Ken Taylor wrote:
"Ed" wrote in message
. 92.175...

With the very light antenna load I don't see any issues. Certainly if
a tree falls over there might be so would it be so if it was guyed to
ground anchor points and a nearby tree still fell on it. I think you
guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.


I suppose also if a Boeing 747 crash-landed in this guys yard there
would be an issue as well..but come on guys...this is no big deal so
let's be practical. Frankly I've seen a lot worse and they have been
up for years. And, moreover, if everyone erected strictly according to
Rohn standards few of us could afford a simple 50 footer!



You apparently have little understanding of safe tower installation
requirements, regardless of factory specs. This isn't a simple 50 foot
installation... its a 90 foot tower, and when it comes down, its going to
have a big effect on the neighbors. The wind loading of that tower
preempts any problems with antenna loading. Given the poor base, and
especially the lousey guying supports, its an accident waiting to happen.

Ed


Thanks for saying it. Three four-foot deep lumps of concrete are not a
sufficient anchor for a load like that. I gather there's a bit of wind every
so often in MI? Those feet will pop out like corks.

Here's some guys who thought it through a little better:
http://klickitat.ee.washington.edu/Tower/

This data is for self-supporting towers but it's interesting to note:
http://www.anwireless.com/tower.html#foundation

This is sorta relevant (it's a much bigger tower but is just plain neat:
http://greyfort.com/gallery/album12?page=3)

I mean, sure, we've all put up a dodgy 'tower' (I think my biggest self-made
piece of crap was maybe 8 metres high, and at least I was the only one hurt
during removal!), but this is serious ****, it could easily kill people when
it comes down. When, not if.

Ken
ZL1WKT


With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.

I put up a temporary tower in 1978 that is still standing. It is 50
foot high and is sitting right on the ground (about 8 inches in now). I
have two sets of guy wires. I have 4 ants on it one being a 42 foot 20
Meter KLM. Also one leg is tied to a tree and one tied to an anchor in
the roof of my wife's shop. The third in tied to two posts that are
driven in the ground about 3 foot.

Now remember this was my temporary install of almost 30 years ago.
Someday soon I am expecting to make it more permanent but.......

Ron WA0KDS

With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.



Tell me what happens to guy wire tension if the weight of the 90' tower
allows it to sink further into the ground?



Ed

Ed wrote:
With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.




Tell me what happens to guy wire tension if the weight of the 90' tower
allows it to sink further into the ground?



Ed

We all know you go check the tower at least once a week for the 1st 3
months and then slightly less often unless weather gets rough , then you
tighten the turn buckles on the supporting cables , its not perfect but
it is up there.

You do a continue check on the guys and keep tightening.

Ed wrote:

With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.




Tell me what happens to guy wire tension if the weight of the 90' tower
allows it to sink further into the ground?



Ed

Gentlemen...

First of all a little clarification....

1. It is a 75 ft tower not a 90 ft tower (the mast is 21 ft)
2. It has a base of over 3000 lbs of concrete in the ground (.75 cubic
yards)
3. Does my "90 ft tower" weigh any more than anyone else's "90 ft tower?"
4. If it settles then the guys will be tightened to compensate.
5. I have no neighbors near enough to have issues with a fallen tower. I'm
in the country.
6. The tower is covered by our homeowner's insurance under the group of
"outbuildings and other structures"
7. Yes..I am "proud of it".

Those that have been courteous and helpful..thank you very much. The others
can just go fish....or any other appropriate phrase you may think of.
--

Charlie
Ham Radio - AD5TH
www.ad5th.com
Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net
www.deepsouthnet.net





"Ron" wrote in message ...
You do a continue check on the guys and keep tightening.

Ed wrote:

With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.




Tell me what happens to guy wire tension if the weight of the 90'
tower allows it to sink further into the ground?



Ed

"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Gentlemen...

First of all a little clarification....

1. It is a 75 ft tower not a 90 ft tower (the mast is 21 ft)
2. It has a base of over 3000 lbs of concrete in the ground (.75 cubic
yards)
3. Does my "90 ft tower" weigh any more than anyone else's "90 ft tower?"
4. If it settles then the guys will be tightened to compensate.
5. I have no neighbors near enough to have issues with a fallen tower. I'm
in the country.
6. The tower is covered by our homeowner's insurance under the group of
"outbuildings and other structures"
7. Yes..I am "proud of it".

Those that have been courteous and helpful..thank you very much. The
others can just go fish....or any other appropriate phrase you may think
of.


They just jealous single-wide dwellers, with CC&Rs :-)

--

... Hank

http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli

"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Gentlemen...

