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Totally ticked.
I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for
amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off |
"Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article nk ..net, says... I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off Seems to me like you're getting mad at the wrong people. Ham radio, like Life itself (I've said this before, and I'll probably end up saying it again), is a mirror. You get back EXACTLY what you put into it. What you hear on the air is a reflection of the PERSONALITY of each INDIVIDUAL operator. It has NOTHING to do with how hard they studied for their license, or how much they know, or how many letters they have after their name. If ham radio is declining in the "quality" of what's heard on the air, it's because of poor operators making life miserable for the newbies, apparently all because of some misguided sense of loyalty. To what or to whom this loyalty is directed, I have never understood. Let me ask you something: Have you ever made comments on the air that were derogatory to someone who was new to the hobby? Have you ever adopted an air of superiority in the presence of a newbie? If so, then YOU are part of the problem. If you do not feel you can be civil to a new operator (remember, there was a day when NONE of us had ever seen a microphone or transmitter, let alone operated one), then simply ignore them and move on to something else. The "Death of Ham Radio" has been predicted by many others for many years. Yet, the Amateur Radio SERVICE endures to this day. Different from what it was ten or twenty years ago, yes, but it endures. This tells me that new licensees aren't the prob lem, and it tells me that the ARRL isn't the problem. What I see as the REAL problem are those "veterans" in the HOBBY who have become so obsessed with their own ideas of whom is superior to whom that they will deliberately make life on the air miserable for anyone who doesn't measure up to their own standards. I think such people would be doing much better to offer polite-but-firm correction to operating errors, and be willing to SHARE their knowledge as opposed to zealously guarding it like some grumpy dragon guarding their hoard. You may not like the ARRL for whatever reason. Fine. That's your choice (I'm proud to be a 'Lifer' myself). But would you find it so very hard to remember and respect "The Amateur's Code" that they publish? It dates all the way back to the League's founding, and the days of Hiram Percy Maxim (without whom we wouldn't even HAVE Amateur Radio). Chill out. The only things that will truly kill amateur radio are forgetting its origins, WHY we have it today, and more anger and hatred at newbies just because they have an easier time getting licensed than some of us did. -- (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) Right on!!!! Like the Radio school at Ft Gordon Ga? Where students were already learning CW and Radio theory in classes, and at K4WAR the guys got together and studied for their license with instructors from the school. Like you were going to fail with all that help? Vs the determined blind guy who learned it on his own? Like is not Fair, it is what you make of it! K7DUP...... |
You should have waited until after the FCC decides what to do with the
ARRL's "suggestion". Yes, I am a Tech and was furious when I seen that they were wanting to grandfather the Techs to General with no written test. Just because the ARRL suggested it, does not mean that it is set in stone yet. FCC may have other ideas. Don't forget that the ARRL does not consist of so many X number of board members at meetings. You and the rest of us as members have a say in these matters also. More than likely they got input from alot of other people and tallied it all up. Yet, I still would like to know where the idea came from about grandfathering techs with no test. 73's OM Ticked also, Mike KC2JGA "Roger Gt" wrote in message m... "Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article nk .net, says... I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off Seems to me like you're getting mad at the wrong people. Ham radio, like Life itself (I've said this before, and I'll probably end up saying it again), is a mirror. You get back EXACTLY what you put into it. What you hear on the air is a reflection of the PERSONALITY of each INDIVIDUAL operator. It has NOTHING to do with how hard they studied for their license, or how much they know, or how many letters they have after their name. If ham radio is declining in the "quality" of what's heard on the air, it's because of poor operators making life miserable for the newbies, apparently all because of some misguided sense of loyalty. To what or to whom this loyalty is directed, I have never understood. Let me ask you something: Have you ever made comments on the air that were derogatory to someone who was new to the hobby? Have you ever adopted an air of superiority in the presence of a newbie? If so, then YOU are part of the problem. If you do not feel you can be civil to a new operator (remember, there was a day when NONE of us had ever seen a microphone or transmitter, let alone operated one), then simply ignore them and move on to something else. The "Death of Ham Radio" has been predicted by many others for many years. Yet, the Amateur Radio SERVICE endures to this day. Different from what it was ten or twenty years ago, yes, but it endures. This tells me that new licensees aren't the prob lem, and it tells me that the ARRL isn't the problem. What I see as the REAL problem are those "veterans" in the HOBBY who have become so obsessed with their own ideas of whom is superior to whom that they will deliberately make life on the air miserable for anyone who doesn't measure