Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
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Brian Reay wrote:




Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the
hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about.
Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE
TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T
CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Brian Reay wrote:




Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of the
hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining about.
Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE
TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO. DON'T
CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


Simon

When your IRLP or EchoLink Node or even EchoIRLP node is up and running PLEASE let
us all know .

IF at the moment you are active on either EchoLink or IRLP you could also advise
us of the node numbers you use.

Finally **** Listed , a QUAINT turn of Phrase being a dim and ignorant POM I'm
having problems fathoming that one out.

With Very Best Regards

DieSea

"DieSea" wrote in message
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"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
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Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Brian Reay wrote:




Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go
away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect
of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems
to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of
the
hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining
about.
Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE MORE
TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO.
DON'T
CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


Simon

When your IRLP or EchoLink Node or even EchoIRLP node is up and running
PLEASE let
us all know .

IF at the moment you are active on either EchoLink or IRLP you could also
advise
us of the node numbers you use.

Finally **** Listed , a QUAINT turn of Phrase being a dim and ignorant
POM I'm
having problems fathoming that one out.

it's called blocking sender

Alf VK5ZKL



With Very Best Regards

DieSea

Simon

When your IRLP or EchoLink Node or even EchoIRLP node is up and running
PLEASE let
us all know .

IF at the moment you are active on either EchoLink or IRLP you could also
advise
us of the node numbers you use.

Finally **** Listed , a QUAINT turn of Phrase being a dim and ignorant
POM I'm
having problems fathoming that one out.

it's called blocking sender

Alf VK5ZKL



With Very Best Regards

DieSea



Thanks for the explanation Alf , being an elderly Pom it takes time for things
like that to sink in . Perhaps SENIOR MOMENTS will take over and I'll have
trouble remembering that.

Again Thanks

DieSea .

"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Simon VK3XEM" wrote in message
...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...



"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...


Brian Reay wrote:




Well, in that case why don't you call it something else. Then come
back
when someone makes you call it by the name that upsets you.

Untill then, 'mellow out'.


Dan, why are IRLP fans so quick to tell people to shut up and go away
when someone disagrees with them. Are people like you and "concerned
amateur" typical of what we might meet if we sample the mode?


I don't think anyone is saying "shut up" etc. I'm saying unless ILRP
impacts
you, why worry?

Over the years I've come across many amateurs who hated some aspect of
the
hobby- packet, anything computer based,........ Not one ever seems to
have
found a niche they really do like.


--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898



There you go putting words into my mouth again Brian. I never said I
hate IRLP. I said I don't like it being called Ham Radio.

And I don't much care if you like my opinion or not.

So there.

Dan/W4NTI

What I don't like is the way you are putting down a legitimate part of
the hobby. Whether you like it or not it IS a legitimate part of Amateur
Radio.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/


You STILL don't get it do you? Try addressing what I am complaining
about. Or can't you do so without spinning things way out of wack? ONE
MORE TIME;;;;;;IT IS NOT HAM RADIO. IT IS INTERNET CONNECTED TO RADIO.
DON'T CALL IT HAM RADIO.

Dan/W4NTI

You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

How is that "LICENSE" proven? Who or what checks it? How is that done?

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

[SNIP]


You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

How is that "LICENSE" proven? Who or what checks it? How is that done?

Dan/W4NTI

The same way any valid licence is checked when you use any ham frequency -
by "self regulation".

Using IRLP is no different than firing up on your local repeater that is
linked to some other repeater in the distance. There is the exact same
potential for unlicensed users on IRLP as there is on any other amateur
frequency, no more, no less. Yet you don't seem to be claiming that 2m is
open to CBers, or that 40m is not a valid ham band.....

If you accept that linking amateur repeaters via land line is OK, then you
have no basis upon which to reject IRLP - it is the same, linking repeaters
via land lines, except it uses internet technology to make that affordable
for anyone rather than the expense of a dedicated leased line.. Without the
VOiP linking repeaters by landline can be rather costly, so the number of
repeaters you could link would be limited. Now that expense has been
removed so that any local club, or local ham, can establish a node and allow
the repeater to be linked to any one of thousands of other ham repeaters
worldwide. Seems that all they have done is expand existing technology -
isn't that what ham radio is all about??????

Then again, we faced this kind of narrow minded, arrogant discrimination
when they proposed access to amateur frequencies by operators that hadn't
learnt CW... Seems it is just another example of the old timers stomping
their feet because times are changing - must've been real hard when valves
were replaced!


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au"


"I cannot help but notice that there is no problem
between us that cannot be solved by your departure."

