Out of curiosity, and to help the rest of us avoid this problem, what software
turns off the split function? Admittedly, with the TS2K, I usually use XIT
instead of split, but I would like to know what software to avoid.


Don't be so quick to criticize people who call on the DX's frequency.
There are a few programs which one could have running in the background
that can inadvertently turn off the split function. I have had this
happen to me a couple of times and been called a lid by the Kilocycle
Kops. I'm not, but they're welcome to their opinion.

Once this happens a time or two, most ops will figure it out, but until
they do, put the blame where it belongs: Poorly written software.


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Phil - N1KI wrote:
Out of curiosity, and to help the rest of us avoid this problem, what software
turns off the split function? Admittedly, with the TS2K, I usually use XIT
instead of split, but I would like to know what software to avoid.

____________________

LogWindows does it, and there was another which I used once but have since
abandoned (don't remember which). The problem occurs when you do not have the
program running, the radio is already in split mode, and you start the program.
When the program starts, it turns off split and if you don't notice it...
you're a *lid*. :-)

--
Bill W6WRT

Phil - N1KI wrote:
Out of curiosity, and to help the rest of us avoid this problem, what software
turns off the split function? Admittedly, with the TS2K, I usually use XIT
instead of split, but I would like to know what software to avoid.

____________________

LogWindows does it, and there was another which I used once but have since
abandoned (don't remember which). The problem occurs when you do not have the
program running, the radio is already in split mode, and you start the program.
When the program starts, it turns off split and if you don't notice it...
you're a *lid*. :-)

--
Bill W6WRT

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dates.

Is the concept of split operation really that difficult to grasp
for people who have presumably passed a relatively difficult exam
in order to get their license?

There is no test of operating on the exams. It's like giving
out driver's licenses based on a multiple-choice test only. It
would be nice if the license exams included making a real QSO,
copying some signals on the air, figuring out DX prefixes, and
busting a CW pile-up. Dream on!

Take a squint at the vanity HQ website sometimes and look at the
vanity calls that even some Extra class hams have applied for -
people ask for their names, they ask for A4, A5 prefixes, all
sorts of crazy stuff. There's an Extra class person asking for
A5NM, someone asked for an RM7 prefix, someone applied for
SARK9S, others wants DA5246, DVRDWN, SARLAB and so on.

It's no wonder that when such ops get on HF and start to try to
work DX, they are completely lost. I suppose many (some) of
them figure it out eventually, but the exams could include some
very basic stuff like this, esp. the ones for license classes
that allow HF access.

Oh well,

Derek aa5bt (perhaps I should apply for A5BT, it's shorter...)

Derek, you have done an excellent job of enhancing the point I was trying to
make. It seems that since licensing has become a matter of downloading or
buying a copy of the question pool and memorizing the answers, that developing
an understanding of the underlying principles and concepts has suffered.
Unfortunately, courtesy and pride in operating skills has also suffered.
Stupidity on a local level is annoying, but HF propagation makes it a
world-wide problem.


In article ,
(Derek Wills) wrote:
Is the concept of split operation really that difficult to grasp
for people who have presumably passed a relatively difficult exam
in order to get their license?

There is no test of operating on the exams. It's like giving
out driver's licenses based on a multiple-choice test only. It
would be nice if the license exams included making a real QSO,
copying some signals on the air, figuring out DX prefixes, and
busting a CW pile-up. Dream on!

Take a squint at the vanity HQ website sometimes and look at the
vanity calls that even some Extra class hams have applied for -
people ask for their names, they ask for A4, A5 prefixes, all
sorts of crazy stuff. There's an Extra class person asking for
A5NM, someone asked for an RM7 prefix, someone applied for
SARK9S, others wants DA5246, DVRDWN, SARLAB and so on.

It's no wonder that when such ops get on HF and start to try to
work DX, they are completely lost. I suppose many (some) of
them figure it out eventually, but the exams could include some
very basic stuff like this, esp. the ones for license classes
that allow HF access.

Oh well,

Derek aa5bt (perhaps I should apply for A5BT, it's shorter...)

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Derek, you have done an excellent job of enhancing the point I was trying to
make. It seems that since licensing has become a matter of downloading or
buying a copy of the question pool and memorizing the answers, that developing
an understanding of the underlying principles and concepts has suffered.
Unfortunately, courtesy and pride in operating skills has also suffered.
Stupidity on a local level is annoying, but HF propagation makes it a
world-wide problem.