up to their own standards. I think such people would be doing much better to offer polite-but-firm correction to operating errors, and be willing to SHARE their knowledge as opposed to zealously guarding it like some grumpy dragon guarding their hoard. You may not like the ARRL for whatever reason. Fine. That's your choice (I'm proud to be a 'Lifer' myself). But would you find it so very hard to remember and respect "The Amateur's Code" that they publish? It dates all the way back to the League's founding, and the days of Hiram Percy Maxim (without whom we wouldn't even HAVE Amateur Radio). Chill out. The only things that will truly kill amateur radio are forgetting its origins, WHY we have it today, and more anger and hatred at newbies just because they have an easier time getting licensed than some of us did. -- (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) Right on!!!! Like the Radio school at Ft Gordon Ga? Where students were already learning CW and Radio theory in classes, and at K4WAR the guys got together and studied for their license with instructors from the school. Like you were going to fail with all that help? Vs the determined blind guy who learned it on his own? Like is not Fair, it is what you make of it! K7DUP...... |
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:03:16 -0800, Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee
wrote: In article .net, says... I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off Seems to me like you're getting mad at the wrong people. Ham radio, like Life itself (I've said this before, and I'll probably end up saying it again), is a mirror. You get back EXACTLY what you put into it. What you hear on the air is a reflection of the PERSONALITY of each INDIVIDUAL operator. It has NOTHING to do with how hard they studied for their license, or how much they know, or how many letters they have after their name. If ham radio is declining in the "quality" of what's heard on the air, it's because of poor operators making life miserable for the newbies, apparently all because of some misguided sense of loyalty. To what or to whom this loyalty is directed, I have never understood. Let me ask you something: Have you ever made comments on the air that were derogatory to someone who was new to the hobby? Have you ever adopted an air of superiority in the presence of a newbie? If so, then YOU are part of the problem. If you do not feel you can be civil to a new operator (remember, there was a day when NONE of us had ever seen a microphone or transmitter, let alone operated one), then simply ignore them and move on to something else. The "Death of Ham Radio" has been predicted by many others for many years. Yet, the Amateur Radio SERVICE endures to this day. Different from what it was ten or twenty years ago, yes, but it endures. This tells me that new licensees aren't the problem, and it tells me that the ARRL isn't the problem. What I see as the REAL problem are those "veterans" in the HOBBY who have become so obsessed with their own ideas of whom is superior to whom that they will deliberately make life on the air miserable for anyone who doesn't measure up to their own standards. I think such people would be doing much better to offer polite-but-firm correction to operating errors, and be willing to SHARE their knowlege as opposed to zealously guarding it like some grumpy dragon guarding their hoard. You may not like the ARRL for whatever reason. Fine. That's your choice (I'm proud to be a 'Lifer' myself). But would you find it so very hard to remember and respect "The Amateur's Code" that they publish? It dates all the way back to the League's founding, and the days of Hiram Percy Maxim (without whom we wouldn't even HAVE Amateur Radio). Chill out. The only things that will truly kill amateur radio are forgetting its origins, WHY we have it today, and more anger and hatred at newbies just because they have an easier time getting licensed than some of us did. Well said, Sir. 73, Leo |
BRAVO Anton....BRAVO !
"Dr. Anton.T. Squeegee" wrote in message ... In article .net, says... I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off Seems to me like you're getting mad at the wrong people. Ham radio, like Life itself (I've said this before, and I'll probably end up saying it again), is a mirror. You get back EXACTLY what you put into it. What you hear on the air is a reflection of the PERSONALITY of each INDIVIDUAL operator. It has NOTHING to do with how hard they studied for their license, or how much they know, or how many letters they have after their name. If ham radio is declining in the "quality" of what's heard on the air, it's because of poor operators making life miserable for the newbies, apparently all because of some misguided sense of loyalty. To what or to whom this loyalty is directed, I have never understood. Let me ask you something: Have you ever made comments on the air that were derogatory to someone who was new to the hobby? Have you ever adopted an air of superiority in the presence of a newbie? If so, then YOU are part of the problem. If you do not feel you can be civil to a new operator (remember, there was a day when NONE of us had ever seen a microphone or transmitter, let alone operated one), then simply ignore them and move on to something else. The "Death of Ham Radio" has been predicted by many others for many years. Yet, the Amateur Radio SERVICE endures to this day. Different from what it was ten or twenty years ago, yes, but it endures. This tells me that new licensees aren't the problem, and it tells me that the ARRL isn't the problem. What I see as the REAL problem are those "veterans" in the HOBBY who have become so obsessed with their own ideas of whom is superior to whom that they will deliberately make life on the air miserable for anyone who