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What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Mark - Don't poke the bear.
Ace - WH2T "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in adavnce to agree with him Dan/W4NTI |
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If you need critical information, just ask Mark.
Hell, He knows it all ! Ace - WH2T "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message m... Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. |
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CB'ers = SNAFU
For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... Snipped Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. In a case like Mark, is the benefit worth the expense. Short answer = NO . Ace = WH2T |
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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
Snipped who peed in your cherrois tonight Dan? Who peed in your (fill in the blank) tonight Mark ? Ace - WH2T |
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Mark = Dame Braimaged .
LOL Ace - WH2T wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:41:53 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: I don't talk with brain damaged idiots. I just comment about their dumb ass comments. Dan/W4NTI just brunign up with hate tonight I see Dan _________________________________________ |
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BITE ME
Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. |
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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
BITE ME Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. Blazing retort, spanky. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
I got your "food chain" hanging.
homo boi Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: BITE ME Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. Blazing retort, spanky. |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:25:17 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
wrote: Mark - Don't poke the bear. Ace - WH2T all the one liners Ace "an_old_friend" wrote in message roups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in adavnce to agree with him Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:04:26 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
wrote: I got your "food chain" hanging. homo boi Ace - WH2T Is Ace Stevie (k4yz ) as oposed to Steveo they sure use the same play book "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: BITE ME Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. Blazing retort, spanky. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:32:09 -0500, "Dr.Ace"
wrote: If you need critical information, just ask Mark. Hell, He knows it all ! Ace - WH2T why thank you Sir ( i was told that good manners alwasy required thanking someone for a compleienment) "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message om... Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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"Dr.Ace" wrote:
I got your "food chain" hanging. homo boi Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: BITE ME Ace - WH2T "Steveo" wrote in message ... "Dr.Ace" wrote: CB'ers = SNAFU For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term. Situation Normal All F***ed Up Ace - WH2T They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace. Blazing retort, spanky. When you can't lick em, homo-boi em, ace****. |
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From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 23 Oct 2005 10:19
wrote in message Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. Perhaps that is why the first two trans-continental attempts at early messaging across the USA broke down? They were "sponsored" by the ARRL. History. The ARRL doesn't like to talk of those early days much, though, so you have to go to Thomas White's Early US Radio History site to find out. :-) The formal message handling systems have these. Tell us all about it, Dee. I worked in that a mere 52 years ago. Professionally. On HF. We can compare notes... Tell us how the GMDSS works and all the "formality" and "word counts" apply to SOLAS. The FRS system does not. The Family Radio Service was NEVER envisioned as some kind of "message system." :-) The average pair of FRS transceivers (handheld) sold across the counter will reach out 1 to 5 miles (depending on terrain, etc.), ideal to keep track of family members at a large outing. Or a small one. :-) Did you think FRS handhelds have little "text" screens or sockets for keyboards, printers, etc.? :-) |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:19:47 -0400, "Dee Flint"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. but if no one can find the enterence points the system can work either Dan was quite spefic in saying Messages did not enter the NTS in any real numbers an adhoc system based on drawing togther FRS or CB's etc the message will degrade within them for the reasons you mention the question is will they get far enough to do some good or better still How Hams intergarte this capity and use it to allow the folks to reach them and then they can reach the either the NTS or local authorities that is why I think all hams realy ought to have a decent CB setup a radio and decent anttenas for FRS and idealy MURS radios (and amp to use in such an emergency as well as their ham station Dee D. Flint, N8UZE _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Of course you won't believe me, or anyone else. But the cell phone network
