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I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? -- John Passaneau W3JXP Penn State University Physics 6D Osmond lab 814-863-4297 |
I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in
the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! Derek aa5bt |
I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in
the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! Derek aa5bt |
"Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of
IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Regards, Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA -- "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of
IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Regards, Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA -- "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams
who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. Umm.. An overseas ham sends the QSL manager an IRC. The manager doesn't (although could) take that to the post office and exchange it for an airmail stamp. The manager buys stamps at the post office using his/her local currency. So the ham gets her or his direct QSL reply, and the manager has effectively bought the IRC for 80 cents. The manager can then re-sell the IRC to other DXers for 80 cents (or a little over in order to bring in a few cents towards ongoing cost of buying cards, or sending cards via buro when they arrive that way). Or, of course, the manager can keep the IRC for her/his own QSLing purposes. Nobody has been cheated out of anything (unless you count the post office, who sells the things for $1.75!). Derek aa5bt |
And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams
who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. Umm.. An overseas ham sends the QSL manager an IRC. The manager doesn't (although could) take that to the post office and exchange it for an airmail stamp. The manager buys stamps at the post office using his/her local currency. So the ham gets her or his direct QSL reply, and the manager has effectively bought the IRC for 80 cents. The manager can then re-sell the IRC to other DXers for 80 cents (or a little over in order to bring in a few cents towards ongoing cost of buying cards, or sending cards via buro when they arrive that way). Or, of course, the manager can keep the IRC for her/his own QSLing purposes. Nobody has been cheated out of anything (unless you count the post office, who sells the things for $1.75!). Derek aa5bt |
"Richard Eckman" wrote in message news:ym4Kb.34762$F22.17774@lakeread02... There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal and no doubt one of several reasons that expiration dates are now put on them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Richard Eckman" wrote in message news:ym4Kb.34762$F22.17774@lakeread02... There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal and no doubt one of several reasons that expiration dates are now put on them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
I would seriously doubt that there is any law (in the US) that makes this
practice illegal. Amateur radio operators are hardly the only group that barters IRCs. Do a Google search on "International Reply Coupons Barter" and you'll see that this is a very common practice. I'm worried about a lot of things, but not about a visit from the Post Office Police! Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA -- "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Richard Eckman" wrote in message news:ym4Kb.34762$F22.17774@lakeread02... There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal and no doubt one of several reasons that expiration dates are now put on them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
I would seriously doubt that there is any law (in the US) that makes this
practice illegal. Amateur radio operators are hardly the only group that barters IRCs. Do a Google search on "International Reply Coupons Barter" and you'll see that this is a very common practice. I'm worried about a lot of things, but not about a visit from the Post Office Police! Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA -- "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message gy.com... "Richard Eckman" wrote in message news:ym4Kb.34762$F22.17774@lakeread02... There's nothing unethical about this process! The manager gets loads of IRCs and replies to the cards via airmail, as would be expected. But, rather than redeeming them at the Post Office for $0.80 (in the US), he/she sells them for face value or a slight markup (I've seen them go for $0.80-$1.10 recently) to other DXers as a service. That way, DXers get the IRCs at a significant discount compared to Post Office prices and the manager gets what he would have if he had redeemed them at the Post Office, or possibly a slight profit that can be rolled into printing more QSL cards or other operating expenses. Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I haven't purchased an IRC from the Post Office since the early 1970s, when they were considerably less expensive. I've never redeemed an IRC at the Post Office. I've been buying them from QSL managers for years. They simply continue making the rounds as a sort of currency. The new IRCs have an expiration date which will somewhat short circuit this wonderful process. I certainly appreciate the efforts of Derek and other QSL managers for selling IRCs back to the DX community. Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal and no doubt one of several reasons that expiration dates are now put on them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. .... Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal What!!! That's an outrage! We better shock and awe before they develop nuclear weapons. WA7AA -- Anti-spam measu look me up on qrz.com if you need to reply directly |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. .... Since they were never intended to be "currency" this is probably illegal What!!! That's an outrage! We better shock and awe before they develop nuclear weapons. WA7AA -- Anti-spam measu look me up on qrz.com if you need to reply directly |
