On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

"Ken C" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

Ok... you got 3 replies that all said *don't do it*, and you want to call
all 3 "crackpots" and ignore what they have said. Consider the levels of
experience you are dealing with. Personally I have been licensed since 1984.

If you absolutely must use a beeper, then do it on the Childrens Band.. not
on the HAM bands.

Hello,

In a decent way, these tones could probably be useful during contests or
when propagation conditions are weak (V/U/SHF). But beware, don't abuse it,
or you'll be called a Johnny.

73 de F8BOE Olivier ...-.-


Ken C wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

Or be called a diamond dave!

"F8BOE" wrote in message
...
Hello,

In a decent way, these tones could probably be useful during contests or
when propagation conditions are weak (V/U/SHF). But beware, don't abuse
it,
or you'll be called a Johnny.

73 de F8BOE Olivier ...-.-


Ken C wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

On repeaters the beep is more than a courtesy tone
It also signals that the repeater timer has been reset.

Transmission times are accumulative, if folks don't wait for the beep.
Example: A machine has a 60 second timer and station X talks for 50 seconds,
if station Y comes in before the beep, 10 seconds later the timer will shut
down the repeater. To signal a timer dropout, some repeaters use a voice
announcement, others use a series of short beeps, such as a triple beep.
Others may use a short delay, a short beep and then dropout.

As i said before -- if you use a roger beep on a repeater, a dozen plus guys
will alert you that you have a beep tone and ask you to turn it off
--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






"Ken C" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:56:56 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
As i said before -- if you use a roger beep on a repeater, a dozen plus guys
will alert you that you have a beep tone and ask you to turn it off

I see no reason to use it in any mode with a carrier; you know when
the other guy has released PTT. As I said, I want to try it on SSB
where you need an "over" to know PTT has been released. Some hams
think you are a lid unless you say "over"; I see no reason to make
like a simple machine, unless you have the IQ of a simple machine.

I believe the FRS radios also use a roger beep. They probably outsell
ham radios 100:1.

Ken KC2JDY

"Ken C" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:56:56 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
As i said before -- if you use a roger beep on a repeater, a dozen plus
guys
will alert you that you have a beep tone and ask you to turn it off

I see no reason to use it in any mode with a carrier; you know when
the other guy has released PTT. As I said, I want to try it on SSB
where you need an "over" to know PTT has been released. Some hams
think you are a lid unless you say "over"; I see no reason to make
like a simple machine, unless you have the IQ of a simple machine.

I believe the FRS radios also use a roger beep. They probably outsell
ham radios 100:1.

Ken KC2JDY

If ignorance was bliss, you'd be euphoric.... you do what you want to do,
your gonna do it anyway.

On 2006-02-11, Ken C wrote:

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts

Actually NASA used "quindar tones" which are in-band signalling to
activate ground transmitters. Those beeps were removed by a notch
filter and never made it into the uplink.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

The question to seek is WHY are they there?

The "courtesy tones" serve a purpose (yes that is a funny name and I don't
know where it started, but)...to tell when the timer is reset.
73, Steve, K9DCI

"Ken C" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0800, "Caveat Lector"
wrote:
Hi Ken -- ignore the nasty replies

I always ignore the crackpots; most have no lives and nothing to say
of value.

Well, NASA uses roger beep with its astronauts and ham repeaters use
them all the time, but call them courtesy tones. So I see no problem
with experimenting on SSB, especially with folks I know who have no
objection. Especially if the tone if not loud or extravagant.