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"Dwight Stewart" wrote: Why limit any exclusion to just the church building, parking lot, and parish? Since churches have been running schools, colleges, homeless shelters, women and youth shelters, food kitchens, youth camps and sports activities, hospitals, nursing homes, and so on, for many years (some long before this country was created and each requiring buildings, land, or equipment), such a limit would have a serious impact on many traditional church activities. If we are going all the way on separation of church and state, why should they get any special status beyond what other non-profit organization would get? There is very little special special status involved. Every non-profit organization can write off the costs for buildings, land, facilities, equipment, personnel, and so on. Any remaining special status, and again there is very little, is covered by the "free exercise thereof" clause of the First Amendment - "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof..." In my opinion, we cannot "go all the way on separation of church and state" without violating the "free excercise thereof" clause. If anyone were to argue to ignore the "free excercise thereof" clause, others could just as easily argue to ignore the "establishment of religion" clause. Luckily, both clauses exist and people who truly believe in the Bill of Rights should honor and defend both. Many people are not doing so today. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com...
And what efforts did you make to convert the majority of members to your point of view?? While the items you list are worthy activities, they don't do much to change policy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, what ARRL office(s) do you hold in your effort to stem the tide of changes within the ARS? If your answer is "none," I suggest you start campaigning yesterday. |
"Brian" wrote in message om... "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... And what efforts did you make to convert the majority of members to your point of view?? While the items you list are worthy activities, they don't do much to change policy. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Dee, what ARRL office(s) do you hold in your effort to stem the tide of changes within the ARS? If your answer is "none," I suggest you start campaigning yesterday. When and if I wish to change ARRL policy, I'll dive into the political arena. I'm not the one complaining about ARRL policies. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Not in the Mid-Michigan area.....can't find any radio related magazine
anymore! (except for something like Popular Electronics) Heard some vicious rumor about the anti-radio relay league pulling magazines from "shelf sales" recently but I cannot confirm this. Ryan KC8PMX -- "The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but to make him a priest." "JJ" wrote in message ... JEP wrote: 2) Can't separate QST from membership Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. |
That would be true if they were selling only ONE copy of it, but when I
COULD find a copy of it locally, due to the fact that it almost ALWAYS sold out each month, I inquired as to how many copies they got at the closest store. They said 15 per issue. So your math would be in slight error. Multiply that number by 15 and you get $718.56. Not bad for only one magazine, and when you consider they usually have at least 100 or more magazines on their shelves. Ryan KC8PMX -- "The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but to make him a priest." At $4.99/mo ($59.88/yr) plus tax, I'm sure it wasn't a high volume business for Barnes and Noble, since that's a 53% premium over the membership dues, and you don't get the other benefits which comes with membership. Only an idiot would regularly buy QST from a news stand! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
You do realize that the ARRL has the publication and distribution of QST contracted out, don't you? You should crab to them, not the league per se. Cop out excuse. A person's beef would be with the ARRL, not the contracted agency, and it would be the ARRL's responsibility to deal with the contracted agency. Ryan KC8PMX -- "The Pope has issued a proclamation on Michael Jackson. If he hears any more allegations about little boys, the Pope says he'll have no choice but to make him a priest." |
Moving it to the south is gonna do NOTHING more than change the location of
the headquarters..... "Ragchewer" wrote in message ... Why do I not like the ARRL? I will answer that with another question. Would you trust a gang of Yankee carpetbaggers, the same bunch who stole from the southerners at the end of the War Between The States? You would? Good! Sign up for life membership with the rest of the NewingtonYankee gang. As for me, the league can go f..k itself, since that is what it has been doing to the rest of us for decades. RC |
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Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST.