Martin, VK2UMJ wrote:

Then again, we faced this kind of narrow minded, arrogant discrimination
when they proposed access to amateur frequencies by operators that hadn't
learnt CW... Seems it is just another example of the old timers stomping
their feet because times are changing - must've been real hard when valves
were replaced!

Exactly martin! I do have to say though that things have gotten somewhat
better in the last 25 years I've been licensed.

Back then new Novice licenses were pretty much scum of the earth to the old
timers.

I got my full call pretty quickly and it was amazing the difference in the
way I was treated (for no _real_ reason).

Although that often changed when I voiced opinions about how morse shouldn't
be a requirement for HF (even though I'd passed the fast morse) or that
this new fangled packet radio was the first wave of the future.

G-S VK3DMN

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

[SNIP]


You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

How is that "LICENSE" proven? Who or what checks it? How is that done?

Dan/W4NTI

The same way any valid licence is checked when you use any ham frequency -
by "self regulation".

Using IRLP is no different than firing up on your local repeater that is
linked to some other repeater in the distance. There is the exact same
potential for unlicensed users on IRLP as there is on any other amateur
frequency, no more, no less. Yet you don't seem to be claiming that 2m is
open to CBers, or that 40m is not a valid ham band.....

If you accept that linking amateur repeaters via land line is OK, then you
have no basis upon which to reject IRLP - it is the same, linking
repeaters via land lines, except it uses internet technology to make that
affordable for anyone rather than the expense of a dedicated leased line..
Without the VOiP linking repeaters by landline can be rather costly, so
the number of repeaters you could link would be limited. Now that expense
has been removed so that any local club, or local ham, can establish a
node and allow the repeater to be linked to any one of thousands of other
ham repeaters worldwide. Seems that all they have done is expand existing
technology - isn't that what ham radio is all about??????

Then again, we faced this kind of narrow minded, arrogant discrimination
when they proposed access to amateur frequencies by operators that hadn't
learnt CW... Seems it is just another example of the old timers stomping
their feet because times are changing - must've been real hard when valves
were replaced!


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au"


"I cannot help but notice that there is no problem
between us that cannot be solved by your departure."




You may indeed be correct....I am confusing IRLP with echolink......I think
I'll go on google and see what others have to say about it.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
k.net...

"Martin, VK2UMJ" wrote in message
...
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...

[SNIP]


You *MUST* be a licensed Amateur to use IRLP, you *MUST* use a radio to
access IRLP. Therefore it is getting *LICENSED AMATEURS* on air.

It in *NO* way interferes with your on air activities so leave it alone
and enjoy your hobby without *INTERFERING* with others.


--
The views I present are my own and NOT of any organisation I belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM.
http://www.aca.gov.au/pls/radcom/cli...IENT_NO=157452
VoIP http://www.TALKonIP.com.au/

How is that "LICENSE" proven? Who or what checks it? How is that done?

Dan/W4NTI

The same way any valid licence is checked when you use any ham
frequency - by "self regulation".

Using IRLP is no different than firing up on your local repeater that is
linked to some other repeater in the distance. There is the exact same
potential for unlicensed users on IRLP as there is on any other amateur
frequency, no more, no less. Yet you don't seem to be claiming that 2m is
open to CBers, or that 40m is not a valid ham band.....

If you accept that linking amateur repeaters via land line is OK, then
you have no basis upon which to reject IRLP - it is the same, linking
repeaters via land lines, except it uses internet technology to make that
affordable for anyone rather than the expense of a dedicated leased
line.. Without the VOiP linking repeaters by landline can be rather
costly, so the number of repeaters you could link would be limited. Now
that expense has been removed so that any local club, or local ham, can
establish a node and allow the repeater to be linked to any one of
thousands of other ham repeaters worldwide. Seems that all they have
done is expand existing technology - isn't that what ham radio is all
about??????

Then again, we faced this kind of narrow minded, arrogant discrimination
when they proposed access to amateur frequencies by operators that hadn't
learnt CW... Seems it is just another example of the old timers stomping
their feet because times are changing - must've been real hard when
valves were replaced!


--
Martin, VK2UMJ

To reply by e-mail, replace ".invalid" with ".com.au"


"I cannot help but notice that there is no problem
between us that cannot be solved by your departure."




You may indeed be correct....I am confusing IRLP with echolink......I
think I'll go on google and see what others have to say about it.

Dan/W4NTI

IRLP - www.irlp.net

EchoLink - www.echolink.org

They are two totally different concepts. IRLP only links radio/repeater to
radio/repeater.

Echolink lets you link PC to PC, PC to radio/repeater or radio/repeater to
PC.