was down for the majority of New Orleans. I know people that went there to repair it. In fact some hams also helped repair the tower sites. Mostly getting antennas back in working shape, and getting batteries and/or generators up and running. As for why text gets through easier and better than voice. It's just like CW Markie, and if you understand that mode it would be easier for you to comprehend text vs voice on a cell system. But I'll try....It is a matter of bandwidth. Text uses and requires much less than voice does. Thus it has a much better chance of getting through. Even with marginal conditions and basically a cell phone user watching his "s meter" and finding a site to receive it. Sounds to me the ones that got through knew a little about signal propagation to me. Gee....do you think they were hams or had a ham nearby? Just a thought. Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: wrote: Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get to and make a few calls. not accrdoing to MSNBC while the netwaork was not working for voice it was working for text according to MSNBC _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in adavnce to agree with him Dan/W4NTI Oh gee Markie.....what is the reason text made it through? You can read the post I just made to get the answer. Dan/W4NTI |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Exactly correct Dee. Here is something I made up years ago. "It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends" A slight addition would be "trained operator" Dan/W4NTI |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. Why throw away that capability (HF) to put all the eggs in a repeater system that can, does and likely will fail when most needed. Furthermore I am trying to show you that once communications is established, ham, FRS, CB, GMRS, whatever then how is this link sent further down the line? Such as what happened recently on the Gulf Coast. I.E. Red Cross requests amateur radio assistance. Hundreds go to their help. They say we only want you for "shelter communications". VHF will do fine. NO WAY TO PASS IT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE as in ....how to get commo from Montgomery Red Cross to the shelters and back? Ham Radio High Frequency on the ESTABLISHED ARRL National Traffic System nets. Which were ready, willing, and able to do so. It is NOT Amateur radios fault that the Red Cross apparently chose to sit on their hands and NOT UTILIZE the system. Dan/W4NTI |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message m... TOM wrote: I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Try turning your receiver on next time, I heard lots of H&W traffic during Katrina and Rita. I think he will respond with "not on the National Traffic System". And he would be right. I heard lots of "traffic" on the designated emergency nets. Although most of that was not formatted properly (as in NTS format). who peed in your cherrois tonight Dan? Dan/W4NTI You and your ignorant attitude Markie. Read your own posts. Everyone is wrong and everyone is a liar. When indeed it is YOU that is wrong. Then you come back with oh no your wrong. It goes on and on. You don't debate Markie you MIMICK and I for one am real sick of it. Some of us actually want to discuss things of value to Amateur Radio. What the hell your doing is certainly NOT that. Dan/W4NTI |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:17:13 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. meaning you are greing with me and Tom why is it ham hating if you say and ham hating if I do you also make my point no vital traffic can be passed by ham radio if it was not sent to ham radio I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. which brings you to stating the same thing I was I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. which is a dangerous state of affairs for one of the supports that we use in our spectrum battles but you were unwilling to even discuss such things Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. maybe we were maybe we were not, but it seems whatever the truth were not seen as ready willing and able, and the preception of the served agencies is more important than the reality. Exactly... the amateur service had an unprecedented golden opportunity for PR at New Orleans and they blew-it big time. Probably not so much from lack of interest by individual amateurs but from lack of leadership from the ARRL. Now it is seen the ARRL is trying to re-make the amateur service after the fact. The truth is the ARRL is more interested in running a business than promoting a service. For giggles... I'll say the shift in interest by the ARRL started when they changed the format of QST back in the 1970's. Remember how many of us remarked that QST didn't seem anything more that a radio catalog---and many of us dropped our subscription? Seriously, the ARRL hasn't done anything in recent times other than to publish which, in many cases, are nothing more that collections of QST articles. I do have a copy of, 'The ARRL Emergency Communication Handbook'---it should contain twice the present content. Nevertheless, I am happy to see discussion on the topic continue---especially if they are constructive comments. \ I don't agree that it is/was a failure with or from the ARRL. The ARRL National Traffic System was and is STILL running. I operate it every single day and evening. I know what it does or doesn't do. I believe it is the RED CROSS that is behind this non use of a resource. I personally delivered several immediate notifications to families that their people were alive. Nothing more. At my expense on the phone. I was just a small cog in a large wheel. And these DID NOT COME FROM THE RED CROSS. They came from the BAPTIST Church group that was in Biloxi feeding thousands per day. And in between were able to send out some messages. I can't describe how grateful these people were. Can you imagine what publicity Ham Radio COULD HAVE RECEIVED if the RED CROSS would have allowed the MOSTLY IDLE operators at the shelters to send out HW traffic? Don't tell me the ARRL dropped the ball. It was the RED CROSS. Dan/W4NTI |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... Dr.Ace wrote in message ... SATERN = SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK http://www.satern.org/ What We Do Emergency communications etc. etc. ----------------------------------------- LAT exposé: "The Red Cross money pit" - The TRUTH at last!!! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/25/95628/8554 ----------------------------------------- It has always been my personal opinion that the Salvation Army is a MUCH better organization than the Red Cross / Red Crescent . Organizations like the Red Cross / Red Crescent have enormous overhead, including high-paid executives and posh offices. Ace - WH2T Sounds like an interesting group---I'll check them out. Yes... I often heard unfavorable remarks made about the Red Cross---especially from servicemen (including my father after the WWII) but consistent praise for the Salvation Army. I recall the Red Cross blood drives of 9/11---then blood thrown away because there were no storage facilities available; some doctors wondered why all the blood since there was no need for it. The story made the national news for a couple of days then forgotten. I hear good words about the Church of the Latter Day Saints (Mormons) as providing excellent service during disaster relief; however, I don't know of their communications needs. If the Red Cross is 'particular' then the heck with them; better to concentrate efforts elsewhere and make a good showing---the word will get out. Thats right Tom. You hit it right on the head mate. Dan/W4NTI |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message link.net... "TOM" wrote in message ... The future of the National Traffic System http://www.eham.net/articles/12198 [snip] For those of you who may not know, the National Traffic System (NTS) consists of a carefully choreographed collection of section, region, and area nets designed to relay messages throughout the US. In a sense it's the second "R" in ARRL. NTS has a long and honorable history and has some of the best operators in the world as its membership. The recent hurricane season has raised serious doubts for me about the role that NTS plays in the current ham-radio environment. I did not hear a single health-and-welfare message during the disasters. In bygone times, NTS would have been buzzing with activity. [snip] Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. Dan/W4NTI You incorrectly credit me as being the author of the eham.net article; however, I do share the same sentiments. You seem like a reasonable man Tom. I am sure you will see that it was not the HAMS, or the ARRL that were the problem. It was/is the Red Cross. Dan/W4NTI |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:39 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: Of course you won't believe me, or anyone else. But the cell phone network was down for the majority of New Orleans. I know people that went there to repair it. I would believe some trust worthy In fact some hams also helped repair the tower sites. Mostly getting antennas back in working shape, and getting batteries and/or generators up and running. As for why text gets through easier and better than voice. It's just like CW Markie, and if you understand that mode it would be easier for you to comprehend text vs voice on a cell system. shove your condesntion asshole I know why it get though the system better when the system is under stress if you you would read you would know I was never confused on the issue however the fact text was getting if very slwoly through much of the city shows the network was not completely down, just damaged and over loaded and in need of repair to restore full utily of the system cuting snid remarks Dan/W4NTI wrote in message .. . On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: wrote: Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get to and make a few calls. not accrdoing to MSNBC while the netwaork was not working for voice it was working for text according to MSNBC _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:40 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message roups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... an_old_friend wrote: a decent case can be made that the USA should sell of all ham VHF/UHF spectrum and use the money to build more redunacy in to the cell tower network so at text will get through no matter what Unrelated. Ignorant, and ridiculous. Typical Markie. typical Danny boy no content just dismiss anything outside his horizion the cell phone kept carry text message though out Katrina and the after math recharging cell phone batteries became a challange but the are ways of course but then Danny has never wanted to take part in any discussion where he does set the ground rules one of which is that everyone must agree in adavnce to agree with him Dan/W4NTI Oh gee Markie.....what is the reason text made it through? You can read the post I just made to get the answer. becuase the system was not completely down that is the reason it got though as to why it got through better than voice I knew that too Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:42 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Exactly correct Dee. Here is something I made up years ago. "It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends" A slight addition would be "trained operator" wrong agian Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. then