"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 08:49:35 -0000, "Brian Reay"
wrote:

The only purposes of introducing the Foundation Licence were (1) to
increase (in the short term) the RSCB's membership numbers and (2) to
provide a new market for commercially made, type approved radio
equipment.

IF that was the only reason, why are the RSGB pushing the IL, new RAE,
and
"Beyond the RAE"?

To sell books, of course.



Which is exactly where your logic falls over.

You keep claiming that few will have the incentive or will to progress from
the FL- if this were the case then the market for the books would be
unecomonically small- especially as there are alternative sources of free
study material.

Hoist by you own petard ;-)


Hardly progressive.

No, you would prefer to go back the (supposed) good old days, I assume.

There was nothing wrong with the system that served us well and
excluded the rank CB-ers from our bands.


Well, I'm happy to admit I'd rather share "our bands" with ex CBers than
those who jam, or condone the jamming, of repeaters etc.

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Walt Davidson wrote:

A Veteran Has Lung wrote:

With respect Walt, I think there is a very large generalisation in your
statement.One MW3 admitting to running 50 watts is a drop in the water
compared to the 5000+ M3s. May I respectfully ask what published data you
take the last statement from?

Surely you do not expect them to *publish* details of their
regulation-breaking? Even M3's are not that stupid.


Some of them are. I have listened to several M3s on different
occasions talking (bragging) about their activities on 27MHz SSB and
the long distance copies they got.

I had occasion to switch off my eQSO gateway rather quickly this
afternoon when an M3 in this area started telling Michael Jackson
jokes over the air to another M3 in front of a world wide audience.

Chris

Says it all about the M3/CB Fools' Licensee, really.....

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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Well, I'm happy to admit I'd rather share "our bands" with ex CBers

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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You keep claiming that few will have the incentive or will to progress
from
the FL- if this were the case then the market for the books would be
unecomonically small- especially as there are alternative sources of free
study material.

I quite agree. But the RSCB can't seem to see this.

Oh, as I believe is the case, they can see the progression is happening and
are not basing their actions on half baked bigotry.

When our club formed earlier in the year we had 25 or so members- mostly M3,
some 2Es and 3 Full licensees. We've grown to 30 or so, all the newcomers
were either M3s or not licensed.

We've now got 5 Full licensees (plus hopefully another after Monday's RAE
exam) and only a handfull of M3s- all the rest have progressed to the IL and
most of those are working on the new Full licence exam (three are delaying
for good reasons).

At the Train the Trainers there were 35+ tutors planning and expecting to
run replacement RAE courses, as well as IL courses. One club has coures
booked up a year in advance (and not just FL courses either). I'm having
to coach some M3s through their IL in parallel with running a replacement
RAE course as they want to do the Feb 04 Full exam. I've already got
'names' for the next IL course- probably no due to start before Mar 04.

Not exactly indicative of no one wanting to progress, is it?

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Brian
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Better to be a king amongst servants, than a servant amongst kings?

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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When our club formed earlier in the year we had 25 or so members- mostly
M3,
some 2Es and 3 Full licensees. We've grown to 30 or so, all the newcomers
were either M3s or not licensed.

Well I am finding it hard to understand why everyone is so full of bull****
comments, at the end of the day the new licence structure is here to stay,
and it doesnt matter what you say on hear it aint gonna change it.

I also think that the new structure is the way forward, or at least a way
forward, as it offers newcomers a way into the hobby and lets face it at
the end of the day thats all it is A Hobby.

If the new licence system brings in cbers then so be it, I was on cb before
I was on amateur radio and unlike most of you lot I am not afraid to admit
it, I was also accused of being a pirate when I first got my G6 call
(g6xpj).

The persecution of having a new series of call has obviously not faded since
the 1980's, as it is still happeng today with the m3's.

Cheers Chris - G0TOO
Think of it this way, we are unprotected and if the number of licenced
amatuershad dropped even more then we may have started to loose frequencies.


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"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:03:17 +0000, Chris Kirby
wrote:

Some of them are. I have listened to several M3s on different
occasions talking (bragging) about their activities on 27MHz SSB and
the long distance copies they got.

I had occasion to switch off my eQSO gateway rather quickly this
afternoon when an M3 in this area started telling Michael Jackson
jokes over the air to another M3 in front of a world wide audience.

Both are indicative of the type of people we are now encouraging into
amateur radio.

73 de G3NYY

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Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

That's not true. The requirement to pass a Morse Test
was changed, so that those Class Bers who were not
really dedicated to Ham Radio, who were either too
stupid, too lazy, or both to tackle and pass the 12 WPM
Morse Test, can now go onto HF.

(This ne'er do well attitude is recognised by the authorities
who now issue a "Full" licence as oppose to a "Class A"
licence to disambiguate the real hams from the lazy good-for-nothings)

The Novice Licence, which was generally a good thing
has come and gone (NO, it wasn't the same as the Sick Licence)

At one time you needed separate licences for mobile operation
and TV; now you don't.

So, yer wrong. There is no guarantee that anything is here to stay,
and as changes have arisen as the result of discourse, the second
part of what you said below ain't right either.

"Chris - G0TOO" wrote in message
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.....the new licence structure is here to stay,
and it doesnt matter what you say on hear it aint gonna change it.

You are so right and apart from the threads Brian Reay and the odd other
contributor puts on here
that is the most sensible thing I have seen.

The norm on here are the pratts who consider themselves to be the "superior
race" and know it all
but if you look at the odd technical type thread they put on they actually
know very little.
Heard on 2mtrs conversation between two G?3 - Dont know anything about
radios or antenas
would rely on mates to sort
Basic questions on set up that any CBer let along M3s would know
No knowledge whatsoever of PC set ups (relating to radio)

Now onto a more serious point, this is a facility that could be put to
proper use. In Amateur Radio
there are two monthly magazines Practical Wireless & Radcom in which
newcomers can read and
learn, this is quite unusual for any hobby to be so lacking.
Compared with lets say 15/20 years ago there is a big reduction in the
number of traders who one
can pick up tips and info from.

There is however a large band of dedicated Radio Amateurs who have accepted
the reducing numbers
and give their time freely to educate and enhance the hobby giving newcomers
the opportunity to
enjoy Amateur Radio and progress through the hobby.
To them I say thank you to them for what they do and also the many who help
and support newcomers
over the airwaves.
To the rest snobs, pratts or whatever that come on here - grow up, go away,
you are not wanted


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The CBer reveals himself every time he opens his mouth

O how wrong you are see G3s dont know everything!!!!!!!!!!


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This is a Ham Radio NG, and the norm on here is qualified
Radio Hams participating in a technical pursuit; a technical
pursuit for which they wish the standards to be maintained.

However, there is no snobbery involved. All comers are
encouraged to make an effort to apply themselves to tackle
and then pass the RAE.

Only someone who was ignorant, and was stupid enough to
want to remain ignorant would perceive that the qualified Radio
Hams had a superiority complex.

Are you ignorant?

Do you wish to remain so?

As to knowing very little, a posting here is typical only a few lines
typed in quickly from the top of one's head. it is very rarely a
reasoned discourse of the sort that would be expected in a
_PROPER_ exam. As in verbal communication, the depth of
technical knowledge is revealed by ongoing snippets of
conversation. When you are introduced to someone who professes
expertise, he does not immediately launch into a 10-hour lecture that
reveals all that he knows in great depth!

"dodger" wrote in message
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The norm on here are the pratts who consider themselves to be the
"superior
race" and know it all
but if you look at the odd technical type thread they put on they actually
know very little.