.contesting.com/archives.../msg00150.html

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

--------------------------------------------------------------
73
Keyboard In The QRN

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 30th 04 08:19 AM

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 30th 04 08:22 AM

Also see URL:
http://www.qsl.net/zs1an/contesting_...ml#cut-numbers

--
The Anon Keyboard
I doubt, therefore I might be

"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message
news:F2Wqd.185788$hj.57982@fed1read07...
I hear them all the time in CW contests particurlarly from Europe

The US Coast Guard used them for years

Some are used in WriteLog

See URL's below

"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS

FROM URL: http://www.qsl.net/yo5ofh/cw/cw_code_signs.htm
OR
http://alfanovember.iespana.es/alfan...20CW-MORSE.htm
OR
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm

ALSO TERMED CUT NUMBERS -- See URL:
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm

http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_r...or_Newbies.txt

http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_r..._Shorthand.txt

http://lists.contesting.com/archives.../msg00150.html

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

--------------------------------------------------------------
73
Keyboard In The QRN

Keyboard In The Wilderness

November 30th 04 08:22 AM

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 09:49 AM

A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.

Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 09:49 AM

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 04:29 PM

Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:

A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.

Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 04:29 PM

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 05:10 PM

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:27:01 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting? Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant. I really
want your evaluation of the question.

This question has been answered many times.

Microsoft Outlook places the cursor at the top of the quoted text to
enable the respondent to work his way down through the text, inserting
his replies at the appropriate points AFTER the original text, and
trimming all superfluous quoted material.

I thought that was fairly obvious.

You are giving both MS and its users way too much credit in the thinking
department.

"It's the default setting" is the one and only correct answer to the question.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Peter Lemken

November 30th 04 05:10 PM

Ya Typin Ta Me ?

November 30th 04 05:15 PM

Egad blokes

Nothing here about CW abbreviated numbers.
Nothing here about DX Contest Funnies.
Nothing here about DX
In fact nothing here

And you guys are arguing about Internet etiquette !!!

And the pot has called the kettle black

Perhaps Toleranz is in order

--
ID - Fow Get A Bout It

"Peter Lemken" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:

A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.

Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Ya Typin Ta Me ?

November 30th 04 05:15 PM

K1NG KØNG

November 30th 04 06:24 PM

If you have ever heard or used these

9=N, 0=T, 1=A

Then you have heard or used abbreviated numbers, also called cut numbers.

For the full set -- See URL:
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm
--
Gore Rilla

"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS
Typically Used In Contests

(sorry, can't reproduce them on my mail system)

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

K1NG KØNG

November 30th 04 06:24 PM

Doug Smith W9WI

November 30th 04 06:29 PM

Bill Turner wrote:
Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting? Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant. I really
want your evaluation of the question.

Most popular and right are not necessarily the same thing...

(in general programmers tend to do these things they way they like it to
work, whether anyone else prefers it that way or not...

That applies both to Microsoft programs (why, in Word, do you click on
"Format" to format paragraphs, fonts, and lines -- but "File" to format
the page?!) and to Linux programs. (I love the Joe editor, except....
the control-arrow keys don't work, you use control-X and control-Z
instead...)

Even Macs have had their not-so-good moments. I remember the first Mac
I tried to stuff on the building network. Here's a box for inputting
the IP address. Stick in "192.168.1.4" - it says "Invalid entry". ??!!
Turns out what it wanted was 2158493956.)

I think Walt has the right answer. (except for the part about it being
obvious...) You're supposed to delete any quoted text that has nothing
to do with your reply, then put the cursor after the material you're
replying to and type from there.

If you do delete the irrelevant text and type your comments after the
relevant quotes, then it really doesn't matter where your mailer leaves
the cursor.

If you *don't* delete the irrelevant text then I suppose it does make
more sense to top-post -- so that the reader doesn't have to wade
through all the irrelevant material to reach your comments. (I will
frequently delete an email unread if everything on the first screen is
someone else's quoted material)

On the other hand, making top-posting the default makes it easier to be
too lazy to delete the irrelevant material...

It might be nice for the software to, by default, refuse to post any
message that's more than 75% quoted material...

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Doug Smith W9WI

November 30th 04 06:29 PM

KØHB	December 1st 04 08:55 PM

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote

It might be nice for the software to, by default, refuse to post any message
that's more than 75% quoted material...

Yes.

===deleted due 75% rule===

KØHB	December 1st 04 08:55 PM

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote

It might be nice for the software to, by default, refuse to post any message
that's more than 75% quoted material...

Yes.

===deleted due 75% rule===

Peter Lemken

December 1st 04 11:21 PM

"KØHB" wrote:

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote

It might be nice for the software to, by default, refuse to post any message
that's more than 75% quoted material...

Yes.

As a matter fact, I remember a couple of newsservers I frequently used a
couple of years ago that actually did that. Annoying for the first couple of
postings, enlightenig for the rest of my usenet experience.

I wish professional use of e-Mail communication would adhere to that basic
rule. It would make life easier and less painful to read some people's
e-Mail. Malformed, malquoted, blinking tags and all that with virtually no
reference to original mail.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Peter Lemken

December 1st 04 11:21 PM

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