Social Security number and license renewal
 

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of "Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of "Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

"TooManyRadios" wrote in message
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In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social
Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not
to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of "Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea
which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

Actually it started before the Homeland Security activities. It was part of
the group of laws put in place to help track "dead beat parents", i.e. those
who were not paying court ordered child support. Just about all state and
Federal agencies now ask for this data due to those laws.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"TooManyRadios" wrote in message
...
In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social
Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not
to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of "Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea
which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

Actually it started before the Homeland Security activities. It was part of
the group of laws put in place to help track "dead beat parents", i.e. those
who were not paying court ordered child support. Just about all state and
Federal agencies now ask for this data due to those laws.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"TooManyRadios" wrote in message
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In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social
Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons
not
to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to
the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies
as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC
want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of
"Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea
which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

Actually it started before the Homeland Security activities. It was part
of
the group of laws put in place to help track "dead beat parents", i.e.
those
who were not paying court ordered child support. Just about all state and
Federal agencies now ask for this data due to those laws.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I wonder if anyone bothers to match up the number. From what I'm told, the
California DMV collects SSNs, but nobody ever does anything with them. Same
for the thumbprint they collect. I wonder if the FCC is just as lax.

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
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"TooManyRadios" wrote in message
...
In article 9Mglb.31751$Rd4.21952@fed1read07, "Wil Limbacher"
writes:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social
Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons
not
to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to
the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies
as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC
want
with my SSN anyway?

This latest invasion-of-privacy is being done under the guise of
"Homeland
Security." All states either now require or will soon require a SS # for
drivers licenses, vehicle registrations, etc.

Looks like FCC licenses are included in this ruse also.

It's a back door method of establishing a national ID number, an idea
which has
been soundly rejected in the past.

Welcome to Amerika, Comrade.

Actually it started before the Homeland Security activities. It was part
of
the group of laws put in place to help track "dead beat parents", i.e.
those
who were not paying court ordered child support. Just about all state and
Federal agencies now ask for this data due to those laws.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I wonder if anyone bothers to match up the number. From what I'm told, the
California DMV collects SSNs, but nobody ever does anything with them. Same
for the thumbprint they collect. I wonder if the FCC is just as lax.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:35:19 -0700, "Wil Limbacher"
wrote:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

Apparently you received your present license before the start of the
FCC's issuing FIN (Federal Identification Number) numbers. When you
fill out a Form 605 for a new license or a renewal, the SSN is
required as a Taxpayer ID, just as in your Form 1040 income tax form.
When your new license comes through, it will have a FIN number on it,
and you can use this in further upgrade or renewal applications
instead of the SSN.

BTW, I also am concerned with everyone and his brother requiring the
SSN as identification. It was formerly a federal law that the SSN
should not be used for ID purposes except by the Social Security
Administration or taxpayer ID. How it got so diluted, I have no idea,
but it makes it much easier nowadays for identity theft. Go figure.

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 13:35:19 -0700, "Wil Limbacher"
wrote:

It's time to renew my license, and I notice that they want a Social Security
Number as part of the process, unless I state one of several reasons not to
offer one. One reason is that I'm only operating as a "petitioner" to the
FCC. Anyone know if applying for an amateur license renewal qualifies as
being a 'petitioner'? While we're on the subject, what does the FCC want
with my SSN anyway?

Apparently you received your present license before the start of the
FCC's issuing FIN (Federal Identification Number) numbers. When you
fill out a Form 605 for a new license or a renewal, the SSN is
required as a Taxpayer ID, just as in your Form 1040 income tax form.
When your new license comes through, it will have a FIN number on it,
and you can use this in further upgrade or renewal applications
instead of the SSN.

BTW, I also am concerned with everyone and his brother requiring the
SSN as identification. It was formerly a federal law that the SSN
should not be used for ID purposes except by the Social Security
Administration or taxpayer ID. How it got so diluted, I have no idea,
but it makes it much easier nowadays for identity theft. Go figure.