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Old January 25th 04, 02:03 PM
Thierry
 
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Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning recently ?
I am interested in your experience...

If your installaiton was damaged by a strike event, I would like to now if :
- you used a central ground point bonded to an external grounding system, as
well as the home ground.
- you left some gears switched on during the strike event
- you left the TX switched on and the coaxial plugged without protection
- you installed or not lightning controllers in your electric distribution
panel
- you had installed another protection
- you swicthed off and unplugged all devices
- you think that the energy came back via the grounding network (probably
dut to a difference of potential in a device)

Tell me only in a few words what was the most probable cause of the
accident.

At last, if you master the subject, do you really think that a grounding
system, as best it could be as the advice provided by PolyPhaser for
example, will never protect you against a direct strike on your antenna or
on the house lightning conductor
Why ?

All this will help me to conclude the article dealing with this matter :
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-...protection.htm

Thanks in advance

NB. Answer preferably through these forums to please everybody.

Thierry
ON4SKY


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Old January 25th 04, 03:04 PM
Henry Kolesnik
 
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I believe lightning struck my chimney and took out the lawn sprinkler
control system and a couple of appliances. After a while I found the
reason. The clamp on the ground rod for the house ground wire had
disintegrated and I think the disintigration was caused by galvanic action.
I just replaced with awhat I thought was a better one and the new one didn't
corrode.
73
hank wd5jfr
"Thierry" To answer me in private use
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/post.htm wrote in message
...
Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning recently

?
I am interested in your experience...

If your installaiton was damaged by a strike event, I would like to now if

:
- you used a central ground point bonded to an external grounding system,

as
well as the home ground.
- you left some gears switched on during the strike event
- you left the TX switched on and the coaxial plugged without protection
- you installed or not lightning controllers in your electric distribution
panel
- you had installed another protection
- you swicthed off and unplugged all devices
- you think that the energy came back via the grounding network (probably
dut to a difference of potential in a device)

Tell me only in a few words what was the most probable cause of the
accident.

At last, if you master the subject, do you really think that a grounding
system, as best it could be as the advice provided by PolyPhaser for
example, will never protect you against a direct strike on your antenna or
on the house lightning conductor
Why ?

All this will help me to conclude the article dealing with this matter :
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-...protection.htm

Thanks in advance

NB. Answer preferably through these forums to please everybody.

Thierry
ON4SKY




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Old January 25th 04, 03:49 PM
Airy R. Bean
 
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"Let us spray"?

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
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I believe lightning struck my chimney and took out the lawn sprinkler
control system and a couple of appliances.



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Old January 25th 04, 05:56 PM
Thierry
 
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"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
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I believe lightning struck my chimney and took out the lawn sprinkler
control system and a couple of appliances. After a while I found the
reason. The clamp on the ground rod for the house ground wire had
disintegrated and I think the disintigration was caused by galvanic

action.
I just replaced with awhat I thought was a better one and the new one

didn't
corrode.


Indeed, without care the binding between two metals is always "at risk".
Polyphaser and other grounding kit manufacturers provide products to prevent
this kind of corrosion, including coating for anchor guys (like Anchor
Guard).

Thierry


73
hank wd5jfr
"Thierry" To answer me in private use
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/post.htm wrote in message
...
Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning

recently
?
I am interested in your experience...

If your installaiton was damaged by a strike event, I would like to now

if
:
- you used a central ground point bonded to an external grounding

system,
as
well as the home ground.
- you left some gears switched on during the strike event
- you left the TX switched on and the coaxial plugged without protection
- you installed or not lightning controllers in your electric

distribution
panel
- you had installed another protection
- you swicthed off and unplugged all devices
- you think that the energy came back via the grounding network

(probably
dut to a difference of potential in a device)

Tell me only in a few words what was the most probable cause of the
accident.

At last, if you master the subject, do you really think that a grounding
system, as best it could be as the advice provided by PolyPhaser for
example, will never protect you against a direct strike on your antenna

or
on the house lightning conductor
Why ?

All this will help me to conclude the article dealing with this matter :
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-...protection.htm

Thanks in advance

NB. Answer preferably through these forums to please everybody.

Thierry
ON4SKY






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Old January 25th 04, 03:49 PM
Airy R. Bean
 
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"Let us spray"?

"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
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I believe lightning struck my chimney and took out the lawn sprinkler
control system and a couple of appliances.





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Old January 25th 04, 05:56 PM
Thierry
 
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"Henry Kolesnik" wrote in message
...
I believe lightning struck my chimney and took out the lawn sprinkler
control system and a couple of appliances. After a while I found the
reason. The clamp on the ground rod for the house ground wire had
disintegrated and I think the disintigration was caused by galvanic

action.
I just replaced with awhat I thought was a better one and the new one

didn't
corrode.


Indeed, without care the binding between two metals is always "at risk".
Polyphaser and other grounding kit manufacturers provide products to prevent
this kind of corrosion, including coating for anchor guys (like Anchor
Guard).

Thierry


73
hank wd5jfr
"Thierry" To answer me in private use
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/post.htm wrote in message
...
Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning

recently
?
I am interested in your experience...

