|
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ernie wrote: Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... TOM wrote: To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi. I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
an_old_friend wrote:
a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. liar to restore yourown words " And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh?" Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network certainly one more acceable to general public than Ham radio this fact is one we need to consider if we wnat to surive but then you like the procoders in general do have your heads in the sand _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:17:13 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. meaning you are greing with me and Tom why is it ham hating if you say and ham hating if I do you also make my point no vital traffic can be passed by ham radio if it was not sent to ham radio I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. which brings you to stating the same thing I was I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. which is a dangerous state of affairs for one of the supports that we use in our spectrum battles but you were unwilling to even discuss such things Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. maybe we were maybe we were not, but it seems whatever the truth were not seen as ready willing and able, and the preception of the served agencies is more important than the reality Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
SATERN = SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK
http://www.satern.org/ What We Do Emergency communications etc. etc. ----------------------------------------- LAT exposé: "The Red Cross money pit" - The TRUTH at last!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/25/95628/8554 ----------------------------------------- It has always been my personal opinion that the Salvation Army is a MUCH better organization than the Red Cross / Red Crescent . Organizations like the Red Cross / Red Crescent have enormous overhead, including high-paid executives and posh offices. Ace - WH2T "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ernie wrote: Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... TOM wrote: To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi. I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Just like trying to polish a turd..... - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
|
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dr.Ace wrote:
SATERN = SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK Yup, I listened to SATERN a good bit during the crisis. http://www.satern.org/ What We Do Emergency communications etc. etc. ----------------------------------------- LAT exposé: "The Red Cross money pit" - The TRUTH at last!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/25/95628/8554 ----------------------------------------- It has always been my personal opinion that the Salvation Army is a MUCH better organization than the Red Cross / Red Crescent. Yup. Organizations like the Red Cross / Red Crescent have enormous overhead, including high-paid executives and posh offices. The Red Cross also had other ideas on what to do with the money donated for the 9/11 attack victims and families. Nice folks. - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:22:50 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote: wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. liar You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, you did not voice an opinion you falsely stated that my post was unrelated and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Good for you, Mr Morgan. Not much point in having a discussion with ya. you were obviously never interested in one - Mike KB3EIA - _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:41:53 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: I don't talk with brain damaged idiots. I just comment about their dumb ass comments. Dan/W4NTI just brunign up with hate tonight I see Dan _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
I don't talk with brain damaged idiots. I just comment about their dumb ass
comments. Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:17:13 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. meaning you are greing with me and Tom why is it ham hating if you say and ham hating if I do you also make my point no vital traffic can be passed by ham radio if it was not sent to ham radio I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. which brings you to stating the same thing I was I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. which is a dangerous state of affairs for one of the supports that we use in our spectrum battles but you were unwilling to even discuss such things Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. maybe we were maybe we were not, but it seems whatever the truth were not seen as ready willing and able, and the preception of the served agencies is more important than the reality Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
You got that right Dr. Ace. I've been a SATERN member for a while now. Did
some work up on 14.265. Great group of folks. Dan/W4NTI "Dr.Ace" wrote in message ... SATERN = SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK http://www.satern.org/ What We Do Emergency communications etc. etc. ----------------------------------------- LAT exposé: "The Red Cross money pit" - The TRUTH at last!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/25/95628/8554 ----------------------------------------- It has always been my personal opinion that the Salvation Army is a MUCH better organization than the Red Cross / Red Crescent . Organizations like the Red Cross / Red Crescent have enormous overhead, including high-paid executives and posh offices. Ace - WH2T "Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message link.net... "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
LOL....thats good Mike.
Dan/W4NTI "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Ernie wrote: Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message ... TOM wrote: To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network. Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi. I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Just like trying to polish a turd..... - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. liar to restore yourown words " And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh?" Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network certainly one more acceable to general public than Ham radio this fact is one we need to consider if we wnat to surive but then you like the procoders in general do have your heads in the sand Everybody is WRONG, I am right. My name is MARKIE. And if you not wrong then you are a LIAR. My name is MARKIE. A world class goof. Dan/W4NTI (Markie made me do it)_________________________________________ |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message m... TOM wrote: I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Try turning your receiver on next time, I heard lots of H&W traffic during Katrina and Rita. I think he will respond with "not on the National Traffic System". And he would be right. I heard lots of "traffic" on the designated emergency nets. Although most of that was not formatted properly (as in NTS format). who peed in your cherrois tonight Dan? Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Everybody is a LIAR and everybody is WRONG. My name is Markie.
Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:22:50 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. liar You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, you did not voice an opinion you falsely stated that my post was unrelated and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Good for you, Mr Morgan. Not much point in having a discussion with ya. you were obviously never interested in one - Mike KB3EIA - _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in adavnce to agree with him Dan/W4NTI |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:37:41 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote: an_old_friend wrote: the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course There was no cell coverage in NO after Katrina hit. Text message uses the same cell towers as voice, if those systems are down, you don't text message either. In situations were the signal is spotty or week, text messages may get through when voice will not because the text messages are sent in short packets. Aw, don't confuse him with facts... -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mike Coslo wrote:
Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters? APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL RESPONSE TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE! And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the emergency network, eh? - Mike KB3EIA - And we have seen first hand several times lately just how great the cell phone network performs with all the cell towers out of service. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
|
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mike Coslo wrote:
I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
|
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey
wrote: wrote: Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get to and make a few calls. not accrdoing to MSNBC while the netwaork was not working for voice it was working for text according to MSNBC _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
an_old_friend wrote:
the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course There was no cell coverage in NO after Katrina hit. Text message uses the same cell towers as voice, if those systems are down, you don't text message either. In situations were the signal is spotty or week, text messages may get through when voice will not because the text messages are sent in short packets. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
LOL!! You need to save this, April 1st is still 5 1/2 months away!
"TOM" wrote in message ... To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
M. wrote: LOL!! You need to save this, April 1st is still 5 1/2 months away! Everybody's talking about pop music! "TOM" wrote in message ... To continue the thread... 'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch potatoes watch TV... http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm [snip] HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were unable to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result. What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution? "Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says Eric Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are millions of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public for camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received by the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in this emergency communication strategy." Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware to listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that." [snip] So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur community---lets see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy. TOM |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mike Coslo wrote: You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Sucks when people do that, doesn't it? |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote: Everybody is a LIAR and everybody is WRONG. My name is Markie. Hi Steve. Been mentoring Mark? |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
wrote in message oups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dr.Ace wrote in message ... SATERN = SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK http://www.satern.org/ What We Do Emergency communications etc. etc. ----------------------------------------- LAT exposé: "The Red Cross money pit" - The TRUTH at last!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/25/95628/8554 ----------------------------------------- It has always been my personal opinion that the Salvation Army is a MUCH better organization than the Red Cross / Red Crescent . Organizations like the Red Cross / Red Crescent have enormous overhead, including high-paid executives and posh offices. Ace - WH2T Sounds like an interesting group---I'll check them out. Yes... I often heard unfavorable remarks made about the Red Cross---especially from servicemen (including my father after the WWII) but consistent praise for the Salvation Army. I recall the Red Cross blood drives of 9/11---then blood thrown away because there were no storage facilities available; some doctors wondered why all the blood since there was no need for it. The story made the national news for a couple of days then forgotten. I hear good words about the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) as providing excellent service during disaster relief; however, I don't know of their communications needs. If the Red Cross is 'particular' then the heck with them; better to concentrate efforts elsewhere and make a good showing---the word will get out. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Dan/W4NTI wrote in message link.net... "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. Dan/W4NTI You incorrectly credit me as being the author of the eham.net article; however, I do share the same sentiments. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mike has rightly reached the same conclusion as the majority of posters in
these NG's. Ace - WH2T "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Snipped You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Good for you, Mr Morgan. Not much point in having a discussion with ya. - Mike KB3EIA - |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Jerk Factor = 100% TILT !!!!!!!
Ace - WH2T wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:22:50 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:32:01 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. liar You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, you did not voice an opinion you falsely stated that my post was unrelated and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Good for you, Mr Morgan. Not much point in having a discussion with ya. you were obviously never interested in one - Mike KB3EIA - _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mark = A brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Ace - WH2T wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: Everybody is a LIAR and everybody is WRONG. My name is Markie. Hi Steve. Been mentoring Mark? |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mark = (unknown species)
Ace - WH2T "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message m... wrote: you falsely stated that my post was unrelated Maybe he meant to say *you* are unrelated. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Sucks when Mark does that, doesn't it!
Ace - WH2T wrote in message oups.com... Mike Coslo wrote: You toss the "liar" pejorative around when someone voices an opinion, and you tell people to shut up when they express an opinion. Sucks when people do that, doesn't it? |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:17:13 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. meaning you are greing with me and Tom why is it ham hating if you say and ham hating if I do you also make my point no vital traffic can be passed by ham radio if it was not sent to ham radio I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. which brings you to stating the same thing I was I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. which is a dangerous state of affairs for one of the supports that we use in our spectrum battles but you were unwilling to even discuss such things Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. maybe we were maybe we were not, but it seems whatever the truth were not seen as ready willing and able, and the preception of the served agencies is more important than the reality. Exactly... the amateur service had an unprecedented golden opportunity for PR at New Orleans and they blew-it big time. Probably not so much from lack of interest by individual amateurs but from lack of leadership from the ARRL. Now it is seen the ARRL is trying to re-make the amateur service after the fact. The truth is the ARRL is more interested in running a business than promoting a service. For giggles... I'll say the shift in interest by the ARRL started when they changed the format of QST back in the 1970's. Remember how many of us remarked that QST didn't seem anything more that a radio catalog---and many of us dropped our subscription? Seriously, the ARRL hasn't done anything in recent times other than to publish which, in many cases, are nothing more that collections of QST articles. I do have a copy of, 'The ARRL Emergency Communication Handbook'---it should contain twice the present content. Nevertheless, I am happy to see discussion on the topic continue---especially if they are constructive comments. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:13 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
RadioBanter.com