14.3175
 

In Cedar Rapids Iowa I hear a constant warbly signal on 14.3175 upper
sideband, 24/7.

I am not sure if it is local or long distance. It peaks from the South on my
rotary beam. A friend in Cedar Rapids 5 miles away hears it also.

Does anyone else out there hear it also?

Yes or no would be appreciated.

Bill W0IYH

In Cedar Rapids Iowa I hear a constant warbly signal on 14.3175 upper
sideband, 24/7.

I am not sure if it is local or long distance. It peaks from the South on
my
rotary beam. A friend in Cedar Rapids 5 miles away hears it also.

Does anyone else out there hear it also?

Bill, is that it's zero beat frequency? I hear something warbly at 50 Hz
bandwidth and with a 5-600 Hz note at 14.318. Mine seems to peak to the
NorthEast but VERY weak here in NC. Doesn't move my "S" meter a bit. Can't
even hear it in the noise bandwidth when opened up.

Regards
W4ZCB

Thanks Harold. What you hear is probably something different. I appreciate
your input.

There is some local speculation about a Central or South American source,
but I am uncertain about that.

Bill W0IYH

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
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In Cedar Rapids Iowa I hear a constant warbly signal on 14.3175 upper
sideband, 24/7.

I am not sure if it is local or long distance. It peaks from the South on
my
rotary beam. A friend in Cedar Rapids 5 miles away hears it also.

Does anyone else out there hear it also?

Bill, is that it's zero beat frequency? I hear something warbly at 50 Hz
bandwidth and with a 5-600 Hz note at 14.318. Mine seems to peak to the
NorthEast but VERY weak here in NC. Doesn't move my "S" meter a bit. Can't
even hear it in the noise bandwidth when opened up.

Regards
W4ZCB

William E. Sabin wrote:
Thanks Harold. What you hear is probably something different. I appreciate
your input.

There is some local speculation about a Central or South American source,
but I am uncertain about that.

Bill W0IYH

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
news:DZb7e.15176$8Z6.14849@attbi_s21...

In Cedar Rapids Iowa I hear a constant warbly signal on 14.3175 upper
sideband, 24/7.

I am not sure if it is local or long distance. It peaks from the South on

my

rotary beam. A friend in Cedar Rapids 5 miles away hears it also.

Does anyone else out there hear it also?

Bill, is that it's zero beat frequency? I hear something warbly at 50 Hz
bandwidth and with a 5-600 Hz note at 14.318. Mine seems to peak to the
NorthEast but VERY weak here in NC. Doesn't move my "S" meter a bit. Can't
even hear it in the noise bandwidth when opened up.

Regards
W4ZCB







Sounds like the fourth harmonic of the TV Color burst frequency.
73, John

Sounds like the fourth harmonic of the TV Color burst frequency.
73, John

Certainly does but my wife was gone for the day and naturally, no TV sets on
in the house. BUT now that you mention it, my beam did peak towards the
neighbors house maybe 400 feet away and they were home.

Regards

W4ZCB

That would be 3,579.38

Does that sound right?

Thsnks for the suggestion.

Bill W0IYH


"John" wrote in message
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William E. Sabin wrote:
Thanks Harold. What you hear is probably something different. I
appreciate your input.

There is some local speculation about a Central or South American source,
but I am uncertain about that.

Bill W0IYH

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
news:DZb7e.15176$8Z6.14849@attbi_s21...

In Cedar Rapids Iowa I hear a constant warbly signal on 14.3175 upper
sideband, 24/7.

I am not sure if it is local or long distance. It peaks from the South
on

my

rotary beam. A friend in Cedar Rapids 5 miles away hears it also.

Does anyone else out there hear it also?

Bill, is that it's zero beat frequency? I hear something warbly at 50 Hz
bandwidth and with a 5-600 Hz note at 14.318. Mine seems to peak to the
NorthEast but VERY weak here in NC. Doesn't move my "S" meter a bit.
Can't
even hear it in the noise bandwidth when opened up.

