Ian Jackson wrote:
Here they went from 1 megawatt to about 50 kilowatt (ERP).
And then there are several programmes on one transponder, instead
of one analog programme. This gives significant savings in power.

That's quite s drop in power. In the UK, it seems that the digitals are
being run at 1/5th of what the analogues were. Certainly the main
transmitter for London, Crystal Palace, was 1MW erp, but is now 200kW on
the main six digital muxes. [There are also a couple more running around
10dB less.]

When received with a similar quality setup as was required for longer
distance analog reception, the power is adequate. Of course it does not
allow indoor reception at 50km distance, but in the areas where indoor
reception is advertised there are local transmitters. "the countryside"
still needs a roof-mounted yagi, but they always did.
(I think the spec was a yagi at least 1.5m above the roof and 12m above
the ground)

Of course the 1MW was peak envelope power (at the sync pulses), with a
mean power a lot less than that (for typical content).

In message , Rob
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Ian Jackson wrote:
Here they went from 1 megawatt to about 50 kilowatt (ERP).
And then there are several programmes on one transponder, instead
of one analog programme. This gives significant savings in power.

That's quite s drop in power. In the UK, it seems that the digitals are
being run at 1/5th of what the analogues were. Certainly the main
transmitter for London, Crystal Palace, was 1MW erp, but is now 200kW on
the main six digital muxes. [There are also a couple more running around
10dB less.]

When received with a similar quality setup as was required for longer
distance analog reception, the power is adequate. Of course it does not
allow indoor reception at 50km distance, but in the areas where indoor
reception is advertised there are local transmitters. "the countryside"
still needs a roof-mounted yagi, but they always did.
(I think the spec was a yagi at least 1.5m above the roof and 12m above
the ground)

Of course the 1MW was peak envelope power (at the sync pulses), with a
mean power a lot less than that (for typical content).

That is indeed true.

The UK black level (which is when the highest average power is being
transmitted) is 2.4dB below sync - and peak white (minimum power) is
14dB below sync. Even allowing for the relatively high average power
during the vertical interval, it's obviously the average TV programme
will consume a lot less power than if the transmitter was pumping out
full envelope power all the time. Of course, the 1MW is erp, and as the
transmitting antenna gains can be considerable, the transmitter won't be
putting out 1MW. But again, you've got combiner losses and feeder losses
.......
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:
Of course, the 1MW is erp, and as the
transmitting antenna gains can be considerable, the transmitter won't be
putting out 1MW. But again, you've got combiner losses and feeder losses
......

The transmitters feeding the old analog 1MW ERP system were running
40kW output per vision carrier. So antenna gain minus feedline and
combiner losses was 14dB. The feedline was about 300m.
Not RG6, of course :-)

This is what I love about USENET. Ask a question and sit back and watch while
the majority of respondents argue the minutia.

Thanks to those who answered on-topic. Much appreciated.

In message ,
Bob E. writes
This is what I love about USENET. Ask a question and sit back and watch while
the majority of respondents argue the minutia.

Thanks to those who answered on-topic. Much appreciated.

You're welcome, Bob. At least it got the buggers stirred up! Among all
the smoke and dust, did your query get adequately answered? Are you
going to go ahead, and suck it and see?
--
Ian