why did it not carry it according to you cut _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Dan/W4NTI wrote in message .net... "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. Why throw away that capability (HF) to put all the eggs in a repeater system that can, does and likely will fail when most needed. Furthermore I am trying to show you that once communications is established, ham, FRS, CB, GMRS, whatever then how is this link sent further down the line? Such as what happened recently on the Gulf Coast. I.E. Red Cross requests amateur radio assistance. Hundreds go to their help. They say we only want you for "shelter communications". VHF will do fine. NO WAY TO PASS IT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE as in ....how to get commo from Montgomery Red Cross to the shelters and back? Ham Radio High Frequency on the ESTABLISHED ARRL National Traffic System nets. Which were ready, willing, and able to do so. It is NOT Amateur radios fault that the Red Cross apparently chose to sit on their hands and NOT UTILIZE the system. Dan/W4NTI You make valid points... Why is amateur radio so dependent upon the Red Cross? Heck, looking back over my ham experience seemingly all the Red Cross provided was a place to put a repeater and have emergency power. To be honest... the Red Cross screwed us in NO---perhaps we had an image that was lacking. In that case we ought to provide a service to some other organization/s. I don't know where the future lies for the amateur service. The numbers (of hams) just don't stack up against the numbers that can be equipped with license free radios or radios that require a simple operating permit. You can be sure if non-hams can get organized and provide a needed service an important part of what justifies the amateur service will no longer exist with the consequence that any leadership roles provided by the amateur service will evaporate. Perhaps this will happen anyway. We've watched the amateur service slowly being de-regulated. A time may come where present day Amateur, FRS, MURS, GMRS... will all become part of, say, the 'citizens communications service'. You mention HF allocations as being a strong point for the amateur service; however, I don't think that long haul communications are necessary for the bulk of emergency communications---these disasters are local in scope. To my way of thinking if anyone needs to communicate over long distances it will be primary relief organizations and they can do that over satellite or their own HF networks, besides, landlines generally remain intact---providing an access point somewhere. I find the Australian VKS-737 an interesting example of what non-hams (CB) can do with five HF channels http://www.vks737.on.net/ . Additionally, my experiences in the Caribbean have made me become aware of how non-hams, who are boaters, can create highly organized and effective communications networks using the HF maritime allocations. Discussion on the topic can hurt. |
What Amateur Radio Emergency Communications?
"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message hlink.net... "TOM" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:17:13 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: Tom, I hate to break your ham hating crusade but the NTS can't run any traffic, if none is sent to it. meaning you are greing with me and Tom why is it ham hating if you say and ham hating if I do you also make my point no vital traffic can be passed by ham radio if it was not sent to ham radio I had the exact same complaint. I did manage to handle a few messages, but NOTHING like I was expecting. which brings you to stating the same thing I was I have since found that the American Red Cross, for WHATEVER REASON decided that ham radio was not good enough to use. Other than for a VHF Telephone network between shelters that is. which is a dangerous state of affairs for one of the supports that we use in our spectrum battles but you were unwilling to even discuss such things Not our bad Tom. We were there, ready, willing, and able. maybe we were maybe we were not, but it seems whatever the truth were not seen as ready willing and able, and the preception of the served agencies is more important than the reality. Exactly... the amateur service had an unprecedented golden opportunity for PR at New Orleans and they blew-it big time. Probably not so much from lack of interest by individual amateurs but from lack of leadership from the ARRL. Now it is seen the ARRL is trying to re-make the amateur service after the fact. The truth is the ARRL is more interested in running a business than promoting a service. For giggles... I'll say the shift in interest by the ARRL started when they changed the format of QST back in the 1970's. Remember how many of us remarked that QST didn't seem anything more that a radio catalog---and many of us dropped our subscription? Seriously, the ARRL hasn't done anything in recent times other than to publish which, in many cases, are nothing more that collections of QST articles. I do have a copy of, 'The ARRL Emergency Communication Handbook'---it should contain twice the present content. Nevertheless, I am happy to see discussion on the topic continue---especially if they are constructive comments. \ I don't agree that it is/was a failure with or from the ARRL. The ARRL National Traffic System was and is STILL running. I operate it every single day and evening. I know what it does or doesn't do. I believe it is the RED CROSS that is behind this non use of a resource. I personally delivered several immediate notifications to families that their people were alive. Nothing more. At my expense on the phone. I was just a small cog in a large wheel. And these DID NOT COME FROM THE RED CROSS. They came from the BAPTIST Church group that was in Biloxi feeding thousands per day. And in between were able to send out some messages. I can't describe how grateful these people were. Can you imagine what publicity Ham Radio COULD HAVE RECEIVED if the RED CROSS would have allowed the MOSTLY IDLE operators at the shelters to send out HW traffic? Don't tell me the ARRL dropped the ball. It was the RED CROSS. Dan/W4NTI Amen brother ! Ace - WH2T |