doesn't measure up to their own standards. I think such people would be doing much better to offer polite-but-firm correction to operating errors, and be willing to SHARE their knowlege as opposed to zealously guarding it like some grumpy dragon guarding their hoard. You may not like the ARRL for whatever reason. Fine. That's your choice (I'm proud to be a 'Lifer' myself). But would you find it so very hard to remember and respect "The Amateur's Code" that they publish? It dates all the way back to the League's founding, and the days of Hiram Percy Maxim (without whom we wouldn't even HAVE Amateur Radio). Chill out. The only things that will truly kill amateur radio are forgetting its origins, WHY we have it today, and more anger and hatred at newbies just because they have an easier time getting licensed than some of us did. -- Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute (Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR) kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m Motorola Radio Programming & Service Available - http://www.bluefeathertech.com/rf.html "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green) |
"ARRL Philosophy" wrote in message link.net... I canceled my Leage membership after their first restructuring proposal for amateur radio. Now, after seeing their new proposal, I wish I had NEVER been a member! Seems the Arrl philosophy is that: if ham radio is to survive it MUST sound like CB. Tee'd Off You may have cancelled your ARRL Membership, but I am afraid that the greater percentage of hams will continue to send their Yearly subscription (tribute?) to the snooty yankees in their ivy covered brick walls at 225 Main Street, just like they have continued to do so for the past 5-10-20-30+ Years. Just like the lemmings they are, they just cannot seem to pry themselves away from that shi+ self-serving magazine that's in reality, more advertising than relative topic. Truly pathetic. (Tell me, does the ink in QST still rub off onto your thumb when you rub the print like it used to do in the 70's and 80's - before I wised up and left these *******s subscripton letter in file 19?) What I mean to say is, do they still use the same thin cheap paper stock and that half-assed ink that not only smells like acetone solvent, but is of a worse grade than the ink used for the daily newspaper, which is usually cheaper. Makes you wonder if their printer back then was some New Haven sweatshop factory, staffed with min-wage wetbacks that ducked outta sight whenever the INS van pulled up in the parking lot out front.....) |
"Mike" wrote:
(snip) Yet, I still would like to know where the idea came from about grandfathering techs with no test. I think you meant to say no "additional" written test, Mike. I suspect the idea comes from the fact that the current Technician license already allows HF access with the simple addition of the code test. In other words, the current Technician license exam already covers much of the material needed for HF access. Therefore, it makes more sense to grandfather them into a license class with HF access than into one without. Of course, that's just my take on it. If you really want to know why ARRL decided to do so, ask them. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
What I see as the REAL problem are those "veterans" in the HOBBY who have become so obsessed with their own ideas of whom is superior to whom that they will deliberately make life on the air miserable for anyone who doesn't measure up to their own standards. I think such people would be doing much better to offer polite-but-firm correction to operating errors, and be willing to SHARE their knowlege as opposed to zealously guarding it like some grumpy dragon guarding their hoard. When I got my "extra lite" :-) I made a number of "newbie" type errors, but soon learned. What I don't like is when, years before on learning my way around packet on 2m, I made some newbie errors and then learned, but some other packet operator assumed that I would always make such errors and got banned off his maibox BBS. (I hadn't distingushed between private mailboxes and more public BBSs just yet, and posted a general ham interest article). A polite but firm correction would have been enough. Turns out other people had some problems with him.... You may not like the ARRL for whatever reason. Fine. That's your choice (I'm proud to be a 'Lifer' myself). But would you find it so very hard to remember and respect "The Amateur's Code" that they publish? It dates all the way back to the League's founding, and the days of Hiram Percy Maxim (without whom we wouldn't even HAVE Amateur Radio). Chill out. The only things that will truly kill amateur radio are forgetting its origins, WHY we have it today, and more anger and hatred at newbies just because they have an easier time getting licensed than some of us did. |
"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike" wrote: (snip) Yet, I still would like to know where the idea came from about grandfathering techs with no test. I think you meant to say no "additional" written test, Mike. I suspect the idea comes from the fact that the current Technician license already allows HF access with the simple addition of the code test. In other words, the current Technician license exam already covers much of the material needed for HF access. Therefore, it makes more sense to grandfather them into a license class with HF access than into one without. Of course, that's just my take on it. If you really want to know why ARRL decided to do so, ask them. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ I agree with that answer. I had to take both the Novice and Tech written to get my Tech no-code. So what? I think it's a great idea to get on HF!! |
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