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"Louis C. LeVine" wrote in message om... This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining. Louis I don't like them because the head bosses see themselves as self-appointed gods of ham radio.... at least at one point in time they were trying to get the FCC to hand over authority of the ham radio spectrum to them entirely. Clint |
Mike Coslo wrote in message ...
Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote: (Louis C. LeVine) wrote in message . com... This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining. Louis And just exactly what do you expect that they could do for $10.00 a month? Please name me ONE organization in ANY "hobby" activity that provdes the scope of servcies and resources the ARRL offers to it's target peer group. Awaiting your informed response. I think this is one of those cases where some people think that their membership is a subscription to QST. Its a lot more than that. ARRL does a lot for Amateurs, even those who hate the organization. - Mike KB3EIA - Fair enough. I dislike some of the policies that the ARRL has promoted in the past, and felt as if the ARRL did not represent me even though I have been a member since 1986. Luckily, the FCC went over the ARRL's head and showed a little lesdership with respect to licensing issues. 73, Brian |
"Brian" wrote in message om... Mike Coslo wrote in message ... Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote: (Louis C. LeVine) wrote in message . com... This came from another radio group. They are doing a survey to find out why some people do not like the ARRL. I don't like it because it costs to much. If it were $10 a year I might consider joining. Louis And just exactly what do you expect that they could do for $10.00 a month? Please name me ONE organization in ANY "hobby" activity that provdes the scope of servcies and resources the ARRL offers to it's target peer group. Awaiting your informed response. I think this is one of those cases where some people think that their membership is a subscription to QST. Its a lot more than that. ARRL does a lot for Amateurs, even those who hate the organization. - Mike KB3EIA - Fair enough. I dislike some of the policies that the ARRL has promoted in the past, and felt as if the ARRL did not represent me even though I have been a member since 1986. Did you get actively involved? Did you become a section director? Did you campaign to sway the majority to your opinion? Or did you just write a letter or two complaining and were disappointed because it didn't instantly change the ARRL's policies? If you want your point of view to be policy then you have to become very politically active in an organization. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Ragchewer wrote: Why do I not like the ARRL? I will answer that with another question. Would you trust a gang of Yankee carpetbaggers, the same bunch who stole from the southerners at the end of the War Between The States? You would? Good! Sign up for life membership with the rest of the NewingtonYankee gang. As for me, the league can go f..k itself, since that is what it has been doing to the rest of us for decades. RC Don't tell us. Send it to: Reply-to: with your real email addy. |
Clint wrote: I don't like them because the head bosses see themselves as self-appointed gods of ham radio.... at least at one point in time they were trying to get the FCC to hand over authority of the ham radio spectrum to them entirely. Clint Don't tell us. Send it to: Reply-to: with your real email addy. |
"JEP" wrote:
I don't like ARRL because: 1) Membership price too high 2) Can't separate QST from membership (snip) Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I haven't seen it since. When I asked the manager about it, he looked on the computer and said the magazine was no longer available from the supplier. This was surprising since the magazine sold out almost immediately each month (I missed several issues because of that). The newsgroups rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.cb has been deleted from this reply (discussion is off-topic in those newsgroups). Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I haven't seen it since. At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues, and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote Did you become a section director? Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members. There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant 'Section Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to that position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not a life member.) Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant? 73, de Hans, K0HB |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net... "Dr. Daffodil Swain" wrote Did you become a section director? Those jobs are reserved for Lifetime Members. There is no such animal as a 'section director'. Perhaps you meant 'Section Manager'. There is no requirement to be a life member to be elected to that position. Neither is there such a requirement for Division Director or Division Vice Director (I was twice elected to that position, and I'm not a life member.) Doncha just hate it when facts come into play and spoil your lovely rant? 73, de Hans, K0HB It continually amazes me Hans. BTW, THanks for the chat on 20. I am playing a bit in the 10 meter contest, CW only. Dan/W4NTI |
"JEP" wrote in message om... And just who is ????? I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it. The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER! The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years. The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating under a non-profit status. The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it on the news stands. Bye bye ARRL. Bye bye ham radio as we know it. JEP It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"KØHB" wrote:
"Dwight Stewart" wrote Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I haven't seen it since. At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues, and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand! There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans. In my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able to deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent with each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year. The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to the USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the magazine for several years). I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine so far. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
Ham Radio started down hill when the ARRL ramed throught the "Incensing
Licensing Program" in the sixites. . Some say the FCC done it, Sorry the ARRL started it and talked the FCC into it. I know I lived through it. It's been down hill every since then and will never change but just get worse. Such a shame a great hobby was screwed up. Yes the ARRL does some good but only if it helps their image or pocketbook. |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message om... And just who is ????? I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it. The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER! The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years. The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating under a non-profit status. The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it on the news stands. Bye bye ARRL. Bye bye ham radio as we know it. JEP It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE DDF, Profits My Ass [.] - - - They can soon disappear through... = = = High Priced Management and Staff Salaries ? ? ? gc ~ RHF .. .. |
