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AA July 21st 03 02:42 PM

Fight the BPL
 
Most due to crappy power lines and insulators. Now add BPL with wideband
digital signals and you have a notion of how it will sound.
I have been working with Alabama power for almost 5 years now. Including the
ARRL and the FCC on their ass. And its still not fixed. Wait till BPL is
deployed. Dan/W4NTI

Exactly right. 4 mo ago....found an arcing connection on a powerpole 2 mi. from
the house...humid days, you could see the arc...called 4 times to the power
folks....still could pick up the arc S9+ on humid days even after they had
"repaired" it 3 weeks later. Finally, the failing insulator burned thru or
physically failed (I wasn't there that day) and they replaced the entire
assembly on that pole. Amazing what you can hear when the spark gap
transmitter (heh..."beacon?") shuts down! Now, if someone had been STEALING
electricity, they'd have been out 30 seconds later. Hmmmmm.......maybe that
is what I should say next time I've got an arcing line.

A





AA July 21st 03 02:42 PM

Most due to crappy power lines and insulators. Now add BPL with wideband
digital signals and you have a notion of how it will sound.
I have been working with Alabama power for almost 5 years now. Including the
ARRL and the FCC on their ass. And its still not fixed. Wait till BPL is
deployed. Dan/W4NTI

Exactly right. 4 mo ago....found an arcing connection on a powerpole 2 mi. from
the house...humid days, you could see the arc...called 4 times to the power
folks....still could pick up the arc S9+ on humid days even after they had
"repaired" it 3 weeks later. Finally, the failing insulator burned thru or
physically failed (I wasn't there that day) and they replaced the entire
assembly on that pole. Amazing what you can hear when the spark gap
transmitter (heh..."beacon?") shuts down! Now, if someone had been STEALING
electricity, they'd have been out 30 seconds later. Hmmmmm.......maybe that
is what I should say next time I've got an arcing line.

A





Mike July 31st 03 04:01 AM

I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.

Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy, you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund. If the BPL
technology ever gets implemented, this may very well be the end of ham
radio as we know it. Make no mistake about it - we're talking 60 dB
noise increase across the entire HF, not dropping the Morse requirement!
And for what? So that people in the rural areas of USA can have a faster
download from porn sites?

https://www.arrl.org/forms/development/donations/bpl/

A measly $25 - $100 can help prevent your $5000 equipment from becoming
an expensive coffee cup warmer.

73 .... WA7AA

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Mike July 31st 03 04:01 AM

I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.

Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy, you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund. If the BPL
technology ever gets implemented, this may very well be the end of ham
radio as we know it. Make no mistake about it - we're talking 60 dB
noise increase across the entire HF, not dropping the Morse requirement!
And for what? So that people in the rural areas of USA can have a faster
download from porn sites?

https://www.arrl.org/forms/development/donations/bpl/

A measly $25 - $100 can help prevent your $5000 equipment from becoming
an expensive coffee cup warmer.

73 .... WA7AA

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Keith July 31st 03 04:55 AM

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:01:13 GMT, Mike wrote:

I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.



Yes, this is too little to late. What are the ARRL boys going to do with the
extra money, buy some Senator a whore and put money in his campaign fund? No
thanks.



Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy, you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund.


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Keith July 31st 03 04:55 AM

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:01:13 GMT, Mike wrote:

I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.



Yes, this is too little to late. What are the ARRL boys going to do with the
extra money, buy some Senator a whore and put money in his campaign fund? No
thanks.



Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy, you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund.


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http://www.kilowatt-radio.org/

Gary July 31st 03 08:27 PM

You'll be missed.

"JC" wrote in message
.com...
I will not contriube crap the the arrl. NOT A CENT. The have there OWN
agenda and not the general ham public. I was a member for 6 years and just
quit them. I will never go back.
"Mike" wrote in message
...
I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping

that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all

they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.

Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy,

you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund. If the BPL
technology ever gets implemented, this may very well be the end of ham
radio as we know it. Make no mistake about it - we're talking 60 dB
noise increase across the entire HF, not dropping the Morse

requirement!
And for what? So that people in the rural areas of USA can have a

faster
download from porn sites?

https://www.arrl.org/forms/development/donations/bpl/

A measly $25 - $100 can help prevent your $5000 equipment from

becoming
an expensive coffee cup warmer.

73 .... WA7AA

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Gary July 31st 03 08:27 PM

You'll be missed.

"JC" wrote in message
.com...
I will not contriube crap the the arrl. NOT A CENT. The have there OWN
agenda and not the general ham public. I was a member for 6 years and just
quit them. I will never go back.
"Mike" wrote in message
...
I would have gave money 10 years ago if the ARRL had advocated dropping

that
flippin' CW. Now that the ARRL is being pushed from the top down all

they
want is money. Sounds like another government agency to me.

Zoran Brlecic wrote:

Even if you are not an ARRL member and/or disagree with its policy,

you
should seriously consider contributing to this fund. If the BPL
technology ever gets implemented, this may very well be the end of ham
radio as we know it. Make no mistake about it - we're talking 60 dB
noise increase across the entire HF, not dropping the Morse

requirement!
And for what? So that people in the rural areas of USA can have a

faster
download from porn sites?

https://www.arrl.org/forms/development/donations/bpl/

A measly $25 - $100 can help prevent your $5000 equipment from

becoming
an expensive coffee cup warmer.

