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Official : no more morse in CEPT

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

Read http://www.ero.dk/documentation/docs...asp?docid=1802 (doc or
HTTP)

Thierry
ON4SKY, LX3SKY
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry

Recommendation T/R 61-01 (Nice 1985, Paris 1992, August 1992, Nicosia 2003)

CEPT RADIO AMATEUR LICENCE

Recommendation proposed by the ''Radio Regulatory'' Working Group (RR)

Text of the Recommendation adopted by the "Electronic Communications
Committee" (ECC):

INTRODUCTION

The Recommendation as approved in 1985 makes it possible for radio
amateurs from CEPT countries to operate during short visits in other
CEPT countries without obtaining an individual temporary licence from
the visited CEPT country. Good experience with this system is gained.

The Recommendation as revised in 1992 has the aim to make it possible
for non-CEPT countries to participate in this licensing system. The
appropriate provisions for this are found mainly in the new Appendices
III and IV. The original Recommendation had to be adapted slightly,
but it retains the same applicability within CEPT as before.

The Recommendation as revised in 2003 reflects the outcome of WRC-03
concerning Article 25 of the ITU Radio Regulations. The mandatory
Morse code requirement has been removed and the number of amateur
classes has been reduced from two to one.

"The European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications
Administrations,

considering

a) that the Amateur Service and Amateur Satellite Service are
Radiocommunications Services according to Article 1 of the ITU Radio
Regulations and governed by other provisions of the ITU Radio
Regulations as well as national regulations,

b) that it is necessary to harmonise licensing procedures for
temporary use of radio amateur stations in CEPT countries and non-CEPT
countries,

c) that Administrations are responsible, in accordance with Article 25
of the ITU Radio Regulations to verify the operational and technical
qualifications of any person wishing to operate an amateur station.

d) that in accordance with Article 25 of the ITU Radio Regulations
(rev WRC-03), administrations shall determine whether or not a person
seeking a licence to operate an amateur station shall demonstrate the
ability to send and receive texts in Morse code signals;

e) that the ability to send and receive texts in Morse code signals is
not required for the purpose of this Recommendation;
f) that the issue and administration of temporary licences to foreign
visitors based on bilateral agreements involves a considerable
increase in work for Administrations,

g) that the International Amateur Radio Union (IARU) supports the
simplification of procedures to obtain temporary operational
privileges for foreign visitors in CEPT countries and in other
countries,

noting that

this Recommendation bears no relation to the import and export of
amateur radio equipment, which is subject only to relevant customs
regulations,

noting further that

despite the procedures of this Recommendation, Administrations always
have the right to require separate bilateral agreements when
recognising the radio amateur licences issued by foreign
Administrations,

recommends

1) that CEPT member Administrations recognise the principle of the
CEPT radio amateur licence issued under the conditions specified in
Appendices I and II, on which the Administrations of the countries
visited will not levy administrative charges or spectrum fees.

2) that Administrations, not being members of CEPT, accepting the
provisions of this Recommendation, may apply for participation in
accordance with the conditions laid down in Appendices III and IV".

Please check the ERO web site (http//:www.ERO.dk) for the up to date
position on the implementation of this and other ECC and ERC
Recommendations

Appendix I

GENERAL CONDITIONS FOR THE ISSUE OF THE
"CEPT RADIO AMATEUR LICENCE"

1. GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATING TO "CEPT RADIO AMATEUR LICENCE"

The ''CEPT radio amateur licence" can be included in the national
licence or be a special document issued by the same authority, and
will be drafted in the national language and in German, English and
French; it will be valid for non-residents only, for the duration of
their temporary stays in countries having adopted the Recommendation,
and within the limit of validity of the national licence. Radio
amateurs holding a temporary licence issued in a foreign country may
not benefit from the provisions of the Recommendation.

The minimum requirements for a "CEPT radio amateur licence'' will be:

i) indication that the document is a CEPT amateur licence;
ii) a declaration according to which the holder is authorised to
utilise an amateur radio station in accordance with this
Recommendation in countries where the latter applies;
iii) the name and address of the holder;
iv) the call sign;
v) the validity;
vi) the issuing authority.

A list may be added or provided indicating the Administrations
applying the Recommendation.

The CEPT Licence permits utilisation of all frequency bands allocated
to the Amateur Service and Amateur Satellite Service and authorised in
the country where the amateur station is to be operated.
2. CONDITIONS OF UTILISATION

2.1 On request the licence holder shall present his CEPT radio amateur
licence to the appropriate authorities in the country visited.