It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble. Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's, DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps itself! We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House before too long. Get a magazine and win a million |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Un-friggin-believable. Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries. |
JEP wrote:
It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble. Hey! You forgot to call them liberals! Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's, DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps itself! Lessee, just from their website, I've looked up exam dates and locations, Contest dates and rules, Hamfest dates and locations. I've downloaded project and info PDF's from them, looked up callsigns and matched names with callsigns. Looked through the swap section of the site, and been informed and sometimes entertained by the FCC enforcement news. Off the web, I've used their hints and kinks books, and I'd be lost without the Handbook. And those are just the superficial things, not counting the spectrum work and really critical stuff such as BPL. Yup, sure signs of an organization that only helps itself! Good luck with this one now! - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
Several of us have already listed the numerous benefits of the ARRL. Well, there you have it. What benefits Dee must benefit all. Again how did you voice your dissent? Did you get actively and heavily involved? Doesn't sound like it. If you did get involved, you did not convince the majority of members to change to your point of view. Must one become El Supremo Commandant to have an organization that they belong to and pay dues to represent them? Must be so in this case. Instead you choose to have little to no impact on proposed changes by the FCC. Actually, the road the FCC took is closer to leadership of the ARS than the road that the ARRL took. Yes I know individuals can write letters but a decent sized lobby has a far greater effect. Which is the very saddest part of the whole episode. An organized body can much more effectively solicit the backing of other affected groups on questions like BPL. It is necessary for the ARRL to fight BPL - it threatens their very existence. Being "One voice in the maelstrom" is a waste of one's time as it will be completely obliterated by that maelstrom. Being in the minority doesn't necessarily make one wrong nor necessarily make ones efforts a waste of time. Galileo Now I do not say that everyone should be a member of ARRL. That is up to the individual. However if you are not, then don't complain about their policies. Don't complain when BPL makes HF useless in your area. Don't complain when VHF/UHF frequencies get reallocated to commercial uses. Don't complain if the government should choose to eliminate amateur radio entirely as it has tried to do twice in the past. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Yes, yes, Dee. Of course. Whatever you say. ARRL spam-bot. |
"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message k.net...
Correct, and in other words. If you want to change it, you have to be on the inside. Dan/W4NTI Wrong, Dan. And don't go turning into a spam-bot sychophant. Hanoi Jane tried that approach with the NRA, and none of us seem to have our very own NVA anti-aircraft guns to sit behind. With respect to the ARRL: Withholding dues money changes them. Not purchasing their products changes them. Denouncing their policies changes them. Voicing your concerns directly to the FCC cuts out the middleman. |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"JEP" wrote in message om... And just who is ????? I have given a real email address and feel free to respond to it. The ARRL hasn't represented the membership directly---EVER! The ARRL has had it's own agenda (big money) for years. The ARRL would be considered a large corp. in most sectors, operating under a non-profit status. The only good about the ARRL is/was QST and now I can't even find it on the news stands. Bye bye ARRL. Bye bye ham radio as we know it. JEP It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. That's a ****-poor approach for an organization who'se charter says its for publishing. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Its about salaries, not profits. every other non-profit. |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message nk.net... "KØHB" wrote: "Dwight Stewart" wrote Several years ago (four or five), QST was available at the Barnes and Noble bookstore in this area. But it then disappeared off the shelf and I haven't seen it since. At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues, and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand! There are circumstances that might require one to be an "idiot," Hans. In my case, I purchased it at the news stand because ARRL never seemed able to deliver my copy of the magazine (not fast enough to keep up with me). The first time I joined, my address changed several times in a single year. I joined at my home here. Two months later, I went elsewhere to prepare for our operations in Kosovo. Several months later, I went to Italy for the actual Kosovo conflict itself. Even though a change of address was sent with each move, I received only one issue of the magazine that year. The second year was pretty much the same as the first. I moved back to the USA, moved several months later, and finally ended up back here again two months after that. I got two issues of the magazine that year and didn't rejoin at the end of the year (and didn't make any effort to get the magazine for several years). I joined ARRL again this year and have gotten each copy of the magazine so far. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per se. I had similar problems when I was globe trotting, like you. But when I finally did settle down I dropped both QST and CQ a note...and guess what? They sent me every single issue I missed. Amazing, hu? Dan/W4NTI |
"Brian" wrote She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official bulletin station? And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping up and down and acting silly for our amusement. With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs, de Hans, K0HB/4ID |
"JEP" wrote in message om... It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Creative book keeping and Yankee lawyers keeps them out of trouble. Are they making a profit? Hell yes. No profit, No ARRL. Can they legally hide their profit? Well sure. With all of the books, CD's, DVD's, tapes and magazines they sell every year you know there is a profit. They are no different than GoodWill when it comes to making a profit except that Goodwill actually helps people. ARRL only helps itself! We will probably see QST being hawked in Publishers Clearing House before too long. Get a magazine and win a million If they are making a profit, then who is getting the money?? It's got to be going somewhere. There are no stockholders receiving dividends. It doesn't do any good just to sit on the money. And don't say salaries as that is fully documented in the financial records and is not profit. If you believe the salaries are too high, get on the board that makes the decisions and reduce them. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Un-friggin-believable. Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries. If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Mike Coslo wrote in message t...
Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us. 1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about hams than it does the ARRL. Are you saying that I'm a sucker? 2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - World peace? |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message om... Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating, word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official bulletin station? Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it to change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not consider differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can change the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect the opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in any organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt it. Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap, blah blah. The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way. |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 0:03:17 -0600, Brian wrote
(in message ) : Mike Coslo wrote in message t... Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us. 1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about hams than it does the ARRL. Are you saying that I'm a sucker? 2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - World peace? Are you also wondering what the ARRL has to do with swling? Perhaps it is time to add "ARRL" to "syphilis" and "Hal Turner" in my "social disease" killfool. Gray Shockley -------------------------- Entropy Maintenance Technician Tao Chemical Company -------------------------- http://www.compcomm.com/ Vicksburg, Mississippi US |
"KØHB" wrote in message ink.net...
"Brian" wrote She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official bulletin station? And you are, more or less, the official LHA junior-Unabasher. I want you to be fully aware of your role in rrap, Brian. It goes like this: LHA is the organ grinder, playing a song called "I Left My Heart in ADA, and Newington Won't Give It Back". You are the little monkey in a bright red hat hopping up and down and acting silly for our amusement. With all best wishes for the recovery of your missing T5 logs, de Hans, K0HB/4ID Brakejob/4ID, the only problem with your little organ grinder/monkey scenario is that is didn't play out here. You smell like you've been ****ed on, so perhaps you've got some other monkey scenario going on there. In any case, its none of my biddness what you do in the privacy of your home so please stop trying to entertain us with it here. With all kind wished for a speedy recovery, my T5 logs are intact. You're still not in them, so don't solicit for an unearned card. Brian |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Un-friggin-believable. Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries. If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Who said they were too high? They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the excess. It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is. |
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote: You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per se. Of course. I wasn't complaining about not getting the magazine - only explaining why I purchased the magazine at a book store. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Brian" wrote in message
om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Un-friggin-believable. Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries. If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Who said they were too high? They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the excess. It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is. Oh yeah...non-profit is the best place to be...And, the greates exploiter of human emotion, etc. With little effort, the dollars churn in--most people don't file for the donation they are entitled to (only large donations whose contributors are also playing the non-profit game). That's why I'd like to see the tax structure change to some kind of percentage across the board. The *only* entity that would not have to pay any would be a church--and that only for the church building, its parking lot, and its parish. If they've got a private school, nursing home, etc., they pay. And, no deductions for *anyone* or *anything* across the board. Colgate, Mr. Bates, and me all pay the same percentage of tax out of our income; that's it--end of game. Kim W5TIT Kim W5TIT |
"Kim W5TIT" wrote:
(snip) The *only* entity that would not have to pay any would be a church-- and that only for the church building, its parking lot, and its parish. If they've got a private school, nursing home, etc., they pay. (snip) Why limit any exclusion to just the church building, parking lot, and parish? Since churches have been running schools, colleges, homeless shelters, women and youth shelters, food kitchens, youth camps and sports activities, hospitals, nursing homes, and so on, for many years (some long before this country was created and each requiring buildings, land, or equipment), such a limit would have a serious impact on many traditional church activities. The newsgroup "rec.radio.cb" deleted from this message. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
RHF wrote:
WHAT I DO NOT UNDERSTAND IS . . . = = = The 'same' People Who Want Total Separation of Church and State. = = = Want to Tax Churches and Any Religious Charitable Activities. I For One Believe That: There Should be Separation of Organized Church and Organized State. But that there IS the 'personal' FREEDOM to be a Religious Person 'within' the State Setting. NO Taxation of ANY Religious Activities or Properties. The Simple Fast Is: For about 150 Years before the Personal Income Tax and the Creation of the IRS by the Government of the USofA. The were NO Laws establishing Taxation of Religious Properties and Charitable Giving (Restricting Religious Freedom). God Bless America ~ RHF If you don't understand it, then allow me to help. The term "separation of church and state" does not appear in the US Constitution, nor the Declaration of Independence. The closest thing to it is in the First Amendment, which starts with my favorite five words: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ..." Only a lawyer could claim not to understand the plain meaning of those words. Dave |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Brian" wrote in message om... Dee got on early supporting the status quo; hook,line and sinker. She is a perfect mouth-piece for the ARRL, and I've heard her repeating, word for word, the policies of this organization. She is, more or less, an official ARRL spam-bot. Wonder if she is an official bulletin station? Not hardly. I disapprove of some of the policies but I do not expect it to change when my view doesn't represent the majority view. I do not consider differences of opinion on some policies to be reason to stop supporting them. Also I merely state that non-members shouldn't think they can change the policies. The ARRL policies, as with any organization, will reflect the opinions of the majority of members. Someone with a minority opinion in any organization will have to work very hard to get the majority to adopt it. Organizations have no obligation to reflect the opinion of non-members. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Oh, BS, Dee. You just got through saying that if you don't belong, if you don't rise to the top of the food chain, blah blah, horse crap, blah blah. The ARRL wants to be the -ONE- voice for the ARS. I suggest that they start with forward thinking leadership representing all, not just their CW-centric membership. Or get out of the way. There you show how out of date you are. In recent years, the ARRL has shifted to a neutral stand on CW. Their efforts have indeed been centered on more important issues. What policies do you think the ARRL should be focusing on? They have to pick and choose. And again they have to pick the issues that the majority of their members want not the minority and not non-members. If they don't, they'll be voted out of office and someone will be put in who will do it that way. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Brian" wrote in message om... Were you in the majority?? If not then why should everyone else change to suit you. The FCC spoke. And what they spoke was not ARRL majority opinion. What do you make of that, Dee? Very simple. The ARRL only has the power to lobby. They cannot force the FCC to go along with the ARRL opinion. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... It probably was no longer cost effective to sell it on newstands. If the ARRL is making money (a no-no for a non-profit corp) then report them to the IRS. If they are not making money, then no matter how big they are, it is not about money since no one is making a profit. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Un-friggin-believable. Non-profits aren't about profit. They're about salaries. If the salaries are too high, get on the board and get them reduced. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Who said they were too high? They have to balance their books somehow (to avoid the appearance of profit), and the salary is the most convenient place to dump the excess. It's about your ignorance of what a non-profit really is. Ok where is the money going?? You said they dump it into salaries thus implying that said salaries are artificially inflated and then indicate that you don't think the salaries are too high. Which is it? Facts please, not emotional innuendo. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Brian wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote in message t... Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us. 1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about hams than it does the ARRL. Are you saying that I'm a sucker? Don't think so. I'm a member too. 2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - World peace? I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled peas some time. - Mike KB3EIA |
Mike Coslo wrote:
I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled peas some time. - Mike KB3EIA Finally something I can relate to in rec.radio.cb . Homegrown peas and butter. Mmmmm! Thanks for sharing this thread with us CBer's. |
I eat my peas with honey,
I've done it all my life. It makes the peas taste funny, But it keeps them on my knife. -SSB Mike Coslo wrote: Brian wrote: Mike Coslo wrote in message t... Won't happen, Dan. People like that have selective memory. They'll rail about how QST doesn't have articles about what they want to see, and conveniently forget about the important jobs ARRL does for us. 1. That only a minority of hams belong to ARRL speaks much more about hams than it does the ARRL. Are you saying that I'm a sucker? Don't think so. I'm a member too. 2. I would challenge the ARRL haters to come up with scenario's of what the ARS would be like today (if it even existed) if there was no ARRL. - Mike KB3EIA - World peace? I prefer my peas boiled with butter, though I might like to try whirled peas some time. - Mike KB3EIA |
sideband wrote:
I eat my peas with honey, I've done it all my life. It makes the peas taste funny, But it keeps them on my knife. -SSB I like it!! - mike KB3EIA - |
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