Regards
W4ZCB







Sounds like the fourth harmonic of the TV Color burst frequency.
73, John

That is an interesting suggestion, 3,579.38 kHz.

Does that sound right?

Bill W0IYH

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
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Sounds like the fourth harmonic of the TV Color burst frequency.
73, John

Certainly does but my wife was gone for the day and naturally, no TV sets
on
in the house. BUT now that you mention it, my beam did peak towards the
neighbors house maybe 400 feet away and they were home.

Regards

W4ZCB

William E. Sabin wrote:
That would be 3,579.38

Does that sound right?

3,579.545

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Quite right. Thanks. I can hear the fundamental, second and third harmonics
as well as 14.317. That last one is S7 on my receiver with my beam pointed
South, so it is local in my neighborhood.

Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

"Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message
...
William E. Sabin wrote:
That would be 3,579.38

Does that sound right?

3,579.545

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

Bill, I have a little TV set on a different desk in the shack here, maybe
10-12 feet from the radio. With it on, I still can't hear the 4th harmonic
above an "S-0" with the rig on the yagi. If I go to the inverted L, (L
matching network tuned to 40 meters) it comes up a little bit to perhaps a
"S-1".
That represents a level of somewhere around -120 dBm. Maybe less than that
remembering the bandwidth I'm using. Apparently my neighbor is still
asleep, I do NOT hear the signal to the NorthEast that I had yesterday. It
BTW, was no stronger than this one in the shack today.

My homebrew Txcvr is a hamband only, so I can't listen to the other
harmonics, but even the fundamental at 3579 is only an S-3 on the inverted L
(Voltage fed 1/2 wave on 160) with the matching network on 80 meters. That
must be some TV set you're listening to. I remember your article on your
antenna, but don't remember, are you by any chance using open wire line?

Regards
W4ZCB

Hello Harold,

The 4th harmonic at 14.317 is 10 dB below the S9 value of -73 dBm when I
point my beam due South. That is a strong interference. I can also hear the
first, second and third harmonics much weaker. The signal is present 24/7.

I just finished talking to the Mediacom Cable TV Co. Tech Service and they
are going to send a technician with some detection gear. They want to get
it fixed because of FCC requirements and also to satisfy the customer.

Defective cables is a common problem that the Cable TV and Wideband Internet
Companies are interested in.

Mediacom Co. here has been a pretty good company to deal with. My Wideband
Cable Internet connection has also been very good.

Bill W0IYH


"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
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Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

Bill, I have a little TV set on a different desk in the shack here, maybe
10-12 feet from the radio. With it on, I still can't hear the 4th harmonic
above an "S-0" with the rig on the yagi. If I go to the inverted L, (L
matching network tuned to 40 meters) it comes up a little bit to perhaps a
"S-1".
That represents a level of somewhere around -120 dBm. Maybe less than that
remembering the bandwidth I'm using. Apparently my neighbor is still
asleep, I do NOT hear the signal to the NorthEast that I had yesterday. It
BTW, was no stronger than this one in the shack today.

My homebrew Txcvr is a hamband only, so I can't listen to the other
harmonics, but even the fundamental at 3579 is only an S-3 on the inverted
L
(Voltage fed 1/2 wave on 160) with the matching network on 80 meters. That
must be some TV set you're listening to. I remember your article on your
antenna, but don't remember, are you by any chance using open wire line?

Regards
W4ZCB

I just finished talking to the Mediacom Cable TV Co. Tech Service and they
are going to send a technician with some detection gear. They want to get
it fixed because of FCC requirements and also to satisfy the customer.

Defective cables is a common problem that the Cable TV and Wideband
Internet
Companies are interested in.

Mediacom Co. here has been a pretty good company to deal with. My Wideband
Cable Internet connection has also been very good.

Yes, so good that I'd cancel them for their outages if it were not so
impressive when it IS working. Never thought that they might be sending the
color burst frequency down the cable as well as the programming. I've ALWAYS
disliked TV programming so much (other than a few exceptions) that I've
refused to study the technology. When one of mine breaks it's either to the
dump or to some repair shop.

