"Sparky" wrote in message
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"L." wrote in message
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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Slow Code wrote:
Step 2: The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

If 85% is good, wouldn't 100% be better?

Step 3: Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for
Extra.

If 13/20 is good, wouldn't 30 wpm be better?
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73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

I had quit following this mundane thread for a while, looking in only on
occasion. I must wonder - it is being "recommended" "apparently" by "slow
code" to raise the CW rates to 13wpm General and 20wpm Extra.
DUH - we "were" there already.

I've said before and I'll say it again. I'm not a "code" lover, but I've
learned it and used it and sometimes listen to it. Will it save a life?
Probably not - but still - the chance is there just the same as for any
other mode. You use what you have available. CODE did NOT keep the crap
off the ham bands, so to put it back in or KEEP it in, is sort of useless
to argue about. While "I" think 5 wpm is about as easy as you're going to
get - it seems far too many still cry about it. Yes, you could make the
written tests tougher - but that sucks too - because in a sense - they're
"not" any tougher when you're being given the answers in a book. And most
of those books cover "just" enough to pass the exams - they by no means
"teach" you electronics. In days gone by - you had to have at least a
basic grasp of electronics to be able to pass the exams. I'm not saying
you had to be a "Technician" with years of experience - I'm saying you
had to know more than these books teach. At that time - you had NO clue
what the FCC would ask. I've still got sample study guides sent by the
FCC if asked - and they were "vague".

CODE, EXAMS - nothing will keep the riffraff off the bands. This is a
lawless society anymore - people do as they damned well please. CB got
quiet in many areas not due to Cell Phones - it happened long before. It
happened in many places based on what I've learned - because of the
garbage. Ham will be the same way if it isn't respected. We're in a NO
WIN situation.

I find it amazing, people with illegal amps and radios will defend them
to the hilt - like a murderer caught with a smoking gun - claiming
his/her innocence. If the government agency deems them illegal - then
they are - no excuses. Just like the speed laws - if the road is marked
25, that is what it is - plain and simple. If we all took responsbility
for our actions - maybe things wouldn't be so damned bad. I know lots of
cbers who got out of cb BECAUSE those with the illegal amps and radios
"splashed" so bad, they couldn't even talk on the radio. So, tell me
again - how those illegal radios and amps are helping? Hams have a rule
of using the minimum necessary to carry out the communications. IT DOES
WORK! QRP (Low Power) is part of the challenge! 500- 1000 watts or more -
any dummy can do. If you want to be known as an "Alligator" station - ALL
mouth and NO ears.... keep using that garbage. Who wants to talk to them?
That is as irritating as static on an AM radio station. Listen to
Channel 6 on the CB - there is a guy who constantly talks - HOW he hears
anyone is beside me. I think he talks just to hear himself talk. AND
being he is in the south, he has to be running some power. If everyone
operated like that, the bands would be total chaos, no one talking to
anyone - only to themselves. How the FCC hasn't busted him yet - is
amazing.

Just my 2 cents.

L.


Remember the "No child left behind" policy of our educators of some years
ago? What you are seeing today is largely a result of that philosophy. No
responsibility, accountability or respect for others or oneself.

I worked as a radio dispatcher in the Air Force during my Sixties tour.
That was the foundation of my radio experience. I owned a CB set for a
year before I actually transmitted. The style was so alien and "cutesy" it
made me want to barf. Then the syntheisized 40 channel rigs came out and
everyone could afford one. End of CB for me.

I then went on to get my commercial ticket with radar endorsement. A year
later I got a ham ticket and two years later I got my Extra. Code does not
come easy for me. It was a constant uphill battle to pass the 20 wpm code
test. But eventually I passed it.

Turning on the radio today, there are still some good folks on ham radio
and not all of them are old timers. But a lot of the same types that
ruined CB and now ruining ham radio. I can't remember the last time that I
actually transmitted with my station. I'm about ready to sell it off and
chalk it up to history.

Amplifiers are not intrinsically bad. Abusing amplifiers is bad. If you
work 75 or 80 meter telephony, an amp is an absolute must have, especially
if you have a less than full size dipole at a decent height.

I enjoyed ham radio more when folks knew a bit about electronics. It gave
us something to talk about that we all hand in common. Ditto CW. No one
had more trouble learning CW than me, believe me. It still gives me a
headache to operate CW for more than a few minutes, but I wanted that
Extra Class ticket and that was the only way to get it back then.


Believe me, I'm not "knocking" amps, just the "evidenced" misuse (abuse) of
them. Yes, they "do" have their use and place. But most of those using them
"THINK" they have to "rule the airwaves" to converse. Their splattering
ruins it for ALL.

L.

I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?

New quote from Rush: "If I'm offensive, that's EVERYONE'S problem"

Brenda Ann wrote:
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Say no to institutionalized interference.
Just say NO to HD/IBOC!
"Slow Code" wrote in message
link.net...
But we need to improve the operators first.


Step 1: No more automatic renewals. Individuals must retest and
pass all elements required for their license class.

Step 2: The passing score for written exams needs to be raised to 85%.

Step 3: Code elements should be 13 wpm for General, and 20 wpm for Extra.

Step 4: Make the no-code license one year non-renewable.


Email these to President Bush and tell him you want to help with the war
on terror. Thanks.


He'd be more likely to declare ham radio a security risk and classify the
frequencies..

When I was HL9ACT, mobile operation was disallowed in South Korea. All
ham radio was disallowed in North Korea.

Under FDR, amateur radio was Disallowed in America.

jawod wrote:

I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?

Interesting. Liberals looks at drug abuse as a victimless crime, just
people need some help, free needles, methadone, and billions in drug
counseling and counseling centers.

All their rock and roll heroes and hollywood legends are stoned all of
the time.

But when Rush avails himself to to these legal views that the liberals
have put into place...

"he's a drugged-out loser."

wrote:
On 17 Sep 2006 14:51:55 -0700, wrote:


jawod wrote:

I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?

Interesting. Liberals looks at drug abuse as a victimless crime, just
people need some help, free needles, methadone, and billions in drug
counseling and counseling centers.

All their rock and roll heroes and hollywood legends are stoned all of
the time.

But when Rush avails himself to to these legal views that the liberals
have put into place...

"he's a drugged-out loser."
amazing hw that works

http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

Rush absolutely should have taken the same deal that the dems set up
for themselves and their "drugged-out" loser children. Wonder why jobs
go overseas? Few in America can pass a drug test.

wrote in message
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On 17 Sep 2006 14:51:55 -0700, wrote:


jawod wrote:

I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?

Interesting. Liberals looks at drug abuse as a victimless crime, just
people need some help, free needles, methadone, and billions in drug
counseling and counseling centers.

All their rock and roll heroes and hollywood legends are stoned all of
the time.

But when Rush avails himself to to these legal views that the liberals
have put into place...

"he's a drugged-out loser."
amazing hw that works

Libs are too non-linear to even realize how hypocritical they are.

Richard Crowley wrote:

wrote in message
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On 17 Sep 2006 14:51:55 -0700, wrote:


jawod wrote:


I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?




Libs are too non-linear to even realize how hypocritical they are.

Hmmm. A radio personality who railed against drugged out hippies and
"tree huggers" is caught in the act of illegally obtaining drugs for his
own use. Purchasing drugs in a parking lot with shoe boxes full of cash
for his local pusher.

Who is hypocritical? Linearity is a curious concept when applying it to
this obese fraud.

Al Franken had it right: "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot".

If YOU'RE offended that's YOUR problem.

jawod wrote in :

Richard Crowley wrote:

wrote in message
...

On 17 Sep 2006 14:51:55 -0700, wrote:


jawod wrote:


I like the way Rush Limbaugh puts it:

"If you're offended, that's your problem."

SC

Rush LIMBAUGH?!?

Do people still listen to that drugged-out loser?




Libs are too non-linear to even realize how hypocritical they are.

Hmmm. A radio personality who railed against drugged out hippies and
"tree huggers" is caught in the act of illegally obtaining drugs for his
own use. Purchasing drugs in a parking lot with shoe boxes full of cash
for his local pusher.

Who is hypocritical? Linearity is a curious concept when applying it to
this obese fraud.

Al Franken had it right: "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot".

If YOU'RE offended that's YOUR problem.


And you're a liberal k00k, hope you're not offended...

But if you are, that's your problem.

SC