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so much, like it does here. You been smokin' RG59 again? 73, Jim KH2D |
On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so much, like it does here. You been smokin' RG59 again? 73, Jim KH2D |
On 5 Jan 2004 06:30:33 GMT, Bob Nielsen
wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, Dee D. Flint wrote: Just as fruitcakes get passed back and forth and are hardly ever eaten. 73, Bob N7XY I think in this particular case, QRZ.Com has definitly passed us a fruit cake..... 73, Jim KH2D |
On 5 Jan 2004 06:30:33 GMT, Bob Nielsen
wrote: On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, Dee D. Flint wrote: Just as fruitcakes get passed back and forth and are hardly ever eaten. 73, Bob N7XY I think in this particular case, QRZ.Com has definitly passed us a fruit cake..... 73, Jim KH2D |
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:22:33 -0500, "Richard Eckman"
wrote: I would seriously doubt that there is any law (in the US) that makes this practice illegal. Amateur radio operators are hardly the only group that barters IRCs. Do a Google search on "International Reply Coupons Barter" and you'll see that this is a very common practice. I'm worried about a lot of things, but not about a visit from the Post Office Police! Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA For that matter, is there even a law that says I can't buy $0.37 stamps at the PO and sell them for a buck? It certainly doesn't seem to be a problem for third party stamp machines that take a cut for the convenience of not having to go to the PO. |
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:22:33 -0500, "Richard Eckman"
wrote: I would seriously doubt that there is any law (in the US) that makes this practice illegal. Amateur radio operators are hardly the only group that barters IRCs. Do a Google search on "International Reply Coupons Barter" and you'll see that this is a very common practice. I'm worried about a lot of things, but not about a visit from the Post Office Police! Rich Eckman KO4MR Hampton, VA For that matter, is there even a law that says I can't buy $0.37 stamps at the PO and sell them for a buck? It certainly doesn't seem to be a problem for third party stamp machines that take a cut for the convenience of not having to go to the PO. |
Gee Guys:
All I wanted was someone to sell me some IRC's! So again does anyone have some for sale? -- John Passaneau W3JXP State College Pa This mail is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects. "Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 02:57:41 +0000 (UTC), (Derek Wills) wrote: Nobody has been cheated out of anything (unless you count the post office, who sells the things for $1.75!). The Post Office in the UK still sells brand new ones for 60p (about $1.02). Maybe I should go into business .... :-)) 73 de G3NYY -- Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:37:22 -0500, "John Passaneau"
wrote: |Gee Guys: | |All I wanted was someone to sell me some IRC's! Heh heh. See what a mess you started. | | | |So again does anyone have some for sale? I think he sometimes reads this group but hasn't spoken up so he may not have any, but you might try KU9C. |
On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:37:22 -0500, "John Passaneau"
wrote: |Gee Guys: | |All I wanted was someone to sell me some IRC's! Heh heh. See what a mess you started. | | | |So again does anyone have some for sale? I think he sometimes reads this group but hasn't spoken up so he may not have any, but you might try KU9C. |
In article ,
says... On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:37:22 -0500, "John Passaneau" wrote: |Gee Guys: | |All I wanted was someone to sell me some IRC's! Heh heh. See what a mess you started. | | | |So again does anyone have some for sale? I think he sometimes reads this group but hasn't spoken up so he may not have any, but you might try KU9C. He should have tons of them Try: |
In article ,
says... On Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:37:22 -0500, "John Passaneau" wrote: |Gee Guys: | |All I wanted was someone to sell me some IRC's! Heh heh. See what a mess you started. | | | |So again does anyone have some for sale? I think he sometimes reads this group but hasn't spoken up so he may not have any, but you might try KU9C. He should have tons of them Try: |
I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. In article om, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming.... |
I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. In article om, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming.... |
Here-Here I agree,and while we're at it,lets stop beating this dead horse?
ttyl de dave-n2rhl "Phil - N1KI" wrote in message ... I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. In article om, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming.... |
Here-Here I agree,and while we're at it,lets stop beating this dead horse?