2.2 The licence holder shall observe the provisions of the ITU Radio
Regulations, this Recommendation and the regulations in force in the
country visited. Furthermore, any restrictions concerning national and
local conditions of a technical nature or regarding the public
authorities must be respected. Special attention should be paid to the
difference in frequency allocations to the radio amateur services in
the three ITU Regions.

2.3 When transmitting in the visited country the licence holder must
use his national call sign preceded by the call sign prefix of the
visited country as indicated in Appendices II and IV. The call sign
prefix and the national call sign must be separated by the character
"/" (telegraphy) or the word "stroke" (telephony).

2.4 The licence holder cannot request protection against harmful
interference.

3. EQUIVALENCE BETWEEN THE CEPT LICENCE AND NATIONAL LICENCES

3.1 The equivalence between the CEPT licence and national licences in
CEPT countries is given in Appendix II.

3.2 The equivalence between the CEPT licence and national licences in
non-CEPT countries is given in Appendix IV.

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
.uk.net wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

Don't listen to hom. He is Irish. They all have chip on shoulder.

" Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

Thierry, unfortunately a lot of the "amateurs" on this group, as unemployed
layabout who have psychological problems in relating to other people in a
normal way. Unfortunately they seem to have a lot fo time to spend o this
group to annoy others and post silly remarks.

Thierry, I value your interesting posts to this group and hope the idots
will no put you off writing in.

I find the use of the "block sender" function a great relief it stopping me
seeing the known regular idiots.

Rgds

Richard SO5GB

have n
"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
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"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
.uk.net wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Anything that ****es off the likes of Airy R. Bean is fine by me.
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.

In article , Thierry writes
Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

Read http://www.ero.dk/documentation/docs...asp?docid=1802 (doc or
HTTP)

massive snip

Why provide a link and then copy the whole thing here?

This is only a recommendation ATM.

73 -
--
Frank Erskine

"Richard" wrote in message
...
Thierry, unfortunately a lot of the "amateurs" on this group, as
unemployed
layabout who have psychological problems in relating to other people in a
normal way. Unfortunately they seem to have a lot fo time to spend o this
group to annoy others and post silly remarks.

FYI, on fr.rec.radio.amateur we experimented the same problems with some
gangsters who pirated the forum.
These problems occured during months or even 1 year. For some days the
problem is solved but there a guy that manually removes the "bad guy"'s
posts according the contain of their message (injury, etc)
Now that forum is only frequented by "ordinary" OM and SWL.

Thierry

Thierry, I value your interesting posts to this group and hope the idots
will no put you off writing in.

I find the use of the "block sender" function a great relief it stopping
me
seeing the known regular idiots.

Rgds

Richard SO5GB

have n
"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
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"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
In article , Thierry writes
Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

Read http://www.ero.dk/documentation/docs...asp?docid=1802 (doc
or
HTTP)

massive snip

Why provide a link and then copy the whole thing here?

Think to it at twice...
In the case of you cannot connect to that website.
Bad idea, I don't think so.

Thierry

This is only a recommendation ATM.

73 -
--
Frank Erskine

The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth.....

Richard wrote in message
...
Thierry, unfortunately a lot of the "amateurs" on this group, as
unemployed
layabout who have psychological problems in relating to other people in a
normal way. Unfortunately they seem to have a lot fo time to spend o this
group to annoy others and post silly remarks.

In uk.radio.amateur, Geoffrey Blackmoor Stephenson said:

The CBer reveals himself every time that he opens his mouth.....

*Plonk*

--
M3EQK
CBR1000FL - Red, white and blue - Big Bimbler
GSF600 Bandit - For Sale

"Dave" wrote in message
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Don't listen to hom. He is Irish. They all have chip on shoulder.

Maybe so, but at least he knows how to post correctly.

BTW, you should consider investing in a spell checker!

HTH
tox

"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
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"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

Are you saying that it doesn't appeal directly to CBers ??

Steve Terry

"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote in message
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"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

As usual, anything the French have to do with is all screwed up.

Dan/W4NTI

"Thierry" Thierry, see http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ a cru bon de
raconter en ce si beau jour :

Salut Thierry

Hi Thierry

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:39:11 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

DÃ©jÃ* lu, ailleurs...

Read, in an other time, world, universe...

