On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:47:07 GMT, marco wrote:

Yes, if the story is true, it is unfortunate the seller got taken.

I myself would not have done business with someone with only
three feedbacks for the $ 1,000 + test gear unless the buyer
wired my money to the bank directly so there would be a paper trail.

If he says no then fine.

I've been using the ebay for four years and not one gotten burned,
always try to deal with established sellers.

Both parties should set terms and conditions which they are
comfortable with. Do not depend on "the system" to protect you, but
make certain there is a paper trail for the transaction, and keep a
log of every step along with papers, and a record of all facts,
numbers, etc.

If anything about the transaction makes you queasy, reconsider dealing
with them. Whatever item you want will pop up on eBay again.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute. A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well, that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent. UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card,
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some
packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were
accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it
too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people
have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be
grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT.....
we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the
side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay
pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business
day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most
of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't
do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people,
usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I
value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And
anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then
forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make
sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be
sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find
that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service
is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as
"I" am concerned with this business.

Lou


"Barry" wrote in message
...
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get
your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I
have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute.
A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well,
that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent.
UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to
wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal
and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there
is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed
that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most
part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then
again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon
receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship
the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card,
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some
packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were
accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it
too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people
have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be
grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT.....
we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the
side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay
pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business
day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most
of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't
do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people,
usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I
value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And
anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then
forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make
sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be
sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find
that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service
is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as
"I" am concerned with this business.

Lou


"Barry" wrote in message
...
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get
your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I
have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute.
A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well,
that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent.
UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to
wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal
and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there
is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed
that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most
part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then
again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon
receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship
the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

HI Lou, there are some dirtbags out there as we know.
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it,
Paypal checks this out. If the seller does NOT have any proof of sending the
item then paypal usually returns the money from the sellers account. If the
sender has proper tracking info then Paypal won't refund the money. It was sent
and now would be a matter for the tracking police of the service used, but if
proved it was sent Paypal won't refund.

Lou wrote:

I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card,
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some
packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were
accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it
too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people
have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be
grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT.....
we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the
side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay
pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business
day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most
of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't
do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people,
usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I
value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And
anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then
forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make
sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be
sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find
that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service
is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as
"I" am concerned with this business.

Lou

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get
your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I
have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute.
A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well,
that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent.
UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to
wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal
and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there
is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed
that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most
part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then
again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon
receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship
the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

HI Lou, there are some dirtbags out there as we know.
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it,
Paypal checks this out. If the seller does NOT have any proof of sending the
item then paypal usually returns the money from the sellers account. If the
sender has proper tracking info then Paypal won't refund the money. It was sent
and now would be a matter for the tracking police of the service used, but if
proved it was sent Paypal won't refund.

Lou wrote:

I can go along with your idea. There really are NO guarantees. Even with
pay pal - I've "heard" of people getting burned. If one uses a credit card,
I suppose they could cancel the payment once they know you've sent the
item - then make some lame excuse they never received it, as often, some
packages are left on porches, etc without a signature to prove they were
accepted OR sent to fictitious addresses. Yes, there is insurance, but it
too can make for a pain in the ass to collect! OR something. SHREWD people
have a multitude of ways to screw other people and the system. It would be
grand if all those who ripped people off could be shot at sunrise, BUT.....
we know that won't happen. Regardless what you do, you have to err on the
side of caution. So far, "I" have been fortunate with Postal MOs and Pay
pal. And all my sales have gone out either the same day or the next business
day. IF there is any delay, I keep the party informed. I'd have to say, most
of those who screw people are not in business. Those in business, wouldn't
do that IF they intend to remain in business. And those who DO screw people,
usually close up shop with in a short time. It's a matter of reputation. I
value mine and "I" can't afford to "screw" anyone for just that reason. And
anyone who has dealt with me can vouch for it. I don't make deals, then
forget them. I keep a line open until the deal is concluded, even to make
sure the item was received. I don't depend just on tracking. I check to be
sure it arrived safely, which my packing has yet to fail. You don't find
that personal touch with most. I keep a "mom and pop" shop approach. Service
is lost today for the most part. "I try to keep it alive, at least so far as
"I" am concerned with this business.

Lou

"Barry" wrote in message
...
Postal money orders are OK BUT there are no guarantees that you will get
your
item
if you sell on a newsgroup. Been there done that. Got burned for $140. I
have
a friend who is a postal inspector
and says for a few hundred dollars it's not worth their time to prosecute.
A
postal money sounds like it's the best because of the protection.Well,
that's
wrong. Unless it is a LARGE amount.
Paypal is wonderful. NO WAY can a payment be stopped after it is sent.
UNLESS,

If he sent an e-check to the PAYPAL account and she shipped before it was
cleared, He could cancel it before it was cleared. You are supposed to
wait
until it clears before shipping! I myself once paid someone via paypal
and
made a mistake
with the amount, by a LARGE amount. I called paypal and they said there
is
nothing they can do at this point.
The return must come from guy who received the money from me. I e-mailed
that
guy and he sent
me the difference via paypal the same day.
Just my .02 cents with experience in postal money orders and Paypal.
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Lou wrote:

As do I! I have accepted Pay Pal a couple of times, but for the most
part,
it is Postal MO only!

Lou

"Keith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 23:57:13 GMT, "Lou"
wrote:

You can't blame E-Bay - least not
entirely, though the system could be made a bit better. But then
again,
it's
no worse there,

When I sell something on eBay it is USPS money order only. Upon
receipt
take
it to the USPS, cash it and once I have the money in my hand I ship
the
item
with a delivery confirmation to the buyer.




--
Best Regards,
Keith
http://kilowatt-radio.org/ NW Oregon Radio Page

Gary S. wrote:


It is.

Except when it isn't.

Nothing they can do to stop every bit of it.

They can (and should) minimize it, and they should make sure that
transactions are tracable enough so that legal action can be taken if
needed.

They need to monitor, and shut down anyone who does something
improper.

They should really work to make certain that scamsters cannot make up
a new name and get back on the system.

But ebay makes money on scamsters as well, thus they aren't too
concerned about putting forth much effort to shut them down.