"W6DKN" wrote:
wrote:
Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder? If you
have built Heathkit, Elecraft or modified other radios like Yaesu,
Icom or Kenwood using solder containing lead you could join a
possible class action lawsuit against these corporations and their
harmful products that has put your life and family members life in
jeopardy. If you have radios or receipts or other proof then you
could join in this possible class action lawsuit. Please contact us
if you feel you are victim of these manufacturers and their products.



"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -- Henry VI, Part 2,
William Shakespeare

However, you probably want to look up the context. It is
something to the effect of, if you want to take over the
government, you have to kill all the lawyers, because they *are*
the government.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

"W6DKN" wrote:
wrote:
Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder? If you
have built Heathkit, Elecraft or modified other radios like Yaesu,
Icom or Kenwood using solder containing lead you could join a
possible class action lawsuit against these corporations and their
harmful products that has put your life and family members life in
jeopardy. If you have radios or receipts or other proof then you
could join in this possible class action lawsuit. Please contact us
if you feel you are victim of these manufacturers and their products.



"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." -- Henry VI, Part 2,
William Shakespeare

However, you probably want to look up the context. It is
something to the effect of, if you want to take over the
government, you have to kill all the lawyers, because they *are*
the government.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://web.newsguy.com/floyd_davidson
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder?
Please contact us if you feel you are victim of
these manufacturers and their products


No, never harmed by lead solder, but I've been harmed by lawyers. Wanna try a
class action suit against yourself?

:-A




"...if one tolerates bad manners, they grow worse. I must find the oaf who did
this thing, explain to him his offense, give him a chance to apologise, then
kill him." (R.A. Heinlein, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls")

Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder?
Please contact us if you feel you are victim of
these manufacturers and their products


No, never harmed by lead solder, but I've been harmed by lawyers. Wanna try a
class action suit against yourself?

:-A




"...if one tolerates bad manners, they grow worse. I must find the oaf who did
this thing, explain to him his offense, give him a chance to apologise, then
kill him." (R.A. Heinlein, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls")

In article ,
Michael Black wrote:

I suspect it's a joke. It's specifies a couple of kit manufacturers,
one of which has pretty much disappeared and the other one of the big
names nowadays, and talks of modifying commercial equipment, but says
nothing about those who actually build stuff with solder.

I hope you're right.

I fear, though, that it might be the sort of bottom-feeding "look for
any excuse, file a class-action suit against a bunch of deep-pocket
companies, and aim for an out-of-court settlement" sort of thing. The
deep-pocket companies (Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu look like the targets)
buy off the suit for a few million dollars (because the costs of
defending the suit, even successfully, would run to rather more than
that). The people suckered into agreeing to act as members of the
class end up filing claims and getting $0.50 each, and the lawyers
take at least a third of the total as fees.

Spoofs tend
to have that sort of narrowminded silliness about them. And it's
obvious to me that if anyone was liable, it would be the solder manufacturers
(or even the government for lax standards) and not specific kit manufacturers.

Alas, here in the United States, anybody can sue anyone over anything,
and force the defendants to shell out big bucks in legal fees. Even
if the defendants win, they may not be able to recover their legal
costs from the plaintiff.

It's distressingly common for lawyers to file "shotgun" liability
suits, including as defendants any party who had _any_ involvement in
the matter. In many states, if the plaintiff wins a judgement, and
most of the defendants have no money (e.g. the companies which are
bankrupt or nearly so), then any defendant _with_ money can be held
liable for the full judgement even if the court had found them only 1%
responsible for whatever damages occurred.

This is one reason why many companies "buy off" such lawsuits with an
out-of-court settlement which doesn't admit any liability. The
possible financial risk of losing the suit is often far too great.

A few puffs of solder when someone is taking a diode out of their rig
is not going to do anyone damage. Kit building does allow for more
contact with solder. But it's the build from scratch people who have
the most contact. I have little bits of solder all over the place, to
keep it handy just in case I need it or because I've had it in a pocket
or whatever.

You _do_ wash your hands before eating, if you've been handling it?

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

In article ,
Michael Black wrote:

I suspect it's a joke. It's specifies a couple of kit manufacturers,
one of which has pretty much disappeared and the other one of the big
names nowadays, and talks of modifying commercial equipment, but says
nothing about those who actually build stuff with solder.

I hope you're right.

I fear, though, that it might be the sort of bottom-feeding "look for
any excuse, file a class-action suit against a bunch of deep-pocket
companies, and aim for an out-of-court settlement" sort of thing. The
deep-pocket companies (Kenwood, Icom, and Yaesu look like the targets)
buy off the suit for a few million dollars (because the costs of
defending the suit, even successfully, would run to rather more than
that). The people suckered into agreeing to act as members of the
class end up filing claims and getting $0.50 each, and the lawyers
take at least a third of the total as fees.

Spoofs tend
to have that sort of narrowminded silliness about them. And it's
obvious to me that if anyone was liable, it would be the solder manufacturers
(or even the government for lax standards) and not specific kit manufacturers.

Alas, here in the United States, anybody can sue anyone over anything,
and force the defendants to shell out big bucks in legal fees. Even
if the defendants win, they may not be able to recover their legal
costs from the plaintiff.

It's distressingly common for lawyers to file "shotgun" liability
suits, including as defendants any party who had _any_ involvement in
the matter. In many states, if the plaintiff wins a judgement, and
most of the defendants have no money (e.g. the companies which are
bankrupt or nearly so), then any defendant _with_ money can be held
liable for the full judgement even if the court had found them only 1%
responsible for whatever damages occurred.

This is one reason why many companies "buy off" such lawsuits with an
out-of-court settlement which doesn't admit any liability. The
possible financial risk of losing the suit is often far too great.

A few puffs of solder when someone is taking a diode out of their rig
is not going to do anyone damage. Kit building does allow for more
contact with solder. But it's the build from scratch people who have
the most contact. I have little bits of solder all over the place, to
keep it handy just in case I need it or because I've had it in a pocket
or whatever.

You _do_ wash your hands before eating, if you've been handling it?

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

The so called no-lead solder (in my opinion) is worthless. I can't get it
solder to clean pc boards, component lead to lead or even leads to chassis.
Guess I need to put away the Weller SP-60 (let alone the 30 watt for pc
boards) and use "Big Bertha" (100 Watt American Beauty), too large a tip for
pc boards.

Just my observations.

Chuck

wrote in message
...
Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder? If you have
built
Heathkit, Elecraft or modified other radios like Yaesu, Icom or Kenwood
using
solder containing lead you could join a possible class action lawsuit
against
these corporations and their harmful products that has put your life and
family
members life in jeopardy.
If you have radios or receipts or other proof then you could join in this
possible class action lawsuit. Please contact us if you feel you are
victim of
these manufacturers and their products.

The so called no-lead solder (in my opinion) is worthless. I can't get it
solder to clean pc boards, component lead to lead or even leads to chassis.
Guess I need to put away the Weller SP-60 (let alone the 30 watt for pc
boards) and use "Big Bertha" (100 Watt American Beauty), too large a tip for
pc boards.

Just my observations.

Chuck

wrote in message
...
Have you soldered parts or built radios using lead solder? If you have
built
Heathkit, Elecraft or modified other radios like Yaesu, Icom or Kenwood
using
solder containing lead you could join a possible class action lawsuit
against
these corporations and their harmful products that has put your life and
family
members life in jeopardy.
If you have radios or receipts or other proof then you could join in this
possible class action lawsuit. Please contact us if you feel you are
victim of
these manufacturers and their products.

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:43:54 -0700, Dr. John
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:12:11 GMT, belch-spoke these words:

Well no, but I have been harmed by snakes, I mean lawyers. Can we get a
class action suit against lawyers? Lawyers have done more harm than
solder. So let's start with a class action against lawyers.

So many things wrong with that statement.... cant compute....errr. beep.

John

I think his statement is perfectly clear. All Lawyers are SELF
SERVING.. If we did not have these PARASITES chaseing
every AMBULANCE the Doctors may continue to practice..

Just My Opinion..

Bob

On Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:43:54 -0700, Dr. John
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:12:11 GMT, belch-spoke these words:

Well no, but I have been harmed by snakes, I mean lawyers. Can we get a
class action suit against lawyers? Lawyers have done more harm than
solder. So let's start with a class action against lawyers.

So many things wrong with that statement.... cant compute....errr. beep.

John

I think his statement is perfectly clear. All Lawyers are SELF
SERVING.. If we did not have these PARASITES chaseing
every AMBULANCE the Doctors may continue to practice..

Just My Opinion..

Bob