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ARRL Walks Away From Bandwidth Restrictions
The Newsline says that ARRL will give up its bandwidth restriction
idea. This is in the current news. RESTRUCTURING: REACTING TO THE ARRL BANDWIDTH PROPOSAL An ARRL proposal to restructure Amateur Radio along bandwidth lines has caused a lot of discussion in the nations ham community. And it may cause the League to rethink its position. Amateur Radio Newsline's Mark Abramowicz, NT3V, is in Philadelphia, and has the rest of the story: -- Shortly after the ARRL began circulating the proposal and posted it on its website, the e-mails, phone calls, HF, VHF, and digital-mode traffic took off. And now, Amateur Radio Newsline has learned the bandwidth proposal may be tabled for more study when the ARRL's executive committee meets next month. That confirmation comes from W6OBB in Nevada. If the call sign isn't familiar, the name behind it might be. He's Art Bell, host of the weekend edition of "Coast to Coast AM" heard on more than 500 commercial radio stations across the nation. Bell, who joined the fight against Broadband Over Powerlines several months ago, and featured the subject on his radio program, expressed concern about what he called a Draconian proposal that would over- regulate the ham bands. Bell tells me he relayed that concern in a phone call to ARRL President Jim Haynie W5JBP. Bell characterizes the discussion as cordial and at the end, he says Haynie related he was re-evaluating the proposal based on many comments he had received. "He indicated to me and told me I could pass on to you that they're looking into pulling this whole thing back and taking a harder look at it," Bell says. While Bell says he believes the ARRL had good intentions with the proposal, it may have gone too far. "What began as an examination by the League of how we could possibly encourage the digital mode, it went a little too far and began to over-regulate," Bell says. "I'd kind of like to see it go the other way and I'd like to see our bands freed up." Haynie says he's gotten a lot of feedback on the proposal. He says it came from the League's desire to promote - not restrict - innovation and experimentation. He says it was also a response the Federal Communications Commission's desire to see more innovation from the ham community. "I think we rose to the challenge," Haynie says. "We have demonstrated Software Defined Radio that just knocked their socks off, in my view. "We have come up with some other stuff - Joe Taylor and some of his things for moon bounce. And I think the Amateur Radio community needed a wake-up call is what they needed and I think that's what we've gotten and were given." Haynie says it's clear the digital modes like RTTY and PSK 31 need attention. "Where do we want to go to the future?" Haynie asks. "And, as I mentioned a couple of years ago, I took my model 28ASR and took it to the scrap man. But that's the standard that's used today is 850Hz shift at 45 baud. "Well, we don't do too much of that. I'm not saying there's not RTTY enthusiasts out there, there are and I appreciate that and I know that and I want to protect their rights to do those things." Art Bell says he and others don't object to digital innovation. But he doesn't think the proposal hits the mark. "There are many with differing interests who are not too pleased with the proposal and, on the face of it, it simply does not make sense," Bell says. "I agree that we should encourage the digital modes and development, but we shouldn't try to push something into place that is not techincally ready to happen yet." Restricting bandwidth, Bell says, won't promote innovation. "Why do we have to cut and slice and dice and regulate," Bell says. Why not just let anybody virtually go anywhere and let all of us just live together with some gentlemen's agreements which we have now and which work very, very well on most bands? "So with that in mind, look at the Canadians. The Canadians have a 6khz limit and they can go anywhere on the band they want from the bottom to the top. And I don't see why that would not apply and work well in America." Haynie says he wants to hear more from hams and he's encouraging all of us to get into the FCC's Part 97 rules and share input on the proposal at the ARRL's website, that's ARRL-dot-org. "Look at the rule book and see what's there now, "Haynie says. "And, is there something that could be changed that would allow a new technology to be developed, then that's what