In article ,
(Derek Wills) wrote:
Is the concept of split operation really that difficult to grasp
for people who have presumably passed a relatively difficult exam
in order to get their license?

There is no test of operating on the exams. It's like giving
out driver's licenses based on a multiple-choice test only. It
would be nice if the license exams included making a real QSO,
copying some signals on the air, figuring out DX prefixes, and
busting a CW pile-up. Dream on!

Take a squint at the vanity HQ website sometimes and look at the
vanity calls that even some Extra class hams have applied for -
people ask for their names, they ask for A4, A5 prefixes, all
sorts of crazy stuff. There's an Extra class person asking for
A5NM, someone asked for an RM7 prefix, someone applied for
SARK9S, others wants DA5246, DVRDWN, SARLAB and so on.

It's no wonder that when such ops get on HF and start to try to
work DX, they are completely lost. I suppose many (some) of
them figure it out eventually, but the exams could include some
very basic stuff like this, esp. the ones for license classes
that allow HF access.

Oh well,

Derek aa5bt (perhaps I should apply for A5BT, it's shorter...)

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Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

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Bill Turner wrote:
Don't be so quick to criticize people who call on the DX's frequency.
There are a few programs which one could have running in the background
that can inadvertently turn off the split function. I have had this
happen to me a couple of times and been called a lid by the Kilocycle
Kops. I'm not, but they're welcome to their opinion.

Once this happens a time or two, most ops will figure it out, but until
they do, put the blame where it belongs: Poorly written software.

One might argue that if one's software is turning off the split mode,
one needs to stop running that software, at least while calling
split-frequency DX. If my rig radiates a T4 signal with spurs every
1KHz, should I keep calling the DX because it's the only rig I've got --
or should I be fixing my rig?

Not that that justifies the screams of "UP LID" on top of the DX when
one makes that error. The "UP" stations are causing far more QRM than
the stations that inadvertently fail to engage split.

One that really bothers me is when the DX is working split but not
saying so. When each QSO ends with simply "TU" - no callsign, no
indication they're listening up. Often 10, 15 QSOs or more before they
ID and indicate they're listening up. It's not at all unusual for such
a pileup to collect 5-6 good DXers calling the DX on his own frequency -
and then a handful of "UP" stations.

(inevitably, when the DX does ID and indicate he's listening up, you
can't hear him because of the QRM from the "UP" stations!)

Apparently if you find your own DX, you're a lid. (instead of letting
the Cluster do it, so you can read the DX station's call and listening
frequency on the Internet)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Out of curiosity, and to help the rest of us avoid this problem, what software
turns off the split function? Admittedly, with the TS2K, I usually use XIT
instead of split, but I would like to know what software to avoid.


Don't be so quick to criticize people who call on the DX's frequency.
There are a few programs which one could have running in the background
that can inadvertently turn off the split function. I have had this
happen to me a couple of times and been called a lid by the Kilocycle
Kops. I'm not, but they're welcome to their opinion.

Once this happens a time or two, most ops will figure it out, but until
they do, put the blame where it belongs: Poorly written software.


Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

Is the concept of split operation really that difficult to grasp
for people who have presumably passed a relatively difficult exam
in order to get their license?

There is no test of operating on the exams. It's like giving
out driver's licenses based on a multiple-choice test only. It
would be nice if the license exams included making a real QSO,
copying some signals on the air, figuring out DX prefixes, and
busting a CW pile-up. Dream on!

Take a squint at the vanity HQ website sometimes and look at the
vanity calls that even some Extra class hams have applied for -
people ask for their names, they ask for A4, A5 prefixes, all
sorts of crazy stuff. There's an Extra class person asking for
A5NM, someone asked for an RM7 prefix, someone applied for
SARK9S, others wants DA5246, DVRDWN, SARLAB and so on.

It's no wonder that when such ops get on HF and start to try to
work DX, they are completely lost. I suppose many (some) of
them figure it out eventually, but the exams could include some
very basic stuff like this, esp. the ones for license classes
that allow HF access.

Oh well,

Derek aa5bt (perhaps I should apply for A5BT, it's shorter...)