You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( |
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 4:25:03 -0600, JEP wrote
(in message ) : Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( If I were interested in ham radio, I'd have a ham radio license. But I'm a SWL and so I could care less about QST, CQ, 73 and Ham Radio. It's "interesting" to see so many x-posts to r.r.s about ham radio. About 45 years ago I used ta listen to hams and decided that I didn't want to be one nor continue listening to them. Most of my closest friends are hams but they've given up on "converting" me (even when I help them with tech "stuff"). The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. There are times when there are mutual interests. When a ham goes feral and starts broadcasting as a pirate and a felon, this can connect both hobbies and such as that makes me not want to just automatically killfool all the ham newsgroups. But look at this SUBJ: "Why you don't like the ARRL". And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Thanks, Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
"Gray Shockley" wrote:
And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Sadly, we don't always have much control over where messages are cross-posted, Gray. Since some Hams are CB'ers and others SWL's, the discussion itself may have actually started in one of those non-ham newsgroups. In other cases, it is trolls (in any one of the newsgroups) trying to belittle Ham radio and it's operators (posted to a number of newsgroups in an effort to get the widest possible audience for that). In still other cases, the discussion started in a ham radio newsgroup, with other newsgroups added by participants who mainly frequent those other newsgroups. Whatever the case, you're certainly not alone - we get our share of messages relating to other topics posted in the Ham radio newsgroups as well. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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You may not be aware but HAMS operate on SHORTWAVE, so do CB
operators. Doesn't matter HF, VHF, UHF. Still shortwave. Gray Shockley wrote in message s.com... On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 4:25:03 -0600, JEP wrote (in message ) : Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( If I were interested in ham radio, I'd have a ham radio license. But I'm a SWL and so I could care less about QST, CQ, 73 and Ham Radio. It's "interesting" to see so many x-posts to r.r.s about ham radio. About 45 years ago I used ta listen to hams and decided that I didn't want to be one nor continue listening to them. Most of my closest friends are hams but they've given up on "converting" me (even when I help them with tech "stuff"). The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. There are times when there are mutual interests. When a ham goes feral and starts broadcasting as a pirate and a felon, this can connect both hobbies and such as that makes me not want to just automatically killfool all the ham newsgroups. But look at this SUBJ: "Why you don't like the ARRL". And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Thanks, Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US |
Gray Shockley wrote:
The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
JJ,
"Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me." Since this was Cross Posted to several NewsGroups: * rec.radio.amateur.policy, [ Amateur - HAM ] * rec.radio.amateur.misc, [ Amateur - HAM ] * rec.radio.shortwave, [ S H O R T W A V E ] * rec.radio.cb [ C B ] The Devil Is In The Details... So "GS" is simply communicating his 'status' as a SWL. The Question Every Amateur Must Ask Themselves is . . . Is Any Body ? ? ? L I S T E N I N G ? ? ? YES - But they may be a lowly SWL and You will Never Know; Unless the SWL sends the HAM a QCL Request and the HAM Replys in Kind. ? How many Amateurs Actively Seek QCL Reports form SWLs ? ? How many Amateurs 'send out' "QCL Cards" to the SWLs ? Exus Laxus Good Buddy ~ RHF Breaking-On-the-Low-Side - Can I Get a Radio Check ? QC? QC? BS! .. .. = = = JJ = = = wrote in message ... Gray Shockley wrote: The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
In article ,
says... BDK Well, Barnes and Noble in upper Michigan does NOT carry it any more as B Dalton does not either. I'm now in central Florida and B & N and Books a Million NO GO. QST is not available everywhere and you might find it's not available in the Toledo area anymore. BDK wrote in message ... In article , says... Check your local newstand or magazine rack in stores, many carry QST. You can purchase it without membership, or check you local library, they may carry it and you can read it for free. Popular Communications (Never met a radio they didn't like) CQ QST Monitoring Times These should be easily found at any decent newstand. Don't you have any bookstores there?? Borders? BDalton? BDK Better check your local book seller your self. Barnes & Noble and Books a Million around here and no QST. NO QST anywhere. CQ always did suck. Pop Comm--ditto--SUCKS. Monitoring Times is kinda OK. 73 & Ham Radio are gone. Guess Mother Earth News it is ;-( Where are you anyway?? You can get MT on line. CQ and POPComm did always suck. 73, at least Wayne's editorial, was pretty weird. You can get QST all over the place around the Toledo/Detroit area. All the bookstores have it, a couple of drugstores have it, and I think at least one of the Meijer's has it too. BDK Hmm, well I saw it at one place last week, along with MT, CQ, and the scanner one, I can't think of the name. Leo's bookstore has them all, they used to have the British SW Magazine and Practical Wireless too, but not lately. I haven't been to B Dalton in a long time, but Barnes and Nobles had it a couple of months ago. I guess you will have to subscribe, it's cheaper than buying it anyway. BDK |