we want to know." For the Amateur Radio Newsline, I'm Mark Abramowicz, NT3V, in Philadelphia. -- More on the ARRL proposal and reaction to it in upcoming Amateur Radio Newsline reports. (ARNewsline(tm)) |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! Since most of us in this newsgroup are fully aware that almost all of the ARRL officials are volunteers and work for free, you have succeeded only in exposing yourself as the ignorant troll that you obviously are. Nice try...and now it is my pleasure to cordially invite you to try the rec.radio.cb newsgroup, where you will fit in much better and might even become a respected regular, given enough time. John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! Since most of us in this newsgroup are fully aware that almost all of the ARRL officials are volunteers and work for free, you have succeeded only in exposing yourself as the ignorant troll that you obviously are. Nice try...and now it is my pleasure to cordially invite you to try the rec.radio.cb newsgroup, where you will fit in much better and might even become a respected regular, given enough time. John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 05:29:24 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! _________________________________________________ ________ The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this point-and-click crap that's so easy even a child could do it, you had to learn how to type, you had to learn about filenames and extensions, you had to learn how to use a keyboard. Today's trolls are spoiled because all they have to do is click their little mouse. Windows is going to be the end of trolling as we know it, mark my words. They ought to bring back DOS. That's what separated the real McCoys from the wanna-be's back in the good old days - DOS. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and fix it. These trolls of today don't know squat about DOS, and when they end up trashing their Windows they have to haul their computer off to a club meeting to get a REAL troll to fix it. DOS works when nothing else will work, that's why they should never have gotten rid of it. Windows just made the Apple and Commodore riffraff from years ago think they are real computer users. Bring back DOS and let 'em all go back to their Commode Door 64 where they belong. 73 de John, KC2HMZ, Tonawanda, NY Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. |
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 05:29:24 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote: On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:43:43 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: ARRL, of by and for the former CB and now ham appliance operator. ARRL, a dying organization, whose officials will grab all the money they can before ARRL finally goes belly up. ARRL loves suckers who keep mailing in membership dues to a do nothing orgainization to line the pockets of ARRL officials. ARRL, an organization that screws ham operators at every turn, if it means putting another dime in the pocket of ARRL officials. Send your dues in suckers! _________________________________________________ ________ The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this point-and-click crap that's so easy even a child could do it, you had to learn how to type, you had to learn about filenames and extensions, you had to learn how to use a keyboard. Today's trolls are spoiled because all they have to do is click their little mouse. Windows is going to be the end of trolling as we know it, mark my words. They ought to bring back DOS. That's what separated the real McCoys from the wanna-be's back in the good old days - DOS. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and fix it. These trolls of today don't know squat about DOS, and when they end up trashing their Windows they have to haul their computer off to a club meeting to get a REAL troll to fix it. DOS works when nothing else will work, that's why they should never have gotten rid of it. Windows just made the Apple and Commodore riffraff from years ago think they are real computer users. Bring back DOS and let 'em all go back to their Commode Door 64 where they belong. 73 de John, KC2HMZ, Tonawanda, NY Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
KWM442X wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
KWM442X wrote:
Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
Understood!
KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
Understood!
KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... KWM442X wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Smart as you are, you should be able to come up with something better. |
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:07:27 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Buy a new brain, sucker -- obviously the one you have is capable of remembering only one snotty retort. Send in your dues Sucker! "John Kasupski" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:07:27 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote:
Buy a new brain, sucker -- obviously the one you have is capable of remembering only one snotty retort. Send in your dues Sucker! "John Kasupski" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:51:37 -0400, "KWM442X" wrote: Send in your dues Sucker! Already taken care of. I'm sure we can safely assume that your annual dues to the United States CB Association have been paid in full? John Kasupski, Tonawanda, New York Amateur Radio (KC2HMZ), SWL/Scanner Monitoring (KNY2VS) Member of ARES/RACES, ARATS, WUN, ARRL WNY PIO http://www.qsl.net/kc2fng E-Mails Ignored, Please Post Replies In This Newsgroup |
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"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I say we re-activate the 14.313 kook wars of year's past. Perhaps even parts of 75 Meters as well. Ratchet up the QRM and goofyness on the HF bands, that will no doubt draw-off much of the mayhem from off of the NG's. Just be sure to not use your callsign and RH will not bother you. |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message ... The quality of trolling on this newsgroup is getting worse every day. What can be done to improve it? Troll schools? Troll certification? Troll Elmers? What???? I say we re-activate the 14.313 kook wars of year's past. Perhaps even parts of 75 Meters as well. Ratchet up the QRM and goofyness on the HF bands, that will no doubt draw-off much of the mayhem from off of the NG's. Just be sure to not use your callsign and RH will not bother you. |
On 2004-09-07, John Kasupski wrote:
I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this DOS -- Ha, back in the good old days you had to know UNIX, and needed to modify the sourcecode for your neswreader before it would even compile on your system. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and crash, won't boot -- what's that all about? I run Linux, havnt had a os crash since May 1999, when I switched. Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. hi hi.... -- Alex / AB2RC |
On 2004-09-07, John Kasupski wrote:
I agree. It's way too easy to become a troll these days. Back in the old days, you had to learn DOS commands first. None of this DOS -- Ha, back in the good old days you had to know UNIX, and needed to modify the sourcecode for your neswreader before it would even compile on your system. Besides, what happens in an emergency? Your computer crashes and Windows won't boot, you need to know DOS in order to get in there and crash, won't boot -- what's that all about? I run Linux, havnt had a os crash since May 1999, when I switched. Disclaimer: Any apparent similarity to the code/no-code argument is pure coincidence and is completely unintentional. hi hi.... -- Alex / AB2RC |
Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." ....because I like to support monopolists and pay a lot of money - and I am proud of it |
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"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." ....because I like to support monopolists and pay a lot of money - and I am proud of it |
Walt Davidson wrote:
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." So you run a business? Otherwise this kind of reasoning is rather pitiful for someone using the computer as a hobby. Hams used to be on the forefront of technology, these days they are mere consumers. Linux ist the best way to *understand* computers, use them as a tool for ham radio operation, get your hands dirty with source code, look under the hood, argue with developpers and do things that no commercial software company is willing to give to them. And yet all hams do is cry "Windows, Windows, Windows" and they are proud if their system doesn't crash for one year, instead of making it crash so hard that people can make it better. Windows is a security nighmare, it's a usability nightmare and it's money thrown at a company that doesn't care about its customers. Instead, they try to do whatever is possible to keep a monopoly, force inferior standards upon the unwashed masses and keep you locked into a proprietary system that you have no control over it. And you are glad to pay for it. Great attitude, Walt. Go back a couple of years, say like 30 years, and think about that: Some Kenwood guy comes to your doorstep and hands you a brandnew TS 820 and tells you: Here is that rig, it's free and you can do with it what you want. Here is all the technical details, all the manuals, the complete documentation, together with a free support line to the guys who built it. We value your input, because we realize that it's not perfect, but we want to make it as perfect as possible and to do that we need your input. Please use it, abuse it, use all modes, fiddle with the dials, send us your ideas for improvement and we will definitely consider them and we do that we will tell you what it is that we did with your suggestions. And when the new TS930 is ready, we will send it to your doorstep, free of charge and will thank you for your valuable assistance in making a better product. *That* is what Linux is about. It's not about the "better" system, it's about a system that let's you participate in a technical revolution that has changed the world. Peter Lemken Berlin PS: If you want to see what Open Source can do to your favorite hobby, take a look at Elecraft's K2. They do what I described above and the result is an outstanding piece of equipment, because they value input from their customers. Their documentation is as good as it gets. PS2: The line about "excellent network/internet software" is about the best joke I've ever heard. -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Walt Davidson wrote:
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." So you run a business? Otherwise this kind of reasoning is rather pitiful for someone using the computer as a hobby. Hams used to be on the forefront of technology, these days they are mere consumers. Linux ist the best way to *understand* computers, use them as a tool for ham radio operation, get your hands dirty with source code, look under the hood, argue with developpers and do things that no commercial software company is willing to give to them. And yet all hams do is cry "Windows, Windows, Windows" and they are proud if their system doesn't crash for one year, instead of making it crash so hard that people can make it better. Windows is a security nighmare, it's a usability nightmare and it's money thrown at a company that doesn't care about its customers. Instead, they try to do whatever is possible to keep a monopoly, force inferior standards upon the unwashed masses and keep you locked into a proprietary system that you have no control over it. And you are glad to pay for it. Great attitude, Walt. Go back a couple of years, say like 30 years, and think about that: Some Kenwood guy comes to your doorstep and hands you a brandnew TS 820 and tells you: Here is that rig, it's free and you can do with it what you want. Here is all the technical details, all the manuals, the complete documentation, together with a free support line to the guys who built it. We value your input, because we realize that it's not perfect, but we want to make it as perfect as possible and to do that we need your input. Please use it, abuse it, use all modes, fiddle with the dials, send us your ideas for improvement and we will definitely consider them and we do that we will tell you what it is that we did with your suggestions. And when the new TS930 is ready, we will send it to your doorstep, free of charge and will thank you for your valuable assistance in making a better product. *That* is what Linux is about. It's not about the "better" system, it's about a system that let's you participate in a technical revolution that has changed the world. Peter Lemken Berlin PS: If you want to see what Open Source can do to your favorite hobby, take a look at Elecraft's K2. They do what I described above and the result is an outstanding piece of equipment, because they value input from their customers. Their documentation is as good as it gets. PS2: The line about "excellent network/internet software" is about the best joke I've ever heard. -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On 8 Sep 2004 15:42:06 GMT, (Peter Lemken) wrote: Hams used to be on the forefront of technology, these days they are mere consumers. I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. Do you use your computer for ham radio? PS: If you want to see what Open Source can do to your favorite hobby, take a look at Elecraft's K2. They do what I described above and the result is an outstanding piece of equipment, because they value input from their customers. Their documentation is as good as it gets. What does this have to do with Linux vs Windows? It seems you have never heard of the term Open Source Software and what makes it so fundamentally different from proprietary sofware. Sad. Take a look how Elecraft develops its products, how they treat their customers, value their input and improve their product by taking community feedback into account. Compare to Icom. PS2: Play Station 2? Runs with Linux, yes. The line about "excellent network/internet software" is about the best joke I've ever heard. No joke. Oh. Just cluelessness then. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On 8 Sep 2004 15:42:06 GMT, (Peter Lemken) wrote: Hams used to be on the forefront of technology, these days they are mere consumers. I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. Do you use your computer for ham radio? PS: If you want to see what Open Source can do to your favorite hobby, take a look at Elecraft's K2. They do what I described above and the result is an outstanding piece of equipment, because they value input from their customers. Their documentation is as good as it gets. What does this have to do with Linux vs Windows? It seems you have never heard of the term Open Source Software and what makes it so fundamentally different from proprietary sofware. Sad. Take a look how Elecraft develops its products, how they treat their customers, value their input and improve their product by taking community feedback into account. Compare to Icom. PS2: Play Station 2? Runs with Linux, yes. The line about "excellent network/internet software" is about the best joke I've ever heard. No joke. Oh. Just cluelessness then. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
On 2004-09-08, Peter Lemken wrote:
