(here's what happens when one decides to stop participating in a pileup,
and listen to it instead:

http://www.w9wi.com/tvdb/channels/dxshame.htm

)
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

In article , lid wrote:
(here's what happens when one decides to stop participating in a pileup,
and listen to it instead:

http://www.w9wi.com/tvdb/channels/dxshame.htm

)

Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

In article , lid wrote:
(here's what happens when one decides to stop participating in a pileup,
and listen to it instead:

http://www.w9wi.com/tvdb/channels/dxshame.htm

)

Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.
- Being an "UP" station.

Kinda like equating inadvertently transmitting your call once on 7.060
SSB because you forgot to press SPLIT, and being a freebander.

Guess this explains why this kind of calling out-of-turn continues: dare
to expose it, and get slammed.....
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.
- Being an "UP" station.

Kinda like equating inadvertently transmitting your call once on 7.060
SSB because you forgot to press SPLIT, and being a freebander.

Guess this explains why this kind of calling out-of-turn continues: dare
to expose it, and get slammed.....
--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com

In article , lid wrote:
Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is
wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need
T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.
- Being an "UP" station.

Kinda like equating inadvertently transmitting your call once on 7.060
SSB because you forgot to press SPLIT, and being a freebander.

Guess this explains why this kind of calling out-of-turn continues: dare
to expose it, and get slammed.....

My intent was to point out the "first stone" principle. Memorializing the
operating habits of others on your "wall of shame" is a bit hypocritical
unless your own operating habits are beyond reproach. Did you ask for these
stations permission before you included their call signs, or did you "slam"
them without considering their side of the issue?

I can understand the desire to work a new dx-pedition, but I usually wait
until after the first few days while the more avid of the bunch determine
"who's is bigger". There is usually plenty of time to work the dx-pedition
without trashing up the bands with huge, unruly pile-ups. In fact, it seems
to me that most dx-peditions begin to sound lonely in the final days of their
operations. If you already have it confirmed and don't plan to QSL anyway,
why not wait until then to get your contact? ...unless you need to prove
something....

Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

In article , lid wrote:
Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is
wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need
T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.
- Being an "UP" station.

Kinda like equating inadvertently transmitting your call once on 7.060
SSB because you forgot to press SPLIT, and being a freebander.

Guess this explains why this kind of calling out-of-turn continues: dare
to expose it, and get slammed.....

My intent was to point out the "first stone" principle. Memorializing the
operating habits of others on your "wall of shame" is a bit hypocritical
unless your own operating habits are beyond reproach. Did you ask for these
stations permission before you included their call signs, or did you "slam"
them without considering their side of the issue?

I can understand the desire to work a new dx-pedition, but I usually wait
until after the first few days while the more avid of the bunch determine
"who's is bigger". There is usually plenty of time to work the dx-pedition
without trashing up the bands with huge, unruly pile-ups. In fact, it seems
to me that most dx-peditions begin to sound lonely in the final days of their
operations. If you already have it confirmed and don't plan to QSL anyway,
why not wait until then to get your contact? ...unless you need to prove
something....

Spammers - reply freely and often to my e-mail address
Everyone else - look me up on qrz.com

Peace - Those rare moments in history when everyone is rearming....

Doug Smith W9WI said :

Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.

OK, this is a real pet peeve of mine. If you've got a rare entity
confirmed on a particular band/mode, do everybody a favour and PLEASE
don't call the next DXpedition to that entity on those bands/modes
until they're essentially begging for Q's!

You'll never hear me calling any operation to VP6D or 3B9 or E30, etc,
on any band/mode that I have them confirmed already. It's not fair to
anybody who still needs them. Sure, I'll call them on bands/mods I
don't alreay have, and maybe give a call on their last day or so if
they're lonely, but that's it.

That said, thank you to whoever started the thread. Calling out of
turn is another sign of a true LID, and exposing LIDS is not something
we should shy away from, IMHO. Publicly shaming LIDS may be the only
form of discipline that's effective to these imbeciles.

I'm not referring to those who occasionally slip up; we're human, we
all make mistakes once in a while. I'm talking about the chronic
cretins who are the frequency cops, the SPLEEEEETers, those 2s in New
Jersey who call when the DX is asking for the west coast, wannabe
tail-enders who stomp over stations who are being worked, CTs, EAs, Is
and OKs (etc, etc) who climb over each other like jackals when the DX
is asking for North America only (and vice-versa) and/or who crank
their mic gain and processing knobs up to 11.

Hell, let's set up a Hall Of Shame - a permanent record of those who
are *egregious* violators. It would take 10 nominations, from
different operators, to qualify, but once there you're there for all
time, for all to see, point and laugh at.



73 de Peter, W2IRT
(ex-AB2NZ, VE3THX)

Please reply to Double-you Two Eye Are Tee at Arrl.net

Doug Smith W9WI said :

Phil wrote:
Thank you for the sermon and the finger-pointing. Of course, quoting from
your site, "After concluding I probably wasn't going to break the pile of
Europeans (and realizing I don't need T33 on 20m CW) " I think it is wonderful
that you contributed for a while to the pile up so those of us who do need T33
can have a greater sense of accomplishment when (if) we ever do break that
pile up. Do you also help us out by yelling "up up" on the dx's frequency?

That's a pretty huge jump...

- Calling a DX station who you've not worked before, but who's in a
country you have worked.

OK, this is a real pet peeve of mine. If you've got a rare entity
confirmed on a particular band/mode, do everybody a favour and PLEASE
don't call the next DXpedition to that entity on those bands/modes
until they're essentially begging for Q's!

You'll never hear me calling any operation to VP6D or 3B9 or E30, etc,
on any band/mode that I have them confirmed already. It's not fair to
anybody who still needs them. Sure, I'll call them on bands/mods I
don't alreay have, and maybe give a call on their last day or so if
they're lonely, but that's it.

That said, thank you to whoever started the thread. Calling out of
turn is another sign of a true LID, and exposing LIDS is not something
we should shy away from, IMHO. Publicly shaming LIDS may be the only
form of discipline that's effective to these imbeciles.

I'm not referring to those who occasionally slip up; we're human, we
all make mistakes once in a while. I'm talking about the chronic
cretins who are the frequency cops, the SPLEEEEETers, those 2s in New
Jersey who call when the DX is asking for the west coast, wannabe
tail-enders who stomp over stations who are being worked, CTs, EAs, Is
and OKs (etc, etc) who climb over each other like jackals when the DX
is asking for North America only (and vice-versa) and/or who crank
their mic gain and processing knobs up to 11.

Hell, let's set up a Hall Of Shame - a permanent record of those who
are *egregious* violators. It would take 10 nominations, from
different operators, to qualify, but once there you're there for all
time, for all to see, point and laugh at.



73 de Peter, W2IRT
(ex-AB2NZ, VE3THX)

Please reply to Double-you Two Eye Are Tee at Arrl.net

Phil wrote:

My intent was to point out the "first stone" principle.

And we don't care. Get a call and a valid e-mail address and then we can
talk.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in
a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!'