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Un Trustworthy eh? Beats the hell out of being a fagot and a child molester
though don't it? You piece of garbage. Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:39 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: Of course you won't believe me, or anyone else. But the cell phone network was down for the majority of New Orleans. I know people that went there to repair it. I would believe some trust worthy In fact some hams also helped repair the tower sites. Mostly getting antennas back in working shape, and getting batteries and/or generators up and running. As for why text gets through easier and better than voice. It's just like CW Markie, and if you understand that mode it would be easier for you to comprehend text vs voice on a cell system. shove your condesntion asshole I know why it get though the system better when the system is under stress if you you would read you would know I was never confused on the issue however the fact text was getting if very slwoly through much of the city shows the network was not completely down, just damaged and over loaded and in need of repair to restore full utily of the system cuting snid remarks Dan/W4NTI wrote in message . .. On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0700, Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: wrote: Cell phone does indeed show signs of being usable as a true emergency network How? The entire cell network was down in NO. The only way to get cell coverage there was out on some remote point a few people managed to get to and make a few calls. not accrdoing to MSNBC while the netwaork was not working for voice it was working for text according to MSNBC _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:42 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners. When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination. So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct? Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice? No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does not. Dee D. Flint, N8UZE Exactly correct Dee. Here is something I made up years ago. "It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends" A slight addition would be "trained operator" wrong agian Dan/W4NTI Every body is wrong except Mikey. Everyone is a liar except Mikey. Hey Mikey if you dont keep your lights on at night. START. Dan/W4NTI |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. then why did it not carry it according to you cut Whats the matter? You too stupid to read. That has already been responded to. You fagot jerk. Dan/W4NTI |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:29:44 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: Un Trustworthy eh? Beats the hell out of being a fagot and a child molester though don't it? You piece of garbage. Dan what do you expect to be called other than a bigot when you use such language? I am not a child molestor I am bisexual you are clearly untrustworthy when you believe that the one equates to the other makes it hard to rely on anything you say when you spout **** like that Dan/W4NTI wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:39 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:31:18 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:42 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... cut "It takes two things to communicate, an operator at both ends" A slight addition would be "trained operator" wrong agian Dan/W4NTI Every body is wrong except Mikey. Everyone is a liar except Mikey. Hey Mikey if you dont keep your lights on at night. START. more threats Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:32:33 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:59:43 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI" wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... cut Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. then why did it not carry it according to you cut Whats the matter? You too stupid to read. That has already been responded to. You fagot jerk. if you want (or if you don't want )as you seem to I can bring a nice sample of your recent and past behavoir to the FBI no extra trouble really Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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"TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message .net... "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message ink.net... [snip] I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff. One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid. Dan/W4NTI It's already being done... CERT http://training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/CERT/ communities are using FRS to organize their efforts in reponse to disaster preparedness or simply community watch and its working quite well. The idea that a ham is needed to supply communications is somewhat outdated---hams have out-geeked themselves. If a CERT member has a radio that doesn't work just throw it away and get another. What really matters is organization and team skills and communities have plenty of indviduals professionally trained in all manner of skills besides a token ham or two. Some CERT teams are guarded about