Go back a couple of years, say like 30 years, and think about that: Some Kenwood guy comes to your doorstep and hands you a brandnew TS 820 and tells you: Here is that rig, it's free and you can do with it what you want. Here is all the technical details, all the manuals, the complete documentation, together with a free support line to the guys who built it. We value your input, because we realize that it's not perfect, but we want to make it as perfect as possible and to do that we need your input. Please use it, abuse it, use all modes, fiddle with the dials, send us your ideas for improvement and we will definitely consider them and we do that we will tell you what it is that we did with your suggestions. And when the new TS930 is ready, we will send it to your doorstep, free of charge and will thank you for your valuable assistance in making a better product. *That* is what Linux is about. This is the best comparison (ham radio/linux) that I have ever read, but you forgot to add a few things, they include all of the tools and spare parts that you need to make as many of the new radios that you want. It's not about the "better" system, it's about a system that let's you participate in a technical revolution that has changed the world. I prefer: "It's not about the 'better' system, but about making the system better" -- Alex / AB2RC |
On 2004-09-08, Peter Lemken wrote:
Go back a couple of years, say like 30 years, and think about that: Some Kenwood guy comes to your doorstep and hands you a brandnew TS 820 and tells you: Here is that rig, it's free and you can do with it what you want. Here is all the technical details, all the manuals, the complete documentation, together with a free support line to the guys who built it. We value your input, because we realize that it's not perfect, but we want to make it as perfect as possible and to do that we need your input. Please use it, abuse it, use all modes, fiddle with the dials, send us your ideas for improvement and we will definitely consider them and we do that we will tell you what it is that we did with your suggestions. And when the new TS930 is ready, we will send it to your doorstep, free of charge and will thank you for your valuable assistance in making a better product. *That* is what Linux is about. This is the best comparison (ham radio/linux) that I have ever read, but you forgot to add a few things, they include all of the tools and spare parts that you need to make as many of the new radios that you want. It's not about the "better" system, it's about a system that let's you participate in a technical revolution that has changed the world. I prefer: "It's not about the 'better' system, but about making the system better" -- Alex / AB2RC |
On 2004-09-08, Walt Davidson wrote:
I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. I happen to be both, and so are several of the linux kernel developers. -- Alex / AB2RC |
On 2004-09-08, Walt Davidson wrote:
I am a radio ham. Not a computer software engineer. I happen to be both, and so are several of the linux kernel developers. -- Alex / AB2RC |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On 8 Sep 2004 16:31:44 GMT, (Peter Lemken) wrote: Oh. Just cluelessness then. The arrogance of the Germans. Anyone who disagrees with them must be "clueless". Has it ever occurred to you that you might actually *be* clueless? Praising "Microsoft's excellent internet/networking software" is a good indicator that you are; Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and the MS "Firewall" being cases in point. We can take this to alt.flame or alt.bash.the.germans if you like; it's up to you, but do me a favor, don't try to sell me a Lincoln President as the perfect QSK rig. It'd be beneath you. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On 8 Sep 2004 16:31:44 GMT, (Peter Lemken) wrote: Oh. Just cluelessness then. The arrogance of the Germans. Anyone who disagrees with them must be "clueless". Has it ever occurred to you that you might actually *be* clueless? Praising "Microsoft's excellent internet/networking software" is a good indicator that you are; Internet Explorer, Outlook Express and the MS "Firewall" being cases in point. We can take this to alt.flame or alt.bash.the.germans if you like; it's up to you, but do me a favor, don't try to sell me a Lincoln President as the perfect QSK rig. It'd be beneath you. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." Ah! So you use a Mac! Heh.... A "...if one tolerates bad manners, they grow worse. I must find the oaf who did this thing, explain to him his offense, give him a chance to apologise, then kill him." (R.A. Heinlein, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls") |
Email: g3nyy @despammed.com
"I don't use Linux. I prefer to use an OS supported by a large multi- national vendor, with a good office suite, excellent network/internet software and decent hardware support." Ah! So you use a Mac! Heh.... A "...if one tolerates bad manners, they grow worse. I must find the oaf who did this thing, explain to him his offense, give him a chance to apologise, then kill him." (R.A. Heinlein, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls") |
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Walt Davidson wrote:
CB forever! Absolutely right, Bill. I have been down exactly the same road. Of course the ham advocates will simply tell us that we are "too stupid" or "too technically inept" to get their so-called HF-Dxing stuff working properly. It's a form of snobbery. Sounds right. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
Walt Davidson wrote:
CB forever! Absolutely right, Bill. I have been down exactly the same road. Of course the ham advocates will simply tell us that we are "too stupid" or "too technically inept" to get their so-called HF-Dxing stuff working properly. It's a form of snobbery. Sounds right. Peter Lemken DF5JT Berlin -- Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow, what a ride!' |
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