"Bill Turner" wrote in message
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On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 23:59:38 -0500, "David G. Nagel"
wrote:

The problem with the newbys with nocode techs is that they don't realize
that knowing the code is just as important as knowing how to press the
on/off button.

Dave WD9BDZ

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"Just as important"?

Boggles the mind.

73, Bill W6WRT
49 yr ham, Extra Class

I don't think you can really expect the newbies to want/desire to know that
which they know may be being phased out soon. Why worry about learning it if
they know it will soon be gone?

I am of the opinion that a 5 WPM at least - should be kept on as a
requirement - as someday - it may be needed. Think not? Say you're in the
midst of an attack - of terrorism, a war on our homefront OR a large scale
natural disaster, a microphone isn't working or available. You can key the
radio but don't know code - now what? With code, even at 5 WPM - you could
get some very important information to those needing it to help save you -
to them. You could tell them WITH code, what is needed, exact whereabouts,
how many people involved, etc........ Just clicking a mic pin with a wire
won't tell anyone anything and could delay any help or a response big enough
to do much good. In these times with the large scale disasters as we've seen
and attacks - even for any said to be planned, NOW is a good time to WANT to
know code. IT may save you........ It is one of those skills you learn -
just like CPR or whatever - you hope you never have to use, but you're glad
you have it - when you need it.

5 WPM is NOT hard to learn or do. ANYONE with any interest can learn it in a
month at most if you take x amount of characters a day and start using them.
Many learn it sooner but it shouldn't take more than a month to get to 5
WPM. "I" know how I learned it but my method won't work for all, just as
others didn't work for me. But the main thing is, you must "want" to learn
it. If you were 16 and didn't want to learn to drive a car - plain and
simple your driving days would be non-existant or very short lived at best-
point being MOST 16 year olds WANT to learn to drive. YOU HAVE TO WANT IT.

Many of you may have heard of the Quecreek Mine incident in PA some time
ago. A pipe was drilled down into the shaft. Those at the surface heard 9
taps on it, signifying there were 9 miners there. NOW - if any of those
miners KNEW code, they could have gotten a message to the surface as to what
conditions were exactly, the extent of injuries as best they could, etc.
Maybe even instructions to help those on the surface plan their moves a tad
better. Luckily, the 9 were saved but that is an example of just those 9
taps - crude MORSE - which sent a valid message. Were it not for that, no
one would have known they were alive until someone may have went in. AND -
MAYBE - those digging operations after a couple hours would have slowed due
to lost hope. The fact they knew those guys were still alive gave them
urgency to press on......... Code CAN have a place in your life.

clfe

Tom Ring wrote:

wrote:

Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?


You should go for your license. The additional privelages are quite
worthwhile. I will warn you that there are still quite a few inbred
hicks that got their ham tickets, unfortunately. The good thing is most
of them seem to be extra class, and are mostly older and will be gone
soon. It's a leftover effect of requiring Morse ability as opposed to
operating knowledge.

tom
K0TAR

Boy it's fun what a little trolling can do to my peers. I'm also an
Extra, and licensed for 29 years.

Code is worth what it can do, but has had less and less to do with the
hobby for decades. It's a great hobby within the hobby on HF, and was
the core of EME for years. It still is to some extent, but advances due
to moving up in frequency as well as computer based modes as low as 6
and 2 meters are making it something used for EME as much for fun and
stubborness as for usefullness. SSB is a very popular mode on EME now
among the big guns.

CW is dead as far as being needed. It's a great thing to have as a
skill, but is now as needed as spark.

The person who said they could key an HT to send CW was stretching it
way beyond reality. Ain't gonna happen, any more than someone will make
a spark transmitter by keying a big bunch of wire they wound in a coil
when trapped in their basement by touching it to the hot side of the
drop in their fusebox.

tom
K0TAR

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .
Tom Ring wrote:

wrote:

Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?


You should go for your license. The additional privelages are quite
worthwhile. I will warn you that there are still quite a few inbred
hicks that got their ham tickets, unfortunately. The good thing is most
of them seem to be extra class, and are mostly older and will be gone
soon. It's a leftover effect of requiring Morse ability as opposed to
operating knowledge.

tom
K0TAR

Boy it's fun what a little trolling can do to my peers. I'm also an
Extra, and licensed for 29 years.

Code is worth what it can do, but has had less and less to do with the
hobby for decades. It's a great hobby within the hobby on HF, and was the
core of EME for years. It still is to some extent, but advances due to
moving up in frequency as well as computer based modes as low as 6 and 2
meters are making it something used for EME as much for fun and
stubborness as for usefullness. SSB is a very popular mode on EME now
among the big guns.