Wish you well in getting rid of it. At 14.307, I'd get a nosebleed if I got
that high in the band. At 3579, I don't do that mode anymore. (Ernie ALWAYS
said, "If God had meant for man to talk with his fingers, She would have put
lips on them")

Regards
W4ZCB

The signal on the cable goes to a phase-locked-loop in the TV rcvr. This
keeps the TV picture synchronized.

Bill W0IYH


"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message
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I just finished talking to the Mediacom Cable TV Co. Tech Service and
they
are going to send a technician with some detection gear. They want to
get
it fixed because of FCC requirements and also to satisfy the customer.

Defective cables is a common problem that the Cable TV and Wideband
Internet
Companies are interested in.

Mediacom Co. here has been a pretty good company to deal with. My
Wideband
Cable Internet connection has also been very good.

Yes, so good that I'd cancel them for their outages if it were not so
impressive when it IS working. Never thought that they might be sending
the
color burst frequency down the cable as well as the programming. I've
ALWAYS
disliked TV programming so much (other than a few exceptions) that I've
refused to study the technology. When one of mine breaks it's either to
the
dump or to some repair shop.

Wish you well in getting rid of it. At 14.307, I'd get a nosebleed if I
got
that high in the band. At 3579, I don't do that mode anymore. (Ernie
ALWAYS
said, "If God had meant for man to talk with his fingers, She would have
put
lips on them")

Regards
W4ZCB

William E. Sabin wrote:
The signal on the cable goes to a phase-locked-loop in the TV rcvr. This
keeps the TV picture synchronized.

I won't say it doesn't happen, but I'd be surprised if your cable
operator is transmitting a 14.318 (or 3.579) signal down the cable.
(that doesn't mean they don't have a leak that needs fixing!)

Roughly 15,700 times a second, a brief burst (about 8-11 cycles) of a
3.579MHz reference signal modulates the TV RF carrier. This burst is
used to synchronize the color circuits. Left-to-right and top-to-bottom
scanning is synchronized with other pulses that modulate the same carrier.

So, for example, on a channel 2 station (RF carrier at 55.25MHz), the
synchronizing burst would create a sideband at 55.25 + 3.58 = 58.83MHz.
(it would also create a lower sideband around 52MHz but a filter in
the transmitter lops off most of the lower sideband, around 54.25MHz.)
No 3.58 signal is transmitted.

That's how an over-the-air station would work. But cable differs only
in that the output of the transmitter is connected to a combiner and
then to the cable to your house.

(and, of course, the transmitter is a LOT less powerful!)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

"William E. Sabin" wrote in message
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Quite right. Thanks. I can hear the fundamental, second and third
harmonics as well as 14.317. That last one is S7 on my receiver with my
beam pointed South, so it is local in my neighborhood.

Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

Well, that explains why I couldn't hear it. Ours is 4.43361875MHz.
Brad VK2QQ

You Aussies are always out of tune with the civilized world.

Just kidding, Brad. Thanks.

Bill W0IYH

"Brad" wrote in message
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"William E. Sabin" wrote in message
news:cAs7e.16678$8Z6.1255@attbi_s21...
Quite right. Thanks. I can hear the fundamental, second and third
harmonics as well as 14.317. That last one is S7 on my receiver with my
beam pointed South, so it is local in my neighborhood.

Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

Well, that explains why I couldn't hear it. Ours is 4.43361875MHz.
Brad VK2QQ

William E. Sabin wrote:
You Aussies are always out of tune with the civilized world.

Just kidding, Brad. Thanks.

Bill W0IYH

"Brad" wrote in message
...

"William E. Sabin" wrote in message
news:cAs7e.16678$8Z6.1255@attbi_s21...

Quite right. Thanks. I can hear the fundamental, second and third
harmonics as well as 14.317. That last one is S7 on my receiver with my
beam pointed South, so it is local in my neighborhood.

Is anyone else hearing the harmonics of 3.5795 ?

Bill W0IYH

Well, that explains why I couldn't hear it. Ours is 4.43361875MHz.
Brad VK2QQ




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