73 .... WA7AA

--

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reply:

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Brian Kelly August 1st 03 10:10 PM

wrote in message ...
In rec.radio.amateur.equipment JC wrote:
I will not contriube crap the the arrl. NOT A CENT. The have there OWN
agenda and not the general ham public. I was a member for 6 years and just
quit them. I will never go back.


Sorry you feel that way. We owe our ham radio to the ARRL -
they're all we have, all we ever have had, or will have.
Do you think the local CB club is going to look out for our
interests?

The ARRL has to cater to a lot of concerns, whether your operation
is with PSK31 or CW and link coupling.

A little OT, but I worry because we're losing the young interests
to the internet. If you're old enough to recall hearing the novice
bands come alive after 3PM when school let out, you'll know what I mean.


They weren't there, they'll never in this world get it.


73 Don K6LTS


w3rv

Brian Kelly August 1st 03 10:10 PM

wrote in message ...
In rec.radio.amateur.equipment JC wrote:
I will not contriube crap the the arrl. NOT A CENT. The have there OWN
agenda and not the general ham public. I was a member for 6 years and just
quit them. I will never go back.


Sorry you feel that way. We owe our ham radio to the ARRL -
they're all we have, all we ever have had, or will have.
Do you think the local CB club is going to look out for our
interests?

The ARRL has to cater to a lot of concerns, whether your operation
is with PSK31 or CW and link coupling.

A little OT, but I worry because we're losing the young interests
to the internet. If you're old enough to recall hearing the novice
bands come alive after 3PM when school let out, you'll know what I mean.


They weren't there, they'll never in this world get it.


73 Don K6LTS


w3rv

Paddy O'See August 3rd 03 03:19 PM

In Washington, power speaks. But numbers are needed for that power. Take
the NRA. Membership is around 4 million, and they have the power to
represent their membership in DC. Not every gun owner is happy with all
their decisions, BUT- the NRA IS their voice in DC, and members have the
power to alter that voice, if they wish to.
The ARRL is our ONLY link to Washington. There are, what, around 500,000
licensed hams in this country? That's a small number...we need to band
together to be heard. The NRA, at 4 million, speaks for 80+ million gun
owners. The League, as mossbound as it is, speaks for us.
If you don't like what the League is doing, WORK TO CHANGE IT!!! Run for
office in your local club (you DO belong to a local club, right?). Heck,
run for a League position. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! DON'T SIT THERE AND
WHINE ABOUT IT!!!!
Keep in mind what Benjamin Franklin said as they were signing the
Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia in 1776: "We must hang
together, or surely we will all hang separately." We hams had blessed
well better hang together, or we're toast.

"Stupidity is always more interesting than dullness."
R.E.T.


Paddy O'See August 3rd 03 03:19 PM

In Washington, power speaks. But numbers are needed for that power. Take
the NRA. Membership is around 4 million, and they have the power to
represent their membership in DC. Not every gun owner is happy with all
their decisions, BUT- the NRA IS their voice in DC, and members have the
power to alter that voice, if they wish to.
The ARRL is our ONLY link to Washington. There are, what, around 500,000
licensed hams in this country? That's a small number...we need to band
together to be heard. The NRA, at 4 million, speaks for 80+ million gun
owners. The League, as mossbound as it is, speaks for us.
If you don't like what the League is doing, WORK TO CHANGE IT!!! Run for
office in your local club (you DO belong to a local club, right?). Heck,
run for a League position. MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD! DON'T SIT THERE AND
WHINE ABOUT IT!!!!
Keep in mind what Benjamin Franklin said as they were signing the
Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia in 1776: "We must hang
together, or surely we will all hang separately." We hams had blessed
well better hang together, or we're toast.

"Stupidity is always more interesting than dullness."
R.E.T.


AK August 23rd 03 01:58 AM

Will common sense or big money win??

AK

Recent ARRL release:


The ARRL says Broadband over Power Line (BPL) proponents failed in their
comments to the FCC to substantiate their claims that the technology will
not cause widespread interference. In reply comments filed August 20--the
FCC's deadline to receive comments in the Notice of Inquiry, ET Docket
03-104--the League said that if the FCC is going to rely on industry
statements in making decisions on BPL deployment, the industry should back
up its assertions with technical studies and hard data and make these
public.

"Unfounded assurances that BPL will not cause interference are no
substitute for real-world measurements," the League declared, "and the FCC
should rely on documented test results and an impact of interference
potential based on scientific, not marketing, criteria."

.. . . .




AK August 23rd 03 01:58 AM

Will common sense or big money win??

AK

Recent ARRL release:


The ARRL says Broadband over Power Line (BPL) proponents failed in their
comments to the FCC to substantiate their claims that the technology will
not cause widespread interference. In reply comments filed August 20--the
FCC's deadline to receive comments in the Notice of Inquiry, ET Docket
03-104--the League said that if the FCC is going to rely on industry
statements in making decisions on BPL deployment, the industry should back
up its assertions with technical studies and hard data and make these
public.

"Unfounded assurances that BPL will not cause interference are no
substitute for real-world measurements," the League declared, "and the FCC
should rely on documented test results and an impact of interference
potential based on scientific, not marketing, criteria."

.. . . .





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