If your installaiton was damaged by a strike event, I would like to now

if
:
- you used a central ground point bonded to an external grounding

system,
as
well as the home ground.
- you left some gears switched on during the strike event
- you left the TX switched on and the coaxial plugged without protection
- you installed or not lightning controllers in your electric

distribution
panel
- you had installed another protection
- you swicthed off and unplugged all devices
- you think that the energy came back via the grounding network

(probably
dut to a difference of potential in a device)

Tell me only in a few words what was the most probable cause of the
accident.

At last, if you master the subject, do you really think that a grounding
system, as best it could be as the advice provided by PolyPhaser for
example, will never protect you against a direct strike on your antenna

or
on the house lightning conductor
Why ?

All this will help me to conclude the article dealing with this matter :
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/qsl-...protection.htm

Thanks in advance

NB. Answer preferably through these forums to please everybody.

Thierry
ON4SKY






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Old January 25th 04, 10:01 PM
W4JLE
 
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Station grounded to central ground (10 foot ground rod in Georgia Clay tied
to 60 radials each 60 feet long 1" below the surface put in before the house
was built.)

Power unplugged all antennas grounded via the antenna switch.

1/2 of G5RV up 40 feet, antenna vaporized with only bits and pieces found,
the other half undamaged. Came in via powerlines and antenna. All electronic
devices in the house destroyed

All antennas on 80 foot tower were untouched.

main stroke followed the powerlines in the attic. The overpressure blew
vinyl siding off the house.

In the hamshack the voltage exited the coax from a coiled section burning
the rug. TS-830 and 440 destroyed in spite of being unplugged. 6 foot color
TV, electronic air cleaner, VCR etc all destroyed. The only electronic
survivor was a bedside GE $10 radio alarm clock.

This is a rural setting on 29 acres. Closest house 1/2 mile away. All
utilities underground from the road to the house. Closest overhead utilities
are 1600 feet away.




"Thierry" To answer me in private use
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/post.htm wrote in message
...
Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning recently

?
I am interested in your experience...



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Old January 26th 04, 12:56 AM
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W4JLE ...

^ Station grounded to central ground (10 foot ground rod in
^ Georgia Clay tied to 60 radials each 60 feet long 1" below
^ the surface put in before the house was built.)

Nice! Are you taking it with you when you move?

Frank

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Old January 26th 04, 12:56 AM
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W4JLE ...

^ Station grounded to central ground (10 foot ground rod in
^ Georgia Clay tied to 60 radials each 60 feet long 1" below
^ the surface put in before the house was built.)

Nice! Are you taking it with you when you move?

Frank

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Old January 26th 04, 06:14 AM
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"Thierry" To answer me in private use http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/post.htm wrote in message ...
Hi,

Was your house/shack stroken by Thor's hammer, I mean a lightning recently ?


My mast has been struck twice in the last 4 years.
I am interested in your experience...

If your installaiton was damaged by a strike event, I would like to now if :
- you used a central ground point bonded to an external grounding system, as
well as the home ground.


My mast is the central ground point. It's tied into to water pipe,
which is about 2 ft away, and also tied into my "ground window"
outside the shack. All the ground here is tied together, and at the
same potential. The water pipe is iron, not pvc.

- you left some gears switched on during the strike event


Gears???? No compute...

- you left the TX switched on and the coaxial plugged without protection


Yes. So was my computer and monitor. Neither flinched at all.
- you installed or not lightning controllers in your electric distribution
panel


No.
- you had installed another protection

No.
- you swicthed off and unplugged all devices

Yes. But to my radios only. IE: rig and amp unplugged from the wall.
Phone line to the computer unplugged. All the other stuff in the
house/room was left on and plugged in.
My computer was on, as was the TV in the room, which is on cable.

- you think that the energy came back via the grounding network (probably
dut to a difference of potential in a device)


Most all of the strike energy went straight to ground via the mast I'm
fairly sure.
I had no damage to anything anywhere. The only thing is did was blow a
hole in my electrical tape "water cap" on the top of the mast. Also
made the slightest arc spot on the end of the mast. You would have to
look hard to see it.

Tell me only in a few words what was the most probable cause of the
accident.


Accident? What accident? The lightning strike did exactly what I was
intending/hoping it would do.

At last, if you master the subject, do you really think that a grounding
system, as best it could be as the advice provided by PolyPhaser for
example, will never protect you against a direct strike on your antenna or
on the house lightning conductor
Why ?


You can protect from a direct strike. The level of protection will
depend on the clamping voltage of the gas tube, or whatever you use.
The higher power gas tubes clamp at a higher voltage. If you want max
protection use a low power protector. But I'm too paranoid to operate
during lightning. I see no point anyway, being the static would be a
mess... I totally unhook and ground all antennas. Also, my mast is
much most likely to attract a strike rather than my antennas
themselves. They just float along for the ride. My coaxes all run all
the way down to the ground. The mast acts as a lightning rod in my
case. I was sitting 15 feet away from my mast when it struck mine. In
reality, it's kind of a non event..It's so quick , it's over before
you realize what happened. The strike itself is pretty quiet if you
have a low resistance connection like a well grounded mast. About like
throwing a lightbulb on the ground and breaking it. Only the sonic
boom overhead is loud. You also hear a click in your auditory nerves
when you are that close. Lightning has also hit tall trees in our yard
in that time period. The tree in the front yard was nailed a few
months ago. MK


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