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such
post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

--
Gilbert
Station amateur F4ASK
LE HAVRE

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:30:38 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY

and as usual... u dont bother to look at my nntp-header.

and u obviously have not been on this newsgroup long either!

because if you were
1. u would have seen plenty of cb'ers howl and moan about morse code
2. u would have read me saying that i passed the 12wpm morse +test+
the second go ...but did not moan about having to pass.
3. u would have read a cb'er describe access to the bands as a
"bargain"
4. u would have read people moan about morse code being old but at the
same time read the same people say that after sitting a morse
joke-test that they now have an m3 callsign.

anonymous ?????? ha! read the lazy b-licensees postings and u +will+
see anonymous!

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:33:38 -0000, "Dirty Airy"
wrote:

Maybe so, but at least he knows how to post correctly.

BTW, you should consider investing in a spell checker!

HTH
tox

said a cb'er

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:38:33 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

FYI, on fr.rec.radio.amateur we experimented the same problems with some
gangsters who pirated the forum.
These problems occured during months or even 1 year. For some days the
problem is solved but there a guy that manually removes the "bad guy"'s
posts according the contain of their message (injury, etc)
Now that forum is only frequented by "ordinary" OM and SWL.

Thierry

ah yes,,, the high-guillotine (sp?)

typical.... u dont agree - block them

budlist me if you like Thierry... it will be YOUR LOSS!

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:10:25 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this
mindspring.com wrote:

As usual, anything the French have to do with is all screwed up.

Dan/W4NTI

shhhhh!
and whatever you do ...dont mention LANCE ARMSTRONG!

On 28 Oct 2003 20:50:26 GMT, F4ASK wrote:

Hi,
Official : no more CW and only 1 ham class.

yes..thats right cb class with multiband access

DÃ©jÃ* lu, ailleurs...

Read, in an other time, world, universe...

NO!
JUST LISTEN TO THE BANDS!

10-4!

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
.uk.net wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:30:38 +0100, "Thierry" Thierry, see
http://www.astrosurf.com/lombry/ wrote:

Your mind wide open as I see, like as all "anonymous" post. Pfff.
You do really not reflect the ham spirit. Its a pity to read such post.

ON4SKY, LX3SKY
....

anonymous ?????? ha! read the lazy b-licensees postings and u +will+
see anonymous!

Not from all of us...

Martin (G8FXC)

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:14:40 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

anonymous ?????? ha! read the lazy b-licensees postings and u +will+
see anonymous!

Not from all of us...

Martin (G8FXC)

there is no proof whatsoever that you are anyone even related to any
callsign you give.

The same goes for a certain LEAD INSTRUCTOR who could be in fact
a G3xxx since the days when he in the trenches reporting back at 40wpm
with one hand while digging a fox hole with the other !

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:14:40 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

anonymous ?????? ha! read the lazy b-licensees postings and u +will+
see anonymous!

Not from all of us...

Martin (G8FXC)

there is no proof whatsoever that you are anyone even related to any
callsign you give.

True, but then the same could be said of everyone here, so don't single out
the class Bs

Martin (G8FXC)

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:56:50 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

"class_a_zpk_12wpm"
o.uk.net wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 12:14:40 -0000, "Martin"
wrote:

anonymous ?????? ha! read the lazy b-licensees postings and u +will+
see anonymous!

Not from all of us...

Martin (G8FXC)

there is no proof whatsoever that you are anyone even related to any
callsign you give.

True, but then the same could be said of everyone here, so don't single out
the class Bs

Martin (G8FXC)

since when did i single out class-b's ?

me thinks youre logic has a touch of the filtons.

On 30 Oct 2003 16:05:57 GMT, Alun Palmer wrote:

there is no proof whatsoever that you are anyone even related to any
callsign you give.

The same goes for a certain LEAD INSTRUCTOR who could be in fact
a G3xxx since the days when he in the trenches reporting back at 40wpm
with one hand while digging a fox hole with the other !

Now you've really gone off at a tangent. I suppose you assume that G8s
must be ashamed of their calls. Nothing could be further from the truth.

G8VUK
oh boys oh boys....theyre all lining up now!!!

tangent - not me !

i never said that g8's were ever ashamed of their callsigns.
AND YOU KNOW IT!

It is my opinion if any G8 expects to be taken seriously by many who
HAVE got their finger out and EARNED THEIR PRIVILEGE OF HF ACCESS
where certain G8's havent even bothered to try then it is my opinion
that those g8's are sadly misguided.

the fact remains:
ANYONE WITH A G8xxx CALLSIGN HAS HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THROUGH A
SIMPLE 12 or 5WPM MORSE TEST.