disclosing their capabilities and SOP... Besides, who's to say that repeaters won't become available to extend the range of FRS radios---if there is a need anything is possible. What about GMRS? Take a look at what the Aussies have done with their UHF CB allocations http://www.alphalink.com.au/~parkerp/cb.htm The issue with the future of FRS-type communications should be carefully considered. I think that amateur long-haul coms are becoming less important compared to short range communications networks---especially within communties. Considering the ease of getting FRS communications the amateur service has little to offer---unless amateurs can re-invent themselves. Maybe... just maybe... stupid can be fixed. There is nothing at all wrong with using FRS, GMRS or any of the citizen accessible radio systems. But there is NO REASON to re-invent the wheel. Ham radio can and does provide long haul and short haul communications. Why throw away that capability (HF) to put all the eggs in a repeater system that can, does and likely will fail when most needed. Furthermore I am trying to show you that once communications is established, ham, FRS, CB, GMRS, whatever then how is this link sent further down the line? Such as what happened recently on the Gulf Coast. I.E. Red Cross requests amateur radio assistance. Hundreds go to their help. They say we only want you for "shelter communications". VHF will do fine. NO WAY TO PASS IT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE as in ....how to get commo from Montgomery Red Cross to the shelters and back? Ham Radio High Frequency on the ESTABLISHED ARRL National Traffic System nets. Which were ready, willing, and able to do so. It is NOT Amateur radios fault that the Red Cross apparently chose to sit on their hands and NOT UTILIZE the system. Dan/W4NTI You make valid points... Why is amateur radio so dependent upon the Red Cross? Heck, looking back over my ham experience seemingly all the Red Cross provided was a place to put a repeater and have emergency power. To be honest... the Red Cross screwed us in NO---perhaps we had an image that was lacking. \ I don't know what the problem is with the Red Cross. But I remember about 20 years ago that the local club and the Red Cross seperated. Also about that time, I believe Birmingham Al club did also. We ended affiliating with the Salvation Army. At that point I moved out of the area and lost track of clubs and such. I talked with the ARRL on the subject. And there IS a memorandum of understanding. Apparantly most to all at RC don't read or are unable to comprehend. OR are just plain ignorant. Take your pick. Bottom line is THEY dropped the ball. In that case we ought to provide a service to some other organization/s. I don't know where the future lies for the amateur service. The numbers (of hams) just don't stack up against the numbers that can be equipped with license free radios or radios that require a simple operating permit. You can be sure if non-hams can get organized and provide a needed service an important part of what justifies the amateur service will no longer exist with the consequence that any leadership roles provided by the amateur service will evaporate. A lot of hams are doing just that. SATERN seems to be the choice. And of course the ARRL ARES setup. Perhaps this will happen anyway. We've watched the amateur service slowly being de-regulated. A time may come where present day Amateur, FRS, MURS, GMRS... will all become part of, say, the 'citizens communications service'. You mention HF allocations as being a strong point for the amateur service; however, I don't think that long haul communications are necessary for the bulk of emergency communications---these disasters are local in scope. Katrina changed that mind set Tom. HF provided a very important role in establishing workable commo. I spent a good week either being directly involved or monitoring HF networks on various bands. I will elaborate on the Alabama connection to it all. We operated mainly on our normal net frequency of 3965. Also on 40 meters individual operators helped out on various 40 meter frequencies. Not immediatly but very soon after the magnitude was determined on the massive damage the Red Cross established via AMATEUR RADIO operators, under the ARRL Section Manager, Greg W4OZK a network linking the shelters in the disaster area with Red Cross Headquarters in Montgomery. HF Ham stations were co-located in shelters and Red Cross areas in the disaster area. Most of the intercommunication was done on 75 and 40 meters. I think you will see a change of the attitude that keeps communications needs to a local area. It may NOT be needed too often. But it does need to be planned and TRAINED for. That is what the National Traffic System should be oriented towards now a days. Just my opinion there Tom. To my way of thinking if anyone needs to communicate over long distances it will be primary relief organizations and they can do that over satellite or their own HF networks, besides, landlines generally remain intact---providing an access point somewhere. But Tom there WAS nothing that worked. As Hams like to keep reminding everyone....We are the backup system. When everything else fails, ham radio will be able to communicate. Not because it is so structured. But just the opposite...because it is NOT so structured, restricted or controlled. The FCC had to issue blanket approvals for the commercial folks to even attempt to inter-link and communicate. All the hams needed was to know where they were needed. And thats the facts. I find the Australian VKS-737 an interesting example of what non-hams (CB) can do with five HF channels http://www.vks737.on.net/ . Additionally, my experiences in the Caribbean have made me become aware of how non-hams, who are boaters, can create highly organized and effective communications networks using the HF maritime allocations. Discussion on the topic can hurt. I'll read about that Australian thing. I had not heard of it till now. And tell us of the Caribbean experiences. I am open to any and all good thought on how to make EMCOM work better. Except from that nitwit Markie that is. Dan/W4NTI |
