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I thought we were long past this but the German Group using 3V8DLH would not
work 4X1IO on 7062 SSB today at 0300Z. He said India Ocean go ahead but when the station identified as 4X1IO (both stations were S9 in Atlanta) 3V8 came back on with QRZ. I know the DL hams were following the Tunesia rules but amateur radio should be above politics! Dave K4JRB |
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David Thompson wrote:
I know the DL hams were following the Tunesia rules but amateur radio should be above politics! They have to follow the local rules. If not they face arrest, deportation, jail time and might prevent the future issuing of licenses to foreigners. The last thing that any ham should do is to arrive in a foreign country, set up a station and start breaking the local laws. It's bad for them and it's bad for ham radio. 73, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 The trouble with being a futurist is that when people get around to believing you, it's too late. We lost. Google 2,000,000:Hams 0. |
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Walt Davidson wrote:
By the way, Israel is not in the Indian Ocean ... so maybe that's why they didn't answer the 4X1. Officialy we're in southWEST Asia. Some people mistake us for being in nothern Africa or southeast Europe. Or the elusive "Middle East". Last I checked, we are a long way from the Indian Ocean. It would like someone from Kansas aswering a CQ for the Atlanic coast. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Vist my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ |
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Walt Davidson wrote:
I recall there were still a few countries on the USA's "banned countries list" in the early 1960s. Here in Europe, we always thought that was rather strange, as we have always been free to communicate with every country in the world. Uhm, "Here we in Europe"? Have you gone imperial again? ;-O Lots of former Eastern block states, including former Eastern Germany had quite a considerable list of "banned countries", including your colony at the Cape. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Paul Lincke ist dem Zille sein Milhaud. (Harry Rowohlt) |
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L. M. Rappaport wrote:
It's not so long ago that the USA had a list of "banned countries" that USA radio amateurs were forbidded to communicate with. That's news to me. We had a list of countries with whom we were not allowed to pass third party traffic, but those came about because the banned countries prohibited third party traffic. I've been licensed continuously since 1954, I may have missed this so-called ban, but I don't think so. No flame, The list was -- and is -- for real. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr97.111.htm FCC regulation 97.111(a)(1) which states in part: "(a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way communications: (1) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with other stations in the amateur service, except those in any country whose administration has given notice that it objects to such communications. The FCC will issue public notices of current arrangements for international communications;" So the banned list actually still exists, just that it's empty as no administration has currently notified the FCC that it objects to amateur communications with the USA. ISTR when I got my first license in 1973 there were three countries on the banned list. North Korea and China were two, I forget who the third was. In any case there were no ham stations in any of the listed countries so the FCC regulation really had no effect... -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com Ham stuff for sale: http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:14 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI
wrote: L. M. Rappaport wrote: It's not so long ago that the USA had a list of "banned countries" that USA radio amateurs were forbidded to communicate with. That's news to me. We had a list of countries with whom we were not allowed to pass third party traffic, but those came about because the banned countries prohibited third party traffic. I've been licensed continuously since 1954, I may have missed this so-called ban, but I don't think so. No flame, The list was -- and is -- for real. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...7cfr97.111.htm FCC regulation 97.111(a)(1) which states in part: "(a) An amateur station may transmit the following types of two-way communications: (1) Transmissions necessary to exchange messages with other stations in the amateur service, except those in any country whose administration has given notice that it objects to such communications. The FCC will issue public notices of current arrangements for international communications;" So the banned list actually still exists, just that it's empty as no administration has currently notified the FCC that it objects to amateur communications with the USA. ISTR when I got my first license in 1973 there were three countries on the banned list. North Korea and China were two, I forget who the third was. In any case there were no ham stations in any of the listed countries so the FCC regulation really had no effect... On a marginally related note, when I was employed at a defense contractor, some years ago, the countries of the Soviet Union, China, etc, were called "designated countries." We were supposed to report any contact with citizens of those countries to our Security office. I had a friend in the office and I asked him once whether I had to report every QSO I had with UA, etc. He said, no, only if you discuss where you work or what you do, with him. I said, fine, but what happens when I have just had a QSO with someone else, with whom such conversations are not banned and the UA was listening and breaks in. He grumbled and told me to go away. |