First of all a little clarification....

1. It is a 75 ft tower not a 90 ft tower (the mast is 21 ft)
2. It has a base of over 3000 lbs of concrete in the ground (.75 cubic
yards)
3. Does my "90 ft tower" weigh any more than anyone else's "90 ft tower?"
4. If it settles then the guys will be tightened to compensate.
5. I have no neighbors near enough to have issues with a fallen tower. I'm
in the country.
6. The tower is covered by our homeowner's insurance under the group of
"outbuildings and other structures"
7. Yes..I am "proud of it".

Those that have been courteous and helpful..thank you very much. The
others can just go fish....or any other appropriate phrase you may think
of.
--

Charlie
Ham Radio - AD5TH
www.ad5th.com
Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net
www.deepsouthnet.net

Ya gotta understand Charlie that most of those complaining all live on
postage stamp lots, in cities, with neighbors. On the other hand, us
"Southerners" know better than to move into a antenna restricted
sub-division, with wall to wall covenants. They are to be felt sorry for.

I think your tower looks fine, when I get mine up this year I'll work you
on the 2 meter net.

Dan/W4NTI

Thx Dan..it's a deal!!

73 / DX

--

Charlie
Ham Radio - AD5TH
www.ad5th.com
Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net
www.deepsouthnet.net





"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
link.net...

"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Gentlemen...

First of all a little clarification....

1. It is a 75 ft tower not a 90 ft tower (the mast is 21 ft)
2. It has a base of over 3000 lbs of concrete in the ground (.75 cubic
yards)
3. Does my "90 ft tower" weigh any more than anyone else's "90 ft tower?"
4. If it settles then the guys will be tightened to compensate.
5. I have no neighbors near enough to have issues with a fallen tower.
I'm in the country.
6. The tower is covered by our homeowner's insurance under the group of
"outbuildings and other structures"
7. Yes..I am "proud of it".

Those that have been courteous and helpful..thank you very much. The
others can just go fish....or any other appropriate phrase you may think
of.
--

Charlie
Ham Radio - AD5TH
www.ad5th.com
Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net
www.deepsouthnet.net

Ya gotta understand Charlie that most of those complaining all live on
postage stamp lots, in cities, with neighbors. On the other hand, us
"Southerners" know better than to move into a antenna restricted
sub-division, with wall to wall covenants. They are to be felt sorry
for.

I think your tower looks fine, when I get mine up this year I'll work you
on the 2 meter net.

Dan/W4NTI

Oh one more thing Charlie.

Several years ago I cobbled up a 25 and a 20G Rohn tower to make me a 90
footer.

Dug a 5 foot deep hole X 3' across and stuck a crappy looking section in it,
Think I used about 12 bags of Quick Creet. Bracketed the next section to
the house, and the crew stacked the rest and we guyed it with 3/8" twisted
steel, turnbuckles and trailor tie down (6') long concreted in with 4 bags
each.

Hung a full sized 20 meter monobander on it.

Stood three tornado's, four very strong straight line wind storms and
stayed up for 6 years before I took it down to move.

The tornado's tore up two trees either side of it BTW.

On inspection found NO problems. Sold the whole mess, and its still up.

Dan/W4NTI

"Charlie" wrote in message
...
Gentlemen...

First of all a little clarification....

1. It is a 75 ft tower not a 90 ft tower (the mast is 21 ft)
2. It has a base of over 3000 lbs of concrete in the ground (.75 cubic
yards)
3. Does my "90 ft tower" weigh any more than anyone else's "90 ft tower?"
4. If it settles then the guys will be tightened to compensate.
5. I have no neighbors near enough to have issues with a fallen tower. I'm
in the country.
6. The tower is covered by our homeowner's insurance under the group of
"outbuildings and other structures"
7. Yes..I am "proud of it".

Those that have been courteous and helpful..thank you very much. The
others can just go fish....or any other appropriate phrase you may think
of.
--

Charlie
Ham Radio - AD5TH
www.ad5th.com
Deep South 2 Meter SSB Net
www.deepsouthnet.net





"Ron" wrote in message
...
You do a continue check on the guys and keep tightening.

Ed wrote:

With this being a guyed tower I find it hard to believe that the feet
will come out of the ground or do anything but sink farther into the
ground do to the weight of the tower and the soft soil.




Tell me what happens to guy wire tension if the weight of the 90'
tower allows it to sink further into the ground?



Ed

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Stood three tornado's, four very strong straight line wind storms and
stayed up for 6 years before I took it down to move.

The tornado's tore up two trees either side of it BTW.

Charlie has his tower guyed to a tree.

Brad.