CW is dead as far as being needed. It's a great thing to have as a skill,
but is now as needed as spark.

The person who said they could key an HT to send CW was stretching it way
beyond reality. Ain't gonna happen, any more than someone will make a
spark transmitter by keying a big bunch of wire they wound in a coil when
trapped in their basement by touching it to the hot side of the drop in
their fusebox.

tom
K0TAR

I'm not sure if you're referring to my post or someone else's who I didn't
see. In "my" example - I was saying if a MIC was broken and they knew code,
they could short out the tranmit pins - like making and breaking contact
such as a key would do - to broadcast a coded message. It "can" be done.
There is what is/was known as "Modulated CW". And, I've seen guys key an
H.T. OR Mic and do code with an "Oscillator" with the other hand - thereby
transmitting the code - from the Oscillator speaker through the mic of the
H.T or radio. Maybe that is what "they" were referring to - I don't know.


clfe

"clfe" wrote in message
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"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .
Tom Ring wrote:

wrote:

Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?


You should go for your license. The additional privelages are quite
worthwhile. I will warn you that there are still quite a few inbred
hicks that got their ham tickets, unfortunately. The good thing is most
of them seem to be extra class, and are mostly older and will be gone
soon. It's a leftover effect of requiring Morse ability as opposed to
operating knowledge.

tom
K0TAR

Boy it's fun what a little trolling can do to my peers. I'm also an
Extra, and licensed for 29 years.

Code is worth what it can do, but has had less and less to do with the
hobby for decades. It's a great hobby within the hobby on HF, and was
the core of EME for years. It still is to some extent, but advances due
to moving up in frequency as well as computer based modes as low as 6 and
2 meters are making it something used for EME as much for fun and
stubborness as for usefullness. SSB is a very popular mode on EME now
among the big guns.

CW is dead as far as being needed. It's a great thing to have as a
skill, but is now as needed as spark.

The person who said they could key an HT to send CW was stretching it way
beyond reality. Ain't gonna happen, any more than someone will make a
spark transmitter by keying a big bunch of wire they wound in a coil when
trapped in their basement by touching it to the hot side of the drop in
their fusebox.

tom
K0TAR

I'm not sure if you're referring to my post or someone else's who I didn't
see. In "my" example - I was saying if a MIC was broken and they knew
code, they could short out the tranmit pins - like making and breaking
contact such as a key would do - to broadcast a coded message. It "can" be
done. There is what is/was known as "Modulated CW". And, I've seen guys
key an H.T. OR Mic and do code with an "Oscillator" with the other hand -
thereby transmitting the code - from the Oscillator speaker through the
mic of the H.T or radio. Maybe that is what "they" were referring to - I
don't know.


clfe


Then too along with the above - they "could" have been referring to using
the "key pad" to send code while the H.T. was keyed OR using the keypad on a
mic while it was keyed......... If memory serves me correct - at the moment
(slips at times) - THAT would be equivalent to MCW (Modulated CW). I've seen
that done too.

clfe

clfe wrote:
I'm not sure if you're referring to my post or someone else's who I didn't
see. In "my" example - I was saying if a MIC was broken and they knew code,
they could short out the tranmit pins - like making and breaking contact
such as a key would do - to broadcast a coded message. It "can" be done.

Please tell us when, in human history, it has ever been done.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

X-Post canceled

Replace?? no..........get licensed, *ADD* the HAM radio... start with V/UHF
dual bander, then as $$$$ and space permit, add an HF rig..... maybe a
TS-480
In my truck I run a CB, a dual bander, and an HF rig. The CB keeps me out of
trouble, and the ham rigs give me something to do.

-n6ojn

wrote in message
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Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?

I'm an inbred alabama hick and I hate CB.


Lloyd Davies N0VFP
Cow Cornholer
Nutsackkk Gobbler
Dumpster Dweller
in Athens, Alabama

wrote in message
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Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?




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Thanks for stepping up to the plate and admitting it. You got some
points for that. :-)


LLOYD THE LARDASS LOSER DAVIES wrote:
I'm an inbred alabama hick and I hate CB.


Lloyd Davies N0VFP
Cow Cornholer
Nutsackkk Gobbler
Dumpster Dweller
in Athens, Alabama

wrote in message
oups.com...
Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?

wrote:
Alot of people are telling me that CB is just for inbred hicks and that
I should replace the CB in my truck with a ham radio. What do you
thjink?

Dont you fall for these dastardly lies. You stay right where you are.
Trust me you do not want to be where we are, in 50 or so years you will
thank us for keeping you in cbland.

Butch