3V8 would not work Isreal Ham
"L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:04:24 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote (with possible editing): On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:15:01 GMT, "David Thompson" wrote: ...snip It's not so long ago that the USA had a list of "banned countries" that USA radio amateurs were forbidded to communicate with. 73 de G3NYY That's news to me. We had a list of countries with whom we were not allowed to pass third party traffic, but those came about because the banned countries prohibited third party traffic. I've been licensed continuously since 1954, I may have missed this so-called ban, but I don't think so. No flame, -- 73, Larry W1HJF We most certainly DID have a banned country list. Off the top of my head I remember the following; CUBA Vietnam China etc. etc. Dan/W4NTI |
3V8 would not work Isreal Ham
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:52:55 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:04:24 +0000, Walt Davidson wrote (with possible editing): On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 03:15:01 GMT, "David Thompson" wrote: ...snip It's not so long ago that the USA had a list of "banned countries" that USA radio amateurs were forbidded to communicate with. 73 de G3NYY That's news to me. We had a list of countries with whom we were not allowed to pass third party traffic, but those came about because the banned countries prohibited third party traffic. I've been licensed continuously since 1954, I may have missed this so-called ban, but I don't think so. No flame, -- 73, Larry W1HJF We most certainly DID have a banned country list. Off the top of my head I remember the following; CUBA Vietnam China etc. etc. Dan/W4NTI Dan, You are correct. I remember, too. Boy, I must be getting old... BTW, Dave, JRB, 4X is spelled IsrAEl. 73, Barry W2UP -- Note - Remove the X from my e-mail address for direct replies |
3V8 would not work Isreal Ham
It might have just been propagation. He may not have heard the 4X even
though you did. |
3V8 would not work Isreal Ham
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:14 +0000, Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
ISTR when I got my first license in 1973 there were three countries on the banned list. North Korea and China were two, I forget who the third was. In any case there were no ham stations in any of the listed countries so the FCC regulation really had no effect... Possibly Albania? Bob, N7XY |
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Bob Nielsen wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:14 +0000, Doug Smith W9WI wrote: ISTR when I got my first license in 1973 there were three countries on the banned list. North Korea and China were two, I forget who the third was. In any case there were no ham stations in any of the listed countries so the FCC regulation really had no effect... Possibly Albania? Yeah, that was probably it... -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com Ham stuff for sale: http://www.w9wi.com/articles/4sale.htm |
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It was Viet Nam (or possibly North Viet Nam) where the US was involved
in another military fiasco. On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 18:34:54 -0800, Bob Nielsen wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:36:14 +0000, Doug Smith W9WI wrote: ISTR when I got my first license in 1973 there were three countries on the banned list. North Korea and China were two, I forget who the third was. In any case there were no ham stations in any of the listed countries so the FCC regulation really had no effect... Possibly Albania? Bob, N7XY |
3V8 would not work Isreal Ham
On 26/01/2006 10:15 PM, David Thompson wrote:
I thought we were long past this but the German Group using 3V8DLH would not work 4X1IO on 7062 SSB today at 0300Z. He said India Ocean go ahead but when the station identified as 4X1IO (both stations were S9 in Atlanta) 3V8 came back on with QRZ. I know the DL hams were following the Tunesia rules but amateur radio should be above politics! No human endeavour is above politics. It's nice if people try, I guess, but it should not surprise anyone if they don't. |
We most certainly DID have a banned country list. Off the top of my head I
remember the following; CUBA Vietnam China etc. etc. Dan/W4NTI[/quote] Cuba has never been on the banned list the list of countries that are/were banned are/were at the request of the banned country example Republic of South Viet Nam did not allow amateur radio south viet nam was on the banned list at the request of the south vietnamese goverment mac w8znx |
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"de Mac" wrote in message ... We most certainly DID have a banned country list. Off the top of my head I remember the following; CUBA Vietnam China etc. etc. Dan/W4NTI Cuba has never been on the banned list the list of countries that are/were banned are/were at the request of the banned country example Republic of South Viet Nam did not allow amateur radio south viet nam was on the banned list at the request of the south vietnamese goverment mac w8znx -- de Mac I did say "off the top of my head". I didn't think it was worth my effort to look it up. Dan/W4NTI |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:33:57 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "de Mac" wrote in message ... cut -- de Mac I did say "off the top of my head". I didn't think it was worth my effort to look it up. of course you did bother bothering with the truth is too much for you Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:51:10 +0000, de Mac
wrote: Cuba has never been on the banned list Correct, and China and Vietnam were removed from the list in 1974. Stacey, AA7YA |
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