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:52:17 GMT, "Dan/W4NTI"
wrote: "TOM" wrote in message ... Dan/W4NTI wrote in message .net... cut It is NOT Amateur radios fault that the Red Cross apparently chose to sit on their hands and NOT UTILIZE the system. Dan/W4NTI You make valid points... Why is amateur radio so dependent upon the Red Cross? Heck, looking back over my ham experience seemingly all the Red Cross provided was a place to put a repeater and have emergency power. To be honest... the Red Cross screwed us in NO---perhaps we had an image that was lacking. \ I don't know what the problem is with the Red Cross. But I remember about 20 years ago that the local club and the Red Cross seperated. Also about that time, I believe Birmingham Al club did also. We ended affiliating with the Salvation Army. At that point I moved out of the area and lost track of clubs and such. I talked with the ARRL on the subject. And there IS a memorandum of understanding. Apparantly most to all at RC don't read or are unable to comprehend. OR are just plain ignorant. Take your pick. Bottom line is THEY dropped the ball. taking about the Red Croos in such terms as you use above as of course sure to endear the ARS to them, even if the words were valid guess you missed any lession concerning the word "Tact" In that case we ought to provide a service to some other organization/s. I don't know where the future lies for the amateur service. The numbers (of hams) just don't stack up against the numbers that can be equipped with license free radios or radios that require a simple operating permit. You can be sure if non-hams can get organized and provide a needed service an important part of what justifies the amateur service will no longer exist with the consequence that any leadership roles provided by the amateur service will evaporate. A lot of hams are doing just that. SATERN seems to be the choice. And of course the ARRL ARES setup. Perhaps this will happen anyway. We've watched the amateur service slowly being de-regulated. A time may come where present day Amateur, FRS, MURS, GMRS... will all become part of, say, the 'citizens communications service'. You mention HF allocations as being a strong point for the amateur service; however, I don't think that long haul communications are necessary for the bulk of emergency communications---these disasters are local in scope. Katrina changed that mind set Tom. HF provided a very important role in establishing workable commo. I spent a good week either being directly involved or monitoring HF networks on various bands. I will elaborate on the Alabama connection to it all. We operated mainly on our normal net frequency of 3965. Also on 40 meters individual operators helped out on various 40 meter frequencies. Not immediatly but very soon after the magnitude was determined on the massive damage the Red Cross established via AMATEUR RADIO operators, under the ARRL Section Manager, Greg W4OZK a network linking the shelters in the disaster area with Red Cross Headquarters in Montgomery. HF Ham stations were co-located in shelters and Red Cross areas in the disaster area. Most of the intercommunication was done on 75 and 40 meters. I think you will see a change of the attitude that keeps communications needs to a local area. It may NOT be needed too often. But it does need to be planned and TRAINED for. That is what the National Traffic System should be oriented towards now a days. Just my opinion there Tom. To my way of thinking if anyone needs to communicate over long distances it will be primary relief organizations and they can do that over satellite or their own HF networks, besides, landlines generally remain intact---providing an access point somewhere. But Tom there WAS nothing that worked. As Hams like to keep reminding everyone....We are the backup system. When everything else fails, ham radio will be able to communicate. Not because it is so structured. But just the opposite...because it is NOT so structured, restricted or controlled. could you make up you mind? The FCC had to issue blanket approvals for the commercial folks to even attempt to inter-link and communicate. of course because the copertypes are afraid to move without premission a mistsep could cost the abilty to legaly use the stuff they have spent such capital on All the hams needed was to know where they were needed. And thats the facts. I find the Australian VKS-737 an interesting example of what non-hams (CB) can do with five HF channels http://www.vks737.on.net/ . Additionally, my experiences in the Caribbean have made me become aware of how non-hams, who are boaters, can create highly organized and effective communications networks using the HF maritime allocations. Discussion on the topic can hurt. I'll read about that Australian thing. I had not heard of it till now. And tell us of the Caribbean experiences. I am open to any and all good thought on how to make EMCOM work better. Except from that nitwit Markie that is. will prehaps I should not chide for being inconsistant Dan Dan/W4NTI _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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Aww, poor Marky, he sees "threats" everywhere he looks. So insecure and
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