ttyl de dave-n2rhl "Phil - N1KI" wrote in message ... I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. In article om, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: "Derek Wills" wrote in message ... I'm looking to buy some IRC's. I'm mainly interested in the new larger size ones. Does anyone have some to sell? Best bet is the Post Office. Though in some areas you'll have to get them to special order them. I disagree - why pay $1.75 at the PO when QSL managers will sell them for 80c to $1 each? The poster did the right thing by asking here. Also try QSL managers of recent expeditions or managers of busy stations. I sold my last lot for 80c each, but now that I'm not an active manager I'm hanging on to my last 100 or so for my own QSLing. And where do the QSL managers get them so cheap? From hams who send them? Why aren't the QSL managers using them as intended, that is to send a QSL direct to the ham that provided that IRC and the envelope. Are the QSL managers keeping the IRCs and sending the QSLs via the bureau? That would be quite unethical. One of the perks of being a QSL manager is that you get a steady supply of IRCs, but I wouldn't do it just for that! There shouldn't be any IRCs left over for the manager. The hams who send them are doing so to get direct QSL responses. So how do you have an excess?? Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming.... |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so much, like it does here. You been smokin' RG59 again? 73, Jim KH2D While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs, if you will check the FCC database, you will find that I have been an Extra class operator since 1993. I have a good bit of experience with ham radio overall just not with IRCs. So check your facts before slinging mud. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. Dee Dee. Scurry on back over to QRZ.Com and argue with the repeater geeks, where your inexperience with ham radio doesn't stick out so much, like it does here. You been smokin' RG59 again? 73, Jim KH2D While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs, if you will check the FCC database, you will find that I have been an Extra class operator since 1993. I have a good bit of experience with ham radio overall just not with IRCs. So check your facts before slinging mud. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I can't believe I'm reading this. Enough already! I - and countless thousands of hams - have used IRCs as a form of "ham radio international currency" for almost 50 years. As well as paying for postage and QSL manager expenses, they are also often used to pay for awards, etc. Find something worthwhile to whine about, OM. 73 de G3NYY Who's whining? I'm simply asking questions about something that on the surface has the appearance of impropriety. It is better to ask an apparently stupid question than to remain in ignorance. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message ... On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 03:09:39 GMT, "Dee D. Flint" wrote: Some one bought them at post office prices originally. And somewhere along the line the QSL manager has to buy postage. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. I can't believe I'm reading this. Enough already! I - and countless thousands of hams - have used IRCs as a form of "ham radio international currency" for almost 50 years. As well as paying for postage and QSL manager expenses, they are also often used to pay for awards, etc. Find something worthwhile to whine about, OM. 73 de G3NYY Who's whining? I'm simply asking questions about something that on the surface has the appearance of impropriety. It is better to ask an apparently stupid question than to remain in ignorance. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Phil - N1KI" wrote in message ... I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. I was questioning something that did not appear at the time to make any sense. All of us should be willing to ask such questions even if we have to take a little heat as a result of it. Afterall if we accepted everything at face value, a lot of people would be falling for that Nigerian thing making the rounds on email. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Phil - N1KI" wrote in message ... I don't think it is called illegal, I think it is called capitalism. QSL managers must put their time and effort into checking logs, filling out cards, stuffing envelopes, etc. I always include a little extra beyond postage to help defray some of the managers' costs, and I certainly do not expect them to send me any change. If you provide an IRC to pay for first class postage, why should you care whether the manager pays postage out of his pocket and then sells the IRC to another person as long as you get your card? Derek may be a little opinionated (and I usually agree with his opinions) and outspoken, but I certainly would not call him unethical. Instead of slamming these guys, we should be thanking them for making confirming contacts so much easier. I was questioning something that did not appear at the time to make any sense. All of us should be willing to ask such questions even if we have to take a little heat as a result of it. Afterall if we accepted everything at face value, a lot of people would be falling for that Nigerian thing making the rounds on email. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:00:26 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs...... Obviously. Now run on back over to QRZ.com and argue with the Morse Code Monkeys. 73, Jim KH2D |
On Tue, 06 Jan 2004 03:00:26 GMT, "Dee D. Flint"
wrote: While I may not be knowledgeable on the subject of IRCs...... Obviously. Now run on back over to QRZ.com and argue with the Morse Code Monkeys. 73, Jim KH2D |
Dee D. Flint wrote:
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message SNIP .. If he is buying postage for $0.80 and selling the IRCs for $1 that is probably illegal. SNIP Dee, you can go to the local Post Office, USPS, and buy a sheet of $0.37 stamps for $37.00. You are now free to sell them for whatever you want or for whatever the market will bear. Happens all the time and it is legal!! In the USA UPS sells $0.37 stamps all the time for $0.40!! Hmmm... IRCs are simply an international exchange medium for a first class letter. In the USA that's a 1 ounce [28 gram] letter in much of Europe it is for a 3/4 ounce [20 gram] latter. Free market rules. DD, W1MCE |
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