"BDK" wrote in message ... In article , says... Hmm, well I saw it at one place last week, along with MT, CQ, and the scanner one, I can't think of the name. Leo's bookstore has them all, they used to have the British SW Magazine and Practical Wireless too, but not lately. I haven't been to B Dalton in a long time, but Barnes and Nobles had it a couple of months ago. I guess you will have to subscribe, it's cheaper than buying it anyway. BDK Technically you don't "subscribe" to QST. You join the ARRL and receive the magazine as a result of your membership. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
RHF wrote:
The Devil Is In The Details... So "GS" is simply communicating his 'status' as a SWL. All it conveys is he owns two radios and some other stuff, it conveys nothing about his 'status' as an SWL. Just a brag list. Maybe I should list all my ham equipment with my postings, like anyone would care. |
In article et,
"Dwight Stewart" wrote: "Gray Shockley" wrote: And - of the four newsgroups - two are for SWLers and CBers. May I ask for as little more care when deciding to what many newsgroups one posts to? Sadly, we don't always have much control over where messages are cross-posted, Gray. Since some Hams are CB'ers and others SWL's, the discussion itself may have actually started in one of those non-ham newsgroups. In other cases, it is trolls (in any one of the newsgroups) trying to belittle Ham radio and it's operators (posted to a number of newsgroups in an effort to get the widest possible audience for that). In still other cases, the discussion started in a ham radio newsgroup, with other newsgroups added by participants who mainly frequent those other newsgroups. Whatever the case, you're certainly not alone - we get our share of messages relating to other topics posted in the Ham radio newsgroups as well. You have plenty of control. Just delete the groups where this is OT like I did. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
JJ wrote in message ...
Gray Shockley wrote: The great majority of hams are nice people and they sure do justify more than their hobby when there's an emergency. But why they think that SWLer's are interested in /their/ hobby still puzzles me. And then he includes this. Gray Shockley ----------------------- DX-392 DX-398 RX-320 DX-399 CCradio w/RS Loop Torus Tuner (3-13 MHz) Select-A-Tenna ----------------------- Vicksburg, MS US hey john how are things in colorado springs??? Why you think hams are interested in what radios and antennas you use to SWL with is beyond me. |
"Telamon" wrote: You have plenty of control. Just delete the groups where this is OT like I did. At which point, since you don't know which newsgroup the person is posting from, you potentially lose contact with the person you're responding to. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal.
Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. If that HAM is active on CB, does that count? It's a radio signal. |
JEP wrote:
Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. Then go to your library and read it, assuming you know what a library is. |
gw wrote:
hey john how are things in colorado springs??? ??? |
Only if you are pre 1960 and still consider 11 meters as a ham band.
Radioman wrote in message ... I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. If that HAM is active on CB, does that count? It's a radio signal. |
Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST.
"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes
you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Are new folks welcomed? Is help provided? If so then consider yourself lucky. "Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
JEP wrote:
Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. That'll show 'em... Dave K8MN |
JEP wrote:
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? Yep, that's the same thing they were doing twenty or thirty years ago. They show up though. is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Yep. Are new folks welcomed? Yep. Is help provided? Yep. If so then consider yourself lucky. I don't know about lucky. Fortunate, maybe, that my experience over forty years in amateur radio hasn't been the unpleasant one you've obviously been forced to endure. Dave K8MN |
"Dave Heil" wrote in message ... JEP wrote: Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. That'll show 'em... Dave K8MN I bet it will Dave....maybe they should cut off their noses also, eh? Dan/W4NTI |
Good points....now allow me to add some from the other side.
No, lets make it just one. Know many new guys that DONT KNOW IT ALL? Dan/W4NTI "JEP" wrote in message om... Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Are new folks welcomed? Is help provided? If so then consider yourself lucky. "Bill Sohl" wrote in message hlink.net... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. Can you "just buy" the magazines of AARP, NRA, AAA, etc. without joining? I am always amazed at people that want the "benefits" of an organization's efforts, in this case the publication, but don't want to support the organization by joining. I see the same thing at times in the antique car hobby. People that bitch about the club rules at a car show, or otherwise want technical help from club officials but won't part with the few bucks it takes to join. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Is it lessening? News to me. If they took a real survey as to how many real active ham there are they would find the number far less than they think. I'm not talking about members, I'm talking about HAMS that really use a radio to transmit a signal. Doesnt matter what band. How many transmit a signal at least once a week? Most don't. Please provide your survey data. Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. Ya I know about your Skywarn in Flint, MI. Great service! Could be run on CB, NEXTEL, GMRS. Could be but isn't...there in lies the difference. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
"JEP" wrote in message om... Thats why I say good riddance to ARRL and QST. "Dee D. Flint" wrote in message igy.com... "JEP" wrote in message om... Just my point. I don't want to belong to ARRL just as I don't care to belong to AARP, NRA, AAA, Skinheads, etc. I just want to read their magazine when it has something that interests me. I wouldn't buy it every month as most of the time it has useless drivel about some clowntest or whether someone died or some such crap. ARRL and QST have a short time left as the active Ham population lessens. Well then you can't expect the magazine to be sold at outlets when you only buy it once in a while. They've got to recoup the costs of printing and distributing and the "once in a while" buyer just doesn't provide that. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Gee ... I've declined the AARP (for now at least - they started sending me membership solicitations on my 50th birthday - maybe some day I'll see a benefit) The NRA would be of interest if I was still a hunter, but alas, the XYL is a biologist and state-licensed wildlife rehabilitator, so for the sake of marital harmony, I've given up that hobby. (I have so many other things going on, I don't know when I'd have the time for it anyway ...) The AAA has never appealed to me ... I get good towing coverage for much less through my car insurance and my new Ford Explorer also comes with roadside assistance. Skinheads ... well 'nuff said, I guess. However, WRT the ARRL - as much as I've had some policy differences with them over the years, they DO do a LOT of good things for ham radio, and their member services and publications are also valuable. All together, I made the value judgment to support the ARRL by maintaining membership for the past 25+ years (I should have become a life member years ago - I'd have really saved money over the years - but I resisted because of my policy differences with the ARRL leadership in a couple of areas.) However, with BPL, CC&Rs (don't affect me, but affect a lot of hams), and the good work that the ARRL/IARU did at the WRC on 40m expansion, I finally decided to become a life member and to work my policy differences from the inside as well as from the outside. If I live an average life span from now, I'll just about break even on the $975.00 life membership. I also sent them $100.00 earmarked to support Ed Hare's work against the BPL threat. I think that ARRL membership (with QST included) is a good value at the current dues rates and find it hard to understand how anyone who's REALLY interested in ham radio and its future could justify NOT joining and supporting the good things that the ARRL does - you don't have to agree with EVERYTHING they do or every position they take (I don't ...), but on balance they do much more right than wrong, so I support them for that and joust with them on the things I disagree with. -- Carl R. Stevenson - wk3c Grid Square FN20fm http://home.ptd.net/~wk3c ------------------------------------------------------ NCI-1052 Executive Director, No Code International Fellow, The Radio Club of America Senior Member, IEEE Member, IEEE Standards Association Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Regulatory Committee Co-Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Legislative Committee Member, QCWA (31424) Life Member, ARRL Member, TAPR ------------------------------------------------------ Join No Code International! Hams for the 21st Century. Help assure the survival and prosperity of ham radio. http://www.nocode.org I can't understand how |
JEP wrote:
Look at your local HAM clubs, talk to the members(if you can wake them up). Most show up and act disgusted with the club, Ham radio, life in general. New folks are never there. From reading your posts, I think you would fit right in with a club like that, JEP. - Mike KB3EIA - |
JEP wrote:
Check the figures yourself then check how many are really active. Yes you can but NRA and AARP rags on the stand. AAA no. I quoted no data, I made an observation. Get you head out the sand and look around. See all of your old buddies just hanging around the club meeting doing nothing? Nope. is field day as well attended as it was in the 60's? Better. I just posted some pix on our website, from FD in 1968. My guess is we have about three times the number as we did then. Are new folks welcomed? Yup. During the day, I do no operating at all, just control op the GOTA station and talk to new people when any show up. And we have new people show up. Is help provided? Of course If so then consider yourself lucky. Yeah, lucky enough. If you want, you can bitch about the ARS. Or you could do something about it. Or are you one of those hams you bitch about in a previous message? - Mike KB3EIA - |
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