Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.

So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows what type of diodes these
are likely to be and what kind of characteristics I should be looking
for in replacement parts.

Does anyone know anything about this dinosaur? Any help would be
appreciated.

Oh, BTW, the rest of the analyzer and frame work fine. I'm using a
borrowed 8553B plugin with it now and getting the results I'd hoped
for. While I don't plan on doing any critical work with it, the 8554B
is a more capable plugin and I do have to return the borrowed one...

Thanks much!

--
Eric F. Richards,
"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940

You might be able to substitute them with 1N5711s. It looks like somebody
must have accidently transmitted into this unit.
You can find these plug-ins at hamfests in the 50 to 100 dollar range now,
but the 5711s might at least get you started.

Pete

Eric F. Richards wrote in message
...
Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.

So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows what type of diodes these
are likely to be and what kind of characteristics I should be looking
for in replacement parts.

Does anyone know anything about this dinosaur? Any help would be
appreciated.

Oh, BTW, the rest of the analyzer and frame work fine. I'm using a
borrowed 8553B plugin with it now and getting the results I'd hoped
for. While I don't plan on doing any critical work with it, the 8554B
is a more capable plugin and I do have to return the borrowed one...

Thanks much!

--
Eric F. Richards,
"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940

"Pete KE9OA" wrote:

You might be able to substitute them with 1N5711s. It looks like somebody
must have accidently transmitted into this unit.
You can find these plug-ins at hamfests in the 50 to 100 dollar range now,
but the 5711s might at least get you started.

Pete


Pete,

I'm probably going to have to go this way since other suggestions have
appeared to be dead ends for now. Thanks for the suggestion. So...
is a '5711 a high-speed Schottkey? (I know, I can look it up, but my
connection is very slow right now...)

Thanks,

Eric

--
Eric F. Richards,
"This book reads like a headache on paper."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/readi...one/index.html

"Pete KE9OA" wrote:

You might be able to substitute them with 1N5711s. It looks like somebody
must have accidently transmitted into this unit.
You can find these plug-ins at hamfests in the 50 to 100 dollar range now,
but the 5711s might at least get you started.

Pete


Pete,

I'm probably going to have to go this way since other suggestions have
appeared to be dead ends for now. Thanks for the suggestion. So...
is a '5711 a high-speed Schottkey? (I know, I can look it up, but my
connection is very slow right now...)

Thanks,

Eric

--
Eric F. Richards,
"This book reads like a headache on paper."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/readi...one/index.html

You might be able to substitute them with 1N5711s. It looks like somebody
must have accidently transmitted into this unit.
You can find these plug-ins at hamfests in the 50 to 100 dollar range now,
but the 5711s might at least get you started.

Pete

Eric F. Richards wrote in message
...
Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.

So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows what type of diodes these
are likely to be and what kind of characteristics I should be looking
for in replacement parts.

Does anyone know anything about this dinosaur? Any help would be
appreciated.

Oh, BTW, the rest of the analyzer and frame work fine. I'm using a
borrowed 8553B plugin with it now and getting the results I'd hoped
for. While I don't plan on doing any critical work with it, the 8554B
is a more capable plugin and I do have to return the borrowed one...

Thanks much!

--
Eric F. Richards,
"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940

"Eric F. Richards" wrote:

Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.


These *might* be microwave mixer diodes, like the 1N416D, for example. The thing
to look for is noise figure. I have a 1L20 spectrum analyzer plug-in for my Tek
scope, from the same era as your SA (but much much cruder). I have never seen
your SA, but all I can say is that the first mixer in my 1L20 contains a single
diode.
Do yours look like this?
http://www.dfpresource.org/1n416d.jpg
If so, you might try a kludge like this:
http://www.dfpresource.org/modded1n5711.jpg
Worked for me.

A E wrote:


These *might* be microwave mixer diodes, like the 1N416D, for example. The thing
to look for is noise figure. I have a 1L20 spectrum analyzer plug-in for my Tek
scope, from the same era as your SA (but much much cruder). I have never seen
your SA, but all I can say is that the first mixer in my 1L20 contains a single
diode.
Do yours look like this?

Not even remotely. Here's a pic of the assembly, out of the "can:"

http://www.dim.com/~efricha/mixer-diodes.jpg


--
Eric F. Richards,
"The first rule about macros is: Don't use them unless you have to.
Almost every macro demonstrates a flaw in the programming language,
in the program, or in the programmer." -- Stroustrup

A E wrote:


These *might* be microwave mixer diodes, like the 1N416D, for example. The thing
to look for is noise figure. I have a 1L20 spectrum analyzer plug-in for my Tek
scope, from the same era as your SA (but much much cruder). I have never seen
your SA, but all I can say is that the first mixer in my 1L20 contains a single
diode.
Do yours look like this?

Not even remotely. Here's a pic of the assembly, out of the "can:"

http://www.dim.com/~efricha/mixer-diodes.jpg


--
Eric F. Richards,
"The first rule about macros is: Don't use them unless you have to.
Almost every macro demonstrates a flaw in the programming language,
in the program, or in the programmer." -- Stroustrup

"Eric F. Richards" wrote:

Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.


These *might* be microwave mixer diodes, like the 1N416D, for example. The thing
to look for is noise figure. I have a 1L20 spectrum analyzer plug-in for my Tek
scope, from the same era as your SA (but much much cruder). I have never seen
your SA, but all I can say is that the first mixer in my 1L20 contains a single
diode.
Do yours look like this?
http://www.dfpresource.org/1n416d.jpg
If so, you might try a kludge like this:
http://www.dfpresource.org/modded1n5711.jpg
Worked for me.

you might be better of using a modern SMD dual schottky diode, better
match, lower capacitance etc. You will have to devise some neat way of
fitting them in. Circuit is in series config so try HSMS-2814, or 2 in
one package HSMS-2815. Try Farnell or Newark? for these parts.Yes the
service manual says you need a matched pair of
1902-0385. I suspect a pair of 5082-2835 would do OK also.

Eric F. Richards wrote:
Greetings...

I don't know where to ask this, so I'm shooting for multiple groups.

I purchased an HP 140T mainframe plus spectrum analyzer plugins,
including the 8554B mentioned in the subject, at a hamfest. It turns
out that it is working but is quite "deaf." From asking around I have
been told that this is a common problem for this plugin and the
culprit is the first mixer.

Well... the first mixer is an upconverter to 3 GHz, and one of those
magical microwave "cans" that make no sense to those of us used to
thinking in lower frequencies. The only semiconductors in the can are
a pair of diodes, back to back, with the designation "385" on them.
HP weenies have suggested that it could be short for 1901-0385, but
that part number turns up very few references, and none with the
nature of the diodes and their operating characteristics.

So I'm wondering if anyone out there knows what type of diodes these
are likely to be and what kind of characteristics I should be looking
for in replacement parts.

Does anyone know anything about this dinosaur? Any help would be
appreciated.

Oh, BTW, the rest of the analyzer and frame work fine. I'm using a
borrowed 8553B plugin with it now and getting the results I'd hoped
for. While I don't plan on doing any critical work with it, the 8554B
is a more capable plugin and I do have to return the borrowed one...

Thanks much!