Why is USA discriminated against on SSB??
 

This started out as my yearly complaint against 40 SSB operation but I
started thinking about why the uSA should still be discriminated against on
SSB on virtually all HF bands.

I understand that years ago Dx stations ran very modest rigs and often did
not have antennas
to compete with most USA stations. But today there is absolutely no reason
for safe harbor for DX.

Tonight and early this AM I listened to HF0QF work DX on 40 SSB. I and
several other USA stations started calling him on CW asking him to listen up
for USA. I know he heard us because
he was S8 to 9 here and only S5 to 6 in Europe. One W3 asked I2ZGC who was
helping him why he never listened up. He told him his signal was good and
next time USA won't have as much patience and will put a CW pile up on his
frequency.

All I want is to have a chance to work SSB DX on 40. Dxpeditions usually
listen up (those who say QRM is too much will not wash!!!). Many of us use
beams and quads so we can make it through. All Dx stations (rare and semi
rare) should give some time to working USA on 40 SSB split up. Otherwise
someone will propose that we be able to operate on 7050 to 7100 SSB and this
time the FCC will listen as they are into deregulation.

My two cents worth
Dave K4JRB

David L Thompson wrote:
All I want is to have a chance to work SSB DX on 40. Dxpeditions usually
listen up (those who say QRM is too much will not wash!!!). Many of us use
beams and quads so we can make it through. All Dx stations (rare and semi
rare) should give some time to working USA on 40 SSB split up. Otherwise
someone will propose that we be able to operate on 7050 to 7100 SSB and this
time the FCC will listen as they are into deregulation.

- The eventual clearing of broadcasting from 7100-7200 will go a long
way to fix this. (I might venture a guess that many DX stations don't
listen up because they can't find a receive frequency that's clear
enough to be comfortable to monitor. If one thinks the SWBC signals are
L-O-U-D over here, imagine what they must be like in most DX locations!)

- Would you still be able to hear the DX in 7050-7100 if it were legal
for USA stations to transmit there? My bet is that the segment would
"silt up" with people who are working 75m right now because they can't
deal with the BC QRM. The segment would be full of medium-range QSOs
within the U.S..

- In the meantime, datamode operation would be driven down by QRM. We'd
start seeing digital signals all the way down to 7020 or even lower.
(might start making it rather difficult to hear the *CW* DX...)

- Then wait for the CQ WW CW and watch all h**l break loose...
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

David L Thompson wrote:
All I want is to have a chance to work SSB DX on 40. Dxpeditions usually
listen up (those who say QRM is too much will not wash!!!). Many of us use
beams and quads so we can make it through. All Dx stations (rare and semi
rare) should give some time to working USA on 40 SSB split up. Otherwise
someone will propose that we be able to operate on 7050 to 7100 SSB and this
time the FCC will listen as they are into deregulation.

- The eventual clearing of broadcasting from 7100-7200 will go a long
way to fix this. (I might venture a guess that many DX stations don't
listen up because they can't find a receive frequency that's clear
enough to be comfortable to monitor. If one thinks the SWBC signals are
L-O-U-D over here, imagine what they must be like in most DX locations!)

- Would you still be able to hear the DX in 7050-7100 if it were legal
for USA stations to transmit there? My bet is that the segment would
"silt up" with people who are working 75m right now because they can't
deal with the BC QRM. The segment would be full of medium-range QSOs
within the U.S..

- In the meantime, datamode operation would be driven down by QRM. We'd
start seeing digital signals all the way down to 7020 or even lower.
(might start making it rather difficult to hear the *CW* DX...)

- Then wait for the CQ WW CW and watch all h**l break loose...
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

next time USA won't have as much patience and will put
a CW pile up on his frequency.

And then you wonder why someone might not bother
to listen for Ws through all the BCI?

A local DXer has worked almost every DXCC country on
40m SSB in 15 yrs or so, 'nuff said,

Derek aa5bt

next time USA won't have as much patience and will put
a CW pile up on his frequency.

And then you wonder why someone might not bother
to listen for Ws through all the BCI?

A local DXer has worked almost every DXCC country on
40m SSB in 15 yrs or so, 'nuff said,

Derek aa5bt

"David L Thompson" wrote in message
link.net...
This started out as my yearly complaint against 40 SSB operation but I
started thinking about why the uSA should still be discriminated against
on
SSB on virtually all HF bands.

I understand that years ago Dx stations ran very modest rigs and often did
not have antennas
to compete with most USA stations. But today there is absolutely no
reason
for safe harbor for DX.

Tonight and early this AM I listened to HF0QF work DX on 40 SSB. I and
several other USA stations started calling him on CW asking him to listen
up
for USA. I know he heard us because
he was S8 to 9 here and only S5 to 6 in Europe. One W3 asked I2ZGC who
was
helping him why he never listened up. He told him his signal was good and
next time USA won't have as much patience and will put a CW pile up on his
frequency.

All I want is to have a chance to work SSB DX on 40. Dxpeditions usually
listen up (those who say QRM is too much will not wash!!!). Many of us
use
beams and quads so we can make it through. All Dx stations (rare and
semi
rare) should give some time to working USA on 40 SSB split up. Otherwise
someone will propose that we be able to operate on 7050 to 7100 SSB and
this
time the FCC will listen as they are into deregulation.

My two cents worth
Dave K4JRB


It would not be practical to let the USA SSB operators into 7.050 to 7.100
along with all the digital communications that go there too. That's too
narrow a band for so many people. However the last international conference
decreed that the foreign broadcasts must move out of 7.100 to 7.200 within
just a few years and that this segment will also become exclusively amateur
world wide. At that time, the USA and the rest of the world will have a
common SSB segment from 7.150 to 7.200 that will not be crowding the digital
folks. Hopefully the amateur community will continue its work and get the
rest of what the US enjoys (up to 7.300) also allocated to amateurs world
wide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"David L Thompson" wrote in message
link.net...
This started out as my yearly complaint against 40 SSB operation but I
started thinking about why the uSA should still be discriminated against
on
SSB on virtually all HF bands.

I understand that years ago Dx stations ran very modest rigs and often did
not have antennas
to compete with most USA stations. But today there is absolutely no
reason
for safe harbor for DX.

Tonight and early this AM I listened to HF0QF work DX on 40 SSB. I and
several other USA stations started calling him on CW asking him to listen
up
for USA. I know he heard us because
he was S8 to 9 here and only S5 to 6 in Europe. One W3 asked I2ZGC who
was
helping him why he never listened up. He told him his signal was good and
next time USA won't have as much patience and will put a CW pile up on his
frequency.

All I want is to have a chance to work SSB DX on 40. Dxpeditions usually
listen up (those who say QRM is too much will not wash!!!). Many of us
use
beams and quads so we can make it through. All Dx stations (rare and
semi
rare) should give some time to working USA on 40 SSB split up. Otherwise
someone will propose that we be able to operate on 7050 to 7100 SSB and
this
time the FCC will listen as they are into deregulation.

My two cents worth
Dave K4JRB


It would not be practical to let the USA SSB operators into 7.050 to 7.100
along with all the digital communications that go there too. That's too
narrow a band for so many people. However the last international conference
decreed that the foreign broadcasts must move out of 7.100 to 7.200 within
just a few years and that this segment will also become exclusively amateur
world wide. At that time, the USA and the rest of the world will have a
common SSB segment from 7.150 to 7.200 that will not be crowding the digital
folks. Hopefully the amateur community will continue its work and get the
rest of what the US enjoys (up to 7.300) also allocated to amateurs world
wide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:30 GMT, "David L Thompson"
wrote:

All Dx stations (rare and semi rare) should give some time
to working USA on 40 SSB split up.

I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

73, Jim KH2D

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:30 GMT, "David L Thompson"
wrote:

All Dx stations (rare and semi rare) should give some time
to working USA on 40 SSB split up.

I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

73, Jim KH2D

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:30 GMT, "David L Thompson"
wrote:

All Dx stations (rare and semi rare) should give some time
to working USA on 40 SSB split up.

I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

73, Jim KH2D

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:05:30 GMT, "David L Thompson"
wrote:

All Dx stations (rare and semi rare) should give some time
to working USA on 40 SSB split up.

I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

73, Jim KH2D

BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))
But, we can expect that this will improve..

See ya.

Chris, 9A5K/K5CRO


"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

It would not be practical to let the USA SSB operators into 7.050 to 7.100
along with all the digital communications that go there too. That's too
narrow a band for so many people. However the last international
conference
decreed that the foreign broadcasts must move out of 7.100 to 7.200 within
just a few years and that this segment will also become exclusively
amateur
world wide. At that time, the USA and the rest of the world will have a
common SSB segment from 7.150 to 7.200 that will not be crowding the
digital
folks. Hopefully the amateur community will continue its work and get the
rest of what the US enjoys (up to 7.300) also allocated to amateurs world
wide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))
But, we can expect that this will improve..

See ya.

Chris, 9A5K/K5CRO


"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
gy.com...

It would not be practical to let the USA SSB operators into 7.050 to 7.100
along with all the digital communications that go there too. That's too
narrow a band for so many people. However the last international
conference
decreed that the foreign broadcasts must move out of 7.100 to 7.200 within
just a few years and that this segment will also become exclusively
amateur
world wide. At that time, the USA and the rest of the world will have a
common SSB segment from 7.150 to 7.200 that will not be crowding the
digital
folks. Hopefully the amateur community will continue its work and get the
rest of what the US enjoys (up to 7.300) also allocated to amateurs world
wide.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

Kreso wrote:
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

(I read about that elsewhere; congratulations and welcome!

W stations are going to have to be sure to learn to listen on their own
transmit frequency as well as in 7050-7100 when working contests on 40m
phone. Really they already should be listening there. Last time I made
a serious effort on 40 phone (admittedly about three years ago) a couple
of KP4s and other Caribbean stations, and a pair of VKs, called me on my
own transmit frequency. (I didn't know VK's could transmit up there!))

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))

grin!
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Kreso wrote:
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

(I read about that elsewhere; congratulations and welcome!

W stations are going to have to be sure to learn to listen on their own
transmit frequency as well as in 7050-7100 when working contests on 40m
phone. Really they already should be listening there. Last time I made
a serious effort on 40 phone (admittedly about three years ago) a couple
of KP4s and other Caribbean stations, and a pair of VKs, called me on my
own transmit frequency. (I didn't know VK's could transmit up there!))

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))

grin!
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

wrote:
I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

(hear, hear...)

Seriously, it bothers me to read here, or in the comments on DX Summit,
when someone here in the States or in Europe decides they don't like the
frequency selection of a DX station. It's a hobby, darn it, and the DX
is operating when and where they can have a good time doing so.

Yes, 15 meters is open to Europe right now. Yes, there are Europeans
who need Cheatham County for USACA. Does that mean I'm a lid because
I'm sitting here typing on the Internet instead of working DX?
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

wrote:
I think all DX stations that pay for their own radio and put up
their own antenna should operate where and how they damn
well please......

(hear, hear...)

Seriously, it bothers me to read here, or in the comments on DX Summit,
when someone here in the States or in Europe decides they don't like the
frequency selection of a DX station. It's a hobby, darn it, and the DX
is operating when and where they can have a good time doing so.

Yes, 15 meters is open to Europe right now. Yes, there are Europeans
who need Cheatham County for USACA. Does that mean I'm a lid because
I'm sitting here typing on the Internet instead of working DX?
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

In article , Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
Kreso wrote:
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

(I read about that elsewhere; congratulations and welcome!

W stations are going to have to be sure to learn to listen on their own
transmit frequency as well as in 7050-7100 when working contests on 40m
phone. Really they already should be listening there. Last time I made
a serious effort on 40 phone (admittedly about three years ago) a couple
of KP4s and other Caribbean stations, and a pair of VKs, called me on my
own transmit frequency. (I didn't know VK's could transmit up there!))


We sure can!!
look at http://www.wia.org.au/bandplans/Aust...Band_Plans.pdf

Cheers,
Steve.
VK2TUM

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))

grin!

In article , Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
Kreso wrote:
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

(I read about that elsewhere; congratulations and welcome!

W stations are going to have to be sure to learn to listen on their own
transmit frequency as well as in 7050-7100 when working contests on 40m
phone. Really they already should be listening there. Last time I made
a serious effort on 40 phone (admittedly about three years ago) a couple
of KP4s and other Caribbean stations, and a pair of VKs, called me on my
own transmit frequency. (I didn't know VK's could transmit up there!))


We sure can!!
look at http://www.wia.org.au/bandplans/Aust...Band_Plans.pdf

Cheers,
Steve.
VK2TUM

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))

grin!

"Kreso" wrote in message
...
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))
But, we can expect that this will improve..

See ya.

Chris, 9A5K/K5CRO


Fantastic news. Just remember that the US stations have to stay above 7.150
for SSB if you want to work the US without going split (7.101 for example
won't be any different for us than the current situation, we'd still have to
go split).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Kreso" wrote in message
...
BTW. just a short info that Croatian (9A) stations are allowed to
transmit also in 40m band segment between 7.100 and 7.200 as of
26th December 2003. when we got new regulations from telecommunication
authorities.

However, many European "police" stations says "TX out of band" when
you start CQing at 7.101 for example...:-))
But, we can expect that this will improve..

See ya.

Chris, 9A5K/K5CRO


Fantastic news. Just remember that the US stations have to stay above 7.150
for SSB if you want to work the US without going split (7.101 for example
won't be any different for us than the current situation, we'd still have to
go split).

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"David L Thompson" wrote in message
link.net...

Tonight and early this AM I listened to HF0QF work DX on 40 SSB. I and
several other USA stations started calling him on CW asking him to listen
up
for USA. I know he heard us because
he was S8 to 9 here and only S5 to 6 in Europe. Dave K4JRB


You answered your own question. The guy wanted to talk with
friends, not hand out contacts and cards to stateside. Seems
simple to me. Its a hobby.

Pete

"David L Thompson" wrote in message
link.net...

Tonight and early this AM I listened to HF0QF work DX on 40 SSB. I and
several other USA stations started calling him on CW asking him to listen
up
for USA. I know he heard us because
he was S8 to 9 here and only S5 to 6 in Europe. Dave K4JRB


You answered your own question. The guy wanted to talk with
friends, not hand out contacts and cards to stateside. Seems